Re: [LINK] Wireless Broadband for Regional Australia

2013-12-30 Thread David Boxall
On 30/12/2013 10:55 AM, Jan Whitaker wrote: ... did they just do this on the back of an envelope? ... From what I see, that would have been an improvement. Development of the current proposal seems to have started with the outcome and worked back from there. As a rural, though not

Re: [LINK] Wireless Broadband for Regional Australia

2013-12-29 Thread Tom Worthington
On 28/12/13 17:41, Richard responded to my posting of 28/12/13: ... anywhere genuinely fast connections are available, and people subscribe to them like mad? Good question. Does anyone have statistics for the take-up rate for high speed broadband in other countries? The take-up rate for the

Re: [LINK] Wireless Broadband for Regional Australia

2013-12-29 Thread Jan Whitaker
At 10:27 AM 30/12/2013, Tom Worthington wrote: Australia now has free Internet access in public libraries, which is an achievement. ... So what? QOS is bad. The problem is contention for bandwidth in those places and lack of trained IT staff. Neither come cheap to provide. Our library does

Re: [LINK] Wireless Broadband for Regional Australia

2013-12-27 Thread Tom Worthington
On 26/12/13 13:54, Frank O'Connor wrote: ... Factor in Super High Res TV ... With advanced video compression 4K TV can be carried on existing free-to-air TV spectrum and wireless broadband. home care/monitoring/treatment of the elderly and infirm ... Home health care doesn't need high

Re: [LINK] Wireless Broadband for Regional Australia

2013-12-27 Thread Richard
[snip] ... Don't let yourself suffer from a failure of imagination Proposing more bandwidth does not take a lot of imagination. What takes imagination is coming up with credible uses for high speed broadband, or at least ones where someone is willing to pay for. How do you reconcile that

Re: [LINK] Wireless Broadband for Regional Australia

2013-12-26 Thread Frank O'Connor
Well, yeah ... but: 1. The original NBN design specified that the 7% of Australia not covered by the FTTP would be covered by a mixture of satellite and/or fixed WiFi. They didn't really mean conventional wireless or WiFi however, they meant 4G. 2, The guaranteed MINIMUM speed for any of

Re: [LINK] Wireless Broadband for Regional Australia

2013-12-26 Thread Jan Whitaker
At 07:26 PM 26/12/2013, Frank O'Connor wrote: That is now unlikely to happen, and that's what I still see as the tragedy of my generation. We're selfish shortsighted users rather than builders ... as I said. Not quite everyone, Frank, or else NBN Mark I wouldn't have been on offer at all.

Re: [LINK] Wireless Broadband for Regional Australia

2013-12-26 Thread Frank O'Connor
Yeah Jan, The NBN was the one thing that my generation could have passed down to others ... our one legacy if you like. We've failed on the big things, I can't think of a single major infrastructure project we've actually initiated in the last 30 years. We've talked about a lot, but we can't

Re: [LINK] Wireless Broadband for Regional Australia

2013-12-26 Thread Janet Hawtin
yup.. 64 here and feel the same ___ Link mailing list Link@mailman.anu.edu.au http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link

Re: [LINK] Wireless Broadband for Regional Australia

2013-12-26 Thread Janet Hawtin
The infrastructure we have now for roads, power, sewage, water, phone, rail. It was established looking forwards. We have not moved onwards from that investment. How much of that infrastructure is still shiny where you are? If kids could talk about connectivity and what they imagined it might be

Re: [LINK] Wireless Broadband for Regional Australia

2013-12-26 Thread stephen
Janet writes, yup.. 64 here and feel the same True in major infrastructure terms, many would agree you're right Frank. However, in terms of social organization, Australia has come a long way. Many might agree Australia has built a well functioning, and, reasonably safe, multi-layered,

Re: [LINK] Wireless Broadband for Regional Australia

2013-12-26 Thread Richard
On 26/12/13 9:12 AM, Tom Worthington wrote: On 23/12/13 10:39, Paul Brooks wrote: ... Mobile wireless broadband stats are counting USB dongles, pocket cellular/Wifi routers, and dedicated data-only SIMs ... It is not valid to intercompare the mobile broadband and fixed broadband stats in a

Re: [LINK] Wireless Broadband for Regional Australia

2013-12-25 Thread Tom Worthington
On 23/12/13 10:39, Paul Brooks wrote: ... Mobile wireless broadband stats are counting USB dongles, pocket cellular/Wifi routers, and dedicated data-only SIMs ... It is not valid to intercompare the mobile broadband and fixed broadband stats in a meaningful way ... If we want to make

Re: [LINK] Wireless Broadband for Regional Australia

2013-12-25 Thread Frank O'Connor
Hope I'm not intruding: On 26 Dec 2013, at 9:12 am, Tom Worthington tom.worthing...@tomw.net.au wrote: On 23/12/13 10:39, Paul Brooks wrote: ... Mobile wireless broadband stats are counting USB dongles, pocket cellular/Wifi routers, and dedicated data-only SIMs ... It is not valid to

Re: [LINK] Wireless Broadband for Regional Australia

2013-12-22 Thread Paul Brooks
On 21/12/2013 8:53 AM, Tom Worthington wrote: On 20/12/13 13:27, Paul Brooks wrote: ... the initial assumption (most people are accessing their broadband via WiFi and Mobile Broadband) is an incorrect starting point. ... The ABS reported that at the end of June 2013 mobile wireless broadband

Re: [LINK] Wireless Broadband for Regional Australia

2013-12-20 Thread Tom Worthington
On 20/12/13 13:27, Paul Brooks wrote: ... the initial assumption (most people are accessing their broadband via WiFi and Mobile Broadband) is an incorrect starting point. ... The ABS reported that at the end of June 2013 mobile wireless broadband was the most prevalent internet technology in

Re: [LINK] Wireless Broadband for Regional Australia

2013-12-20 Thread Jan Whitaker
At 08:53 AM 21/12/2013, Tom Worthington wrote: Provided the cost is not significantly higher, I can't see why people would want to access different devices, servers and content at home, to the ones they use when out and about. It's not a matter of what one wants to connect to from home or

Re: [LINK] Wireless Broadband for Regional Australia

2013-12-19 Thread Tom Worthington
On 18/12/13 11:40, Paul Brooks wrote: ... FTTdp model in the Strategic Review ... distribution point) is a pit at the bottom of the driveway - or more likely, attached to the side of a nearby power pole ... If most householders are accessing their broadband via WiFi and Mobile Broadband,

[LINK] Wireless Broadband for Regional Australia

2013-12-17 Thread Tom Worthington
Gabrielle Chan reports in NBN trounced by regional offering from locals with an eye for enterprise (The Guardian, 16 December 2013), about wireless broadband being offered in the town of Harden in New South Wales:

Re: [LINK] Wireless Broadband for Regional Australia

2013-12-17 Thread Paul Brooks
On 18/12/2013 10:53 AM, Tom Worthington wrote: The major cost with FTTP is running the cable from street to the home, with FTTN, is installing new cabinets in the street and reconnecting all the copper cables to it. However, an alternative would be to install the optical fibre in the