I got unsubscribed...

2003-01-14 Thread Jay Maynard
...because my mailer rejects any messages with a character set of BIG5, EUC-KR, or KS_C_5601-1987. I got three of those in the past few days. Those character sets are for Chinese and Korean, languages I (and, I suspect most folks on this list) can't even display correctly, much less read. (I read

Re: I got unsubscribed...

2003-01-14 Thread Joe Poole
Jay, It's possible that you are the innocent victim of one of those worms loose in the world these days (Klez, Sobig, Naith or Lirva). They randomly pick a message, attach you as the to, and some other random name as the from, and confuse the heck out of everyone. I didn't receive those you

Re: I got unsubscribed...

2003-01-14 Thread David Andrews
On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 09:02, Jay Maynard wrote: I don't believe people should be sending mail to the list in [Asian] sets, and I do not believe the list should be passing them through to users. Have to part company with you, Jay. (What a surprise! I'm going to have a HEART ATTACK from being

Re: I got unsubscribed...

2003-01-14 Thread Phil Payne
Subject: I got unsubscribed... People have been unsubscribed before, for reasons that no one ever had the guts to admit. However - back on charter - IBM has just made an interesting and quite apposite announcement: 203001 IBM Application Workload Modeler for Linux on zSeries

Re: I got unsubscribed...

2003-01-14 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 08:02:46AM -0600, Jay Maynard wrote: ...because my mailer rejects any messages with a character set of BIG5, EUC-KR, or KS_C_5601-1987. I got three of those in the past few days. The right thing to do is to accept these messages and discard them, rather than returning

Re: I got unsubscribed...

2003-01-14 Thread A. Harry Williams
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:15:40 -0600 Jay Maynard said: On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 10:52:40AM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 08:02:46AM -0600, Jay Maynard wrote: ...because my mailer rejects any messages with a character set of BIG5, EUC-KR, or KS_C_5601-1987. I got three of

Re: I got unsubscribed...

2003-01-14 Thread A. Harry Williams
On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:03:19 +0100 Phil Payne said: Subject: I got unsubscribed... People have been unsubscribed before, for reasons that no one ever had the guts to admit. Not on this list. If I do it, I'll admit to it. Generally it is bounces or out of office messages. I've never done

OT: I got unsubscribed...

2003-01-14 Thread David Andrews
On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 11:15, Jay Maynard wrote: I don't generate bounces; I reject them during the SMTP transaction. Which is likely to cause a bounce message to be sent to somebody, no? I would argue that sending traffic in a character set that almost nobody can display properly is just

Re: I got unsubscribed...

2003-01-14 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 10:15:40AM -0600, Jay Maynard wrote: On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 10:52:40AM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: The right thing to do is to accept these messages and discard them, rather than returning an error. That way you don't get unsubscribed from anything, and you also

Re: I got unsubscribed...

2003-01-14 Thread Jay Maynard
On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 11:30:53AM -0500, A. Harry Williams wrote: On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:15:40 -0600 Jay Maynard said: I don't generate bounces; I reject them during the SMTP transaction. with what reason code? 55x? Yes. Specifically, I have the following in my /etc/postfix/header_checks

Re: I got unsubscribed...

2003-01-14 Thread David Boyes
I don't generate bounces; I reject them during the SMTP transaction. Which ultimately generates a bounce when the sending system times out the retry interval on a completely legitimate, deliverable message. Not good for connectivity or interoperability. I can whitelist the linux-390 mailing

Re: I got unsubscribed...

2003-01-14 Thread Gregg C Levine
got unsubscribed... On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 11:30:53AM -0500, A. Harry Williams wrote: On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:15:40 -0600 Jay Maynard said: I don't generate bounces; I reject them during the SMTP transaction. with what reason code? 55x? Yes. Specifically, I have the following in my /etc

Re: I got unsubscribed...

2003-01-14 Thread David Boyes
Some smart mailers (like mutt and pine ;-) ) use ASCII if the message does not contain any non-ASCII chars. I'm not sure about mozilla. But I think it doesn't. Anyway, I believe that non of the MS mailers do. The MS mailers switch to a weird (and visually ugly) UTF-8 font that has the Roman

Re: I got unsubscribed...

2003-01-14 Thread David Boyes
Harry, is it possible to have the MTA, check the character set setting for the messages, and reset the specific ones back to the normal settings? How? I don't know. You could recode it in the MTA, but to what? US ASCII doesn't have enough code points to handle Mandarin, and you would