Re: IBM pricing (was URGENT! really low performance. A related question...)

2003-02-20 Thread Stephen Y. Odo
On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:41:05 -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote: I don't really want to defend IBM pricing, but gross margin is not the same as profit. It is much more expensive per customer to maintain software that has a small installed base than software that has a large installed base. The number

Re: IBM pricing (was URGENT! really low performance. A related question...)

2003-02-20 Thread Ronald Wells
They should follow what Gate's did in the beginning---give it away and nail ya later on Maint./upgrades. But then again how about IBM doing something really strange ... listen to customers getting nailed on all the pricing by third part vendors as well as IBM because it is a MAINFRAME ...guess it

Re: IBM pricing (was URGENT! really low performance. A related question...)

2003-02-20 Thread Fargusson.Alan
(or maybe even lower). You have a good point though. -Original Message- From: Stephen Y. Odo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 1:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IBM pricing (was URGENT! really low performance. A related question...) On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:41

Re: IBM pricing (was URGENT! really low performance. A related question...)

2003-02-20 Thread Joe Poole
To a degree, IBM has listened to us. Look at the product mix that has appeared recently, generally at lesser cost: File Manager, Fault Analyzer, CICS/PM, RMF/PM (for Linux, too), DB2 Utilities Suite, etc. If you get weary of the constant contract negotiations, you can usually find something

Re: IBM pricing (was URGENT! really low performance. A related question...)

2003-02-20 Thread Ronald Wells
Unfortunatly still alot to go ... still being hammered to justify any upgrades and yes third party products not making it easy nor are the smaller server groups . Yes I gree it is getting better and IBM offering more -- but not enough and becoming too short on delivery .. cost of owner ship still

Re: IBM pricing (was URGENT! really low performance. A related question...)

2003-02-20 Thread John Summerfield
On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:41:05 -0800, Fargusson.Alan wrote: I don't really want to defend IBM pricing, but gross margin is not the same as profit. It is much more expensive per customer to maintain software that has a small installed base than software that has a large installed base. The