Re: linux swap to dcss?

2004-11-19 Thread Rod Furey
Bill Bitner said: ... many things ... I'd completely ignore this post. It's obviously a forgery and can't possibly be from who it's supposed to be. After all, it doesn't have the words it depends in it. Rod (cough,cough, it's Friday, cough, cough)

linux swap to dcss?

2004-11-18 Thread Barton Robinson
PLEASE PROVIDE A SUBJECT LINE of relevance I almost ignored this and have no idea the original thread. Isn't the problem with dcss is that they are very limited? They must be less than 2GB in address - pretty hard to have a 5GB pages space fit below 2gb virtual. Lots of virtual machines

Re: linux swap to dcss?

2004-11-18 Thread Carsten Otte
Hi Barton, today you have a full 2G of space for dcsses available - even when using lage main memory. You can use dcss swapping with oracle, and all other apps you have in mind. You can mix different swapping devices easily with Linux, you can even priorize using them. When you need 500gig of

Re: linux swap to dcss?

2004-11-18 Thread Adam Thornton
On Nov 18, 2004, at 10:04 AM, Carsten Otte wrote: Hi Barton, today you have a full 2G of space for dcsses available - even when using lage main memory. I may be confused, but I thought you had to define your DCSSes above the top of the memory Linux used. What does the IPL line look like if you

Re: linux swap to dcss?

2004-11-18 Thread David Kreuter
: linux swap to dcss? On Nov 18, 2004, at 10:04 AM, Carsten Otte wrote: Hi Barton, today you have a full 2G of space for dcsses available - even when using lage main memory. I may be confused, but I thought you had to define your DCSSes above the top of the memory Linux used. What does

Re: linux swap to dcss?

2004-11-18 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:20:48 -0500, David Kreuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the case of swapping to EW DCSS it would be a separate address space so the rules are not the same as the XIP2 type of mapped file system. No you're wrong. The DCSS must be mapped into the virtual machine address

Re: linux swap to dcss?

2004-11-18 Thread Barton Robinson
Hi Carsten, i just don't believe that under stress conditions that in today's environement you can show value to paging to dcss over vdisk. This being with z/vm 5.1 and a current redhat or suse. The ibm recomendations i keep hearing being repeated are that swap sizes must be some multiple of the

Re: linux swap to dcss?

2004-11-18 Thread Carsten Otte
I may be confused, but I thought you had to define your DCSSes above the top of the memory Linux used. What does the IPL line look like if you want 100 MB at 1G, and space usable by Linux both above and below it? This issue has been solved. With our new memory detection you can use #cp def store

Re: linux swap to dcss?

2004-11-18 Thread Carsten Otte
In the case of swapping to EW DCSS it would be a separate address space so the rules are not the same as the XIP2 type of mapped file system. David Nope, you can do the same with xip2fs. You can create storage holes and fill them with your filesystem. with kind regards Carsten Otte -- omnis enim

Re: linux swap to dcss?

2004-11-18 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:52:13 +0100, Carsten Otte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, you can do the same with xip2fs. You can create storage holes and fill them with your filesystem. For the oldbies among us - this is effectively what we did with CMS and segment reserve, because we did not have def

Re: linux swap to dcss?

2004-11-18 Thread Carsten Otte
Hi Carsten, i just don't believe that under stress conditions that in today's environement you can show value to paging to dcss over vdisk. This being with z/vm 5.1 and a current redhat or suse. Why don't you measure it? My simple measurements (I am not a performance guy but the developer)

Re: linux swap to dcss?

2004-11-18 Thread Barton Robinson
So ibm would rather an outside vendor do the measurements? and that any customer with performance problems should run future or unsupported levels of code in production? And that vm developement's opinions are better than real data? my my. Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:12:50 +0100 From:

Re: linux swap to dcss?

2004-11-18 Thread Post, Mark K
- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barton Robinson Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: linux swap to dcss? So ibm would rather an outside vendor do the measurements? and that any customer with performance problems should run

Re: linux swap to dcss?

2004-11-18 Thread Carsten Otte
So ibm would rather an outside vendor do the measurements? and that any customer with performance problems should run future or unsupported levels of code in production? And that vm developement's opinions are better than real data? my my. You really seem to try hard to get me wrong. We are off

Re: linux swap to dcss?

2004-11-18 Thread Bill Bitner
A few thoughts on various statements: 1.The Linux development process is a little different than the traditional S390 where we test things ad nauseum before we let them out the door. I apologize that VM Performance hasn't had time to fully measure the swap to dcss. It's on the list, but