Re: Nostalgia

2020-02-18 Thread Rick Troth
want!
So Neale, where can I get one? *:-)*

BITNET was inherently more secure (than contemporary Internet) because
the entry bar was too high for consumers. But economy of scale
prevailed, so most of us got internet and eventually lost our
BITNET. *:-(*

In the early 1990s, Russ Nelson (Crynwr) and Geoff Arnold (Sun) proposed
Message Send Protocol (MSP, RFC 1312). MSP is effectively 'tell' for
TCP/IP. There was an MSPD for CMS It would be interesting to see if any
HNET nodes could also run MSP.

Seeing a gap, I cooked up Unsolicited File Transfer (UFT, originally RFC
1440, but superseded). UFT is effectively 'sendfile' for TCP/IP. UFTD
for CMS supports a 'msg' command (in the protocol), which might render
moot the need for an MSP server. HNET nodes are certainly welcome to run
UFTD (there are at least two flavors, one being FLOSS).

Speaking of Eric, I think I got the base for the.bitnet pseudodomain
from a LISTSERV derivation. Manually modified it since then, but not in
a long long time. Y'all are welcome to that ...

*http://www.casita.net/pub/nord/var/named/master/bitnet*


 ... and it's open for updates ...

*https://github.com/trothr/nord/blob/master/var/named/master/bitnet*


Or maybe call it "*hnet*".

NJE from SNA definitely presents a lower entry bar and yet still
provides perimeter safety similar to that of BITNET (et al) or VNET.


On 2/17/20 7:20 PM, Neale Ferguson wrote:
> There's a chat facility with this incarnation as well.
>
> Also, kudos to the other players who put the pieces together that made it all 
> possible including updates to VM/370 running on Hercules by Peter Coghlan to 
> allow it and  its ancient RSCS to participate. 
>
> Neale Ferguson
>
> On 2/17/20, 09:55, "Linux on 390 Port on behalf of David Boyes" 
>  wrote:
>
> Let's also not forget Eric Thomas's other popular tool: CHAT (so that you 
> didn't have to TELL RELAY AT  message. I think of all those bits, only 
> CHAT survives in the VM Workshop tapes. 
> 
> Still works after all these years.
>  
>
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Re: Nostalgia

2020-02-17 Thread Neale Ferguson
There's a chat facility with this incarnation as well.

Also, kudos to the other players who put the pieces together that made it all 
possible including updates to VM/370 running on Hercules by Peter Coghlan to 
allow it and  its ancient RSCS to participate. 

Neale Ferguson

On 2/17/20, 09:55, "Linux on 390 Port on behalf of David Boyes" 
 wrote:

Let's also not forget Eric Thomas's other popular tool: CHAT (so that you 
didn't have to TELL RELAY AT  message. I think of all those bits, only CHAT 
survives in the VM Workshop tapes. 

Still works after all these years.
 


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Re: Nostalgia

2020-02-17 Thread David Boyes
Let's also not forget Eric Thomas's other popular tool: CHAT (so that you 
didn't have to TELL RELAY AT  message. I think of all those bits, only CHAT 
survives in the VM Workshop tapes. 

Still works after all these years.


On 2/14/20, 6:35 PM, "Linux on 390 Port on behalf of Rob van der Heij" 
 wrote:

On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 at 23:50, Neale Ferguson  wrote:

> For those who remember BITNET, RELAY, and VMSHARE. Here’s a video showing
> its resurrection.
>
> https://youtu.be/gsY_m8ufcs4


I recognize that web page at the start :-)

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Re: Nostalgia

2020-02-14 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 at 23:50, Neale Ferguson  wrote:

> For those who remember BITNET, RELAY, and VMSHARE. Here’s a video showing
> its resurrection.
>
> https://youtu.be/gsY_m8ufcs4


I recognize that web page at the start :-)

Sir Rob the Plumber

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Nostalgia

2020-02-14 Thread Neale Ferguson
For those who remember BITNET, RELAY, and VMSHARE. Here’s a video showing its 
resurrection.

https://youtu.be/gsY_m8ufcs4

Neale

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