RE: Location of ELKS Archive?
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Hofmann Michael wrote: Alistair Riddoch wrote: Looking at the state of the project it is no longer obvious to me which way to proceed. It essentially runs pretty stably on all my test platforms, and I have reached the point where it is no longer obvious to me what to do next. Any ideas anyone? Yes. How about a Linux- or Minix-like way to install. To me it seems to be pretty complicated the way it is now, and I'm looking forward to a more user-friendly installation, for clueless guys like me :-) Ever since I discovered this great project, I'm waiting for the day to install it on my 286. Unfortunately I'm not experienced enough to contribute, except for maybe doing a document translation to German... Anyway, thanks for your work so far. Regards, Michael A compact distro that would fit on a few disks and contain elks, a nice editor for non-vi-enthusiasts (a tiny emacs? Even ms works 1.1. runs on dos 3.3. on my 8088), support for several keymaps, a small rogue-like game, a calendar app... I think elks works ok but apps are needed. Then just call it 1.0 and whoa! end-users will emerge to jam the 0806 list. J.S.
Re: Location of ELKS Archive?
On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 09:57:47PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: Does this mean ELKS has TCP/IP networking with PPP and/or SLIP? Nope. Thats a totally seperate project I have had a few replies along these lines, but networking is as Alan says, a completely different project. It is also something I know very little about and don't have the time to embark on anything this unfamiliar to me. If someone with networking knowledge was prepared to get this rolling I am sure I could contribute. Al
Re: Location of ELKS Archive?
On Thu, Apr 27, 2000 at 01:12:36PM +0200, Christian Theil Have wrote: Alistair Riddoch wrote: On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 09:57:47PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: Does this mean ELKS has TCP/IP networking with PPP and/or SLIP? Nope. Thats a totally seperate project I have had a few replies along these lines, but networking is as Alan says, a completely different project. It is also something I know very little about and don't have the time to embark on anything this unfamiliar to me. If someone with networking knowledge was prepared to get this rolling I am sure I could contribute. Excuse me, but I am a bit confused! I thought there was some sort of TCP/IP implementation project going on??? Is there a separate site and/or mailing list for this project. Is there some one who is responsible coordinating for this? I'm sorry about all my clueless questions here, but I i'd really like to know There was some effort started a while ago, but I think that seeing as we have not heard anything in a very long time, it is safe to assume that the effort has stalled. Al
Re: Location of ELKS Archive?
If someone with networking knowledge was prepared to get this rolling I am sure I could contribute. Excuse me, but I am a bit confused! I thought there was some sort of TCP/IP implementation project going on??? Is there a separate site and/or mailing list for this project. Is there some one who is responsible coordinating for this? I'm sorry about all my clueless questions here, but I i'd really like to know You have right to be confused :-) There is no (public) TCP/IP for ELKS project and never was one. There were only few people claiming they would do something but have vanished without a trace (or with some excuse). People were enthusiastic about TCP stack but (IMO) noone got anywhere near. No1 released their work so others could contribute so that makes me think that they haven't achieved anything. But it is free project, no1 was paying them so no1 can blame them for quitting. I agree with them, ELKS in 2000 makes much less sense than it would in 1996 .. and that's the main reason some of them stopped from what i know. Development of ELKS was similar to ln function .. it was progressing quickly at he beginning but almost completely stopped later. That's why i said the other day that ELKS (as a project) is dead. ELKS (as source) is still avaliable to public and should remain that way. bye, Ab
Re: Location of ELKS Archive?
On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Blaz Antonic wrote: If someone with networking knowledge was prepared to get this rolling I am sure I could contribute. Excuse me, but I am a bit confused! I thought there was some sort of TCP/IP implementation project going on??? Is there a separate site and/or mailing list for this project. Is there some one who is responsible coordinating for this? I'm sorry about all my clueless questions here, but I i'd really like to know You have right to be confused :-) There is no (public) TCP/IP for ELKS project and never was one. There were only few people claiming they would do something but have vanished without a trace (or with some excuse). Or both, like myself, for which I apologise. The excuse was that due to problems at school (A-Level's, not getting kicked out etc.) I didn't have time to do anything, and this stands for another 2 months. At the time I wanted to help with networking stuff and started on some stuff which was never released (didn't get very far, and so your asumption that little was achived is correct). People were enthusiastic about TCP stack but (IMO) noone got anywhere near. Enthusiastic is right. I'm still enthusiastic about it, and I'd love to help, but both then and now I just don't have the time. I'm not going to make any promises of TCP/IP stacks and telnet clients, but I really would like to help, and hopefully, when my exams are over, I can help play with this stuff. No1 released their work so others could contribute so that makes me think that they haven't achieved anything. See above... I agree with them, ELKS in 2000 makes much less sense than it would in 1996 .. and that's the main reason some of them stopped from what i know. Development of ELKS was similar to ln function .. it was progressing quickly at he beginning but almost completely stopped later. That's why i said the other day that ELKS (as a project) is dead. ELKS (as source) is still avaliable to public and should remain that way. Put your hand up if you actually use ELKS. Put your hand up if you've learnt from ELKS. I know that I fall into the later of these two catagories, and I'm guessing that most people do as well. As far as I am concerned ELKS is just as useful as it was a couple of years ago. Luke Farrar.
Re: Location of ELKS Archive?
On Tue, Apr 25, 2000 at 11:56:40PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: that is unusable. I was hoping to be able to get a linux derivitive on it in hopes of making it useable for terminal emulation as well as some standard development. I will poke around for a while, but I don't doubt you. Its not so much dead as rather inactive. Its all there and it seems to work passably. I am not actively working on the kernel code at the moment because I am busy with other things, and mainly because there has been no real interest in the project for some time. Now that the project is hosted on sourceforge it is easier for others to work on it without my involvement, but if anyone else did start contributing, I would probably do some work on the code too. Looking at the state of the project it is no longer obvious to me which way to proceed. It essentially runs pretty stably on all my test platforms, and I have reached the point where it is no longer obvious to me what to do next. Any ideas anyone? Al
RE: Location of ELKS Archive?
Alistair Riddoch wrote: Looking at the state of the project it is no longer obvious to me which way to proceed. It essentially runs pretty stably on all my test platforms, and I have reached the point where it is no longer obvious to me what to do next. Any ideas anyone? Yes. How about a Linux- or Minix-like way to install. To me it seems to be pretty complicated the way it is now, and I'm looking forward to a more user-friendly installation, for clueless guys like me :-) Ever since I discovered this great project, I'm waiting for the day to install it on my 286. Unfortunately I'm not experienced enough to contribute, except for maybe doing a document translation to German... Anyway, thanks for your work so far. Regards, Michael
Re: Location of ELKS Archive?
Hei, who's that Veronica Parsons? Did I understand right? Did you really got to run ELKS on a HP200lx. If you got, PLEASE let me know how you did! I'm expecting for this moment since I heard about ELKS the first time!!! Thank you for any information! --- Steve Korson [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: Veronica Parsons wrote: Hi Steve Say, you aren't using an HP Omnigo by chance? Right maker, different model - HP200lx. This is a palmtop based on the vadem vg230 that boots from ROM, briefly runs DOS then executes GEOS. I have programs that allow me to catch the device after boot in DOS. When it boots to DOS it checks for a config.sys/autoexec.bat in the RAM disk, drive C first. If there isn't one, then it boots from D, the ROM disk. I believe this to be the way the ogo is set up. I will check. The image files needs changing to load a loader then load the system, much as the image does, but specifically for this unit. I am new to this, but capable of learning. Could you elaborate? What am I looking for? In what ways would the image files need to be changed? What is this loader? Is this a DOS executable that I have to compile for an 8086? Also, were you successful with the HP200lx? Do you know what uP this is using? I wonder how close your source/etc would be to what I need? What did you use to boot to elks? Did you have this loader? Did you have to compile this loader special? What sort of parameterization was required. I have been unable to find this stuff on the various elks pages. If it is there, feel free to point me to it with a slight reprimand! [grin] Does yours give you a chance to get in in the boot? How would I know? Once I set to boot into DOS mode, I always boot to DOS mode. (Uless I let all my batteries die and the system restarts. Not a bad safety feature but I suspect could get old...) Is there anything I could do to check? You may be able to figure something from the tech docs for the Omnigo. They may be available. I doc stuff for mine off the web - there being enough years of 'hacker' base for it to be available. Not really much technically available for the ogo. It was when I stumbled on the detailed datasheet for the vadem chip that the ogo is based on did I think of trying this. In fact it is quite dusty sitting in a drawer awaiting batteries and the weekend for me to play. Have a web search and see what turns up. If HP do some official, there is more than likely something around. Whatever, you are likely to need to do some work I suspect. Willing to give it a shot! Thanks again, Steve = FullTurtle YAHOO! BATE-PAPO Conheça gente nova, faça amigos e divirta-se! - http://www.yahoo.com.br
Re: Location of ELKS Archive?
Looking at the state of the project it is no longer obvious to me which way to proceed. It essentially runs pretty stably on all my test platforms, and I have reached the point where it is no longer obvious to me what to do next. Any ideas anyone? Call it 0.99 announce it and go on holiday is I believe Linus approach 8) Basically it works. Alan
RE: Location of ELKS Archive?
Does this mean ELKS has TCP/IP networking with PPP and/or SLIP? -Original Message- From: Alistair Riddoch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, 26 April 2000 21:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Location of ELKS Archive? On Tue, Apr 25, 2000 at 11:56:40PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: that is unusable. I was hoping to be able to get a linux derivitive on it in hopes of making it useable for terminal emulation as well as some standard development. I will poke around for a while, but I don't doubt you. Its not so much dead as rather inactive. Its all there and it seems to work passably. I am not actively working on the kernel code at the moment because I am busy with other things, and mainly because there has been no real interest in the project for some time. Now that the project is hosted on sourceforge it is easier for others to work on it without my involvement, but if anyone else did start contributing, I would probably do some work on the code too. Looking at the state of the project it is no longer obvious to me which way to proceed. It essentially runs pretty stably on all my test platforms, and I have reached the point where it is no longer obvious to me what to do next. Any ideas anyone? Al
Re: Location of ELKS Archive?
Does this mean ELKS has TCP/IP networking with PPP and/or SLIP? Nope. Thats a totally seperate project
