On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 21:55:04 -0500, David Robillard d...@drobilla.net
wrote:
On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 23:18 +, Rui Nuno Capela wrote:
[Snip a bunch of irrelevant hand-wavey noise about the past that
completely ignores all discussion about the solution]
...
I have described the various cons
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 09:14:31PM -0500, Paul Davis wrote:
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
This excludes Windows (TM), but again, I couln't care less.
It also excludes OS X, which despite having X11 support isn't really
what you mean by
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 09:26:09PM -0500, David Robillard wrote:
It is obviously not useful to have hundreds of plugin UI windows open at
once anyway.
Unless they are embedded instead of being separate top level windows.
If you're on an X11 system, then you can use X11 as a base to support
ATM it doesn't even provide network transparency. Which means you can't
even do the equivalent of ssh -X.
Does anybody even use this feature anymore?
It is another pet beef, though. Most Linux desktop distributions disable the
TCP connections to the X server anyway so the features of '-X'
On 22 February 2011 13:45, Nick Copeland nickycopel...@hotmail.com wrote:
ATM it doesn't even provide network transparency. Which means you can't
even do the equivalent of ssh -X.
Does anybody even use this feature anymore?
All the time. It is an essential remote administration tool in the
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 01:45:35PM +0100, Nick Copeland wrote:
ATM it doesn't even provide network transparency. Which means you can't
even do the equivalent of ssh -X.
Does anybody even use this feature anymore?
It is another pet beef, though. Most Linux desktop distributions disable
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 8:46 AM, Nick Copeland
nickycopel...@hotmail.com wrote:
To come back to the original thread, X11 is very old in the tooth. It is
based on
assumptions that are not longer valid and the result is a pretty cumbersome
solution. It was written before reasonable foundations
On 02/22/2011 05:38 PM, David Robillard wrote:
Speaking of existing work, I vaguely recall mention of a plugin with a
Qt GUI? Where is this, I need one for testing...
afaict, there's none
i recall there are only two lv2 ui (sub)extensions in use, to my
knowledge of course, and you probably
X11 hides the hardware and allows the app to be independent of it, just as do
Jack for audio, sockets for networking, etc. Do you suggest that I should not
use Jack or sockets because e.g. Windows doesn't have them (natively) ?
Actually yes, I am suggesting you don't use Jack or Sockets if
2011/2/22 David Robillard d...@drobilla.net:
On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 04:52 +, Jeremy Salwen wrote:
[...]
Hi David,
As a plugin developer, I'm very much looking forward to this,
especially since I proposed something similar to this a bit ago
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, Philipp Überbacher wrote:
I'm not sure it helps to talk about wayland, it seems to be very much
future music. It seems ubuntu and fedora talk about a year or so, but
after reading up about its current state (three years of development so
No, it's very much going to
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Stefano D'Angelo zanga.m...@gmail.com wrote:
I didn't follow the whole discussion, but I just want to toss out one
not-so-stupid-as-it-may-seem possibility: HTML + CSS + JS. Take a look
at YUI.
I wrote an XML schema for plugin GUIs, oh, about 8 years ago.
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 07:32:58PM +0100, Nick Copeland wrote:
X11 hides the hardware and allows the app to be independent of it, just as
do
Jack for audio, sockets for networking, etc. Do you suggest that I should
not
use Jack or sockets because e.g. Windows doesn't have them
On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 18:32 +, Rui Nuno Capela wrote:
On 02/22/2011 05:38 PM, David Robillard wrote:
Speaking of existing work, I vaguely recall mention of a plugin with a
Qt GUI? Where is this, I need one for testing...
afaict, there's none
i recall there are only two lv2 ui
On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 19:50 +0100, Stefano D'Angelo wrote:
2011/2/22 David Robillard d...@drobilla.net:
On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 04:52 +, Jeremy Salwen wrote:
[...]
Hi David,
As a plugin developer, I'm very much looking forward to this,
especially since I proposed something similar
I didn't follow the whole discussion, but I just want to toss out one
not-so-stupid-as-it-may-seem possibility: HTML + CSS + JS. Take a look
at YUI.
I don't think it's stupid at all. Saying using browser technology for UI
is stupid these days is the height of short-sightedness. That's
On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 13:55 -0500, Paul Davis wrote:
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Stefano D'Angelo zanga.m...@gmail.com
wrote:
I didn't follow the whole discussion, but I just want to toss out one
not-so-stupid-as-it-may-seem possibility: HTML + CSS + JS. Take a look
at YUI.
I
OK, let's make a few thing clear. I write for Linux. This list
is called Linux Audio Developers. I don't care a second if my
apps are not portable to OSX, windows, or whatever you like.
So lets make a few other things clear:
Maemo is Linux and a bog standard X app would perhaps just work.
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Nick Copeland
nickycopel...@hotmail.com wrote:
[ ]
does this (sub)dialog need to be so ... personal? so exclusive? so
full of the righteousness of its proponents' viewpoints that there's
no room for plurality, or doubt?
Excerpts from Paul Davis's message of 2011-02-22 17:57:44 +0100:
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Philipp Überbacher
hollun...@lavabit.com wrote:
I'm not sure it helps to talk about wayland, it seems to be very much
future music. It seems ubuntu and fedora talk about a year or so, but
On Tuesday 22 February 2011 21:36:11 Nick Copeland wrote:
OK, let's make a few thing clear. I write for Linux. This list
is called Linux Audio Developers. I don't care a second if my
apps are not portable to OSX, windows, or whatever you like.
So lets make a few other things clear:
does this (sub)dialog need to be so ... personal? so exclusive? so
full of the righteousness of its proponents' viewpoints that there's
no room for plurality, or doubt?
This list as far as I can remember has always been full of righteous
opinions, and by pretty much all of its subscribers,
On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 19:48 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 07:32:58PM +0100, Nick Copeland wrote:
X11 hides the hardware and allows the app to be independent of it, just
as do
Jack for audio, sockets for networking, etc. Do you suggest that I should
not
Excerpts from David Robillard's message of 2011-02-22 22:12:56 +0100:
--snip--
Put simply:
I don't care about portability == Nobody cares about my software.
-dr
Simply not true. I do agree however that portability (==OS independence)
is a good idea for a plugin API. However, we all know
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Philipp Überbacher
hollun...@lavabit.com wrote:
The rest sounds nice, and it might well be that X has become old, but I
don't see the big improvement coming up. Windows are called surfaces
now, can have different shapes and are more flexible, compositing,
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Nick Copeland
nickycopel...@hotmail.com wrote:
This list as far as I can remember has always been full of righteous
opinions, and by pretty much all of its subscribers, Paul.
I think you're projecting. I love what you do for the audio
community, but your
On 02/22/2011 01:45 PM, Nick Copeland wrote:
ATM it doesn't even provide network transparency. Which means you can't
even do the equivalent of ssh -X.
Does anybody even use this feature anymore?
fwiw, 50% of my audio work happens on a laptop that i use to ssh into my
audio workstation.
On 02/22/2011 10:12 PM, David Robillard wrote:
As far as I am concerned, this is all about Libre audio software anyway,
and I disagree with the name of this list/site (who actually cares about
the specific kernel?). Getting e.g. OSX people on board is a part of
making the LAD 'platorm' a
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 04:38:05PM -0500, Paul Davis wrote:
what its going to do,i think, is two-fold:
1) promote more and more toolkit design that makes everything just a
compositing stack. GTK has already moved significantly in this
direction, but could go a lot further.
Makes
Dave,
I do some work in Qt. Primarily helping to port Lmms to Qt4. I am now
working on a successor. This host is in Qt4 and uses lv2 as the primary
plugin api. I desire embedded plugins, so this topic is close to my heart.
Anyways, I would name the URI after Qt4 instead of simply Qt. Qt breaks
Excerpts from David Robillard's message of 2011-02-22 21:28:03 +0100:
On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 19:50 +0100, Stefano D'Angelo wrote:
2011/2/22 David Robillard d...@drobilla.net:
On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 04:52 +, Jeremy Salwen wrote:
[...]
Hi David,
As a plugin developer, I'm very
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 04:38:05PM -0500, Paul Davis wrote:
what its going to do,i think, is two-fold:
1) promote more and more toolkit design that makes everything just a
compositing stack. GTK has already moved
Unless you're interested in a long-winded rant mostly about me and my
perspective on LAD in general, skip this one. Otherwise, here goes:
On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 22:31 +0100, Philipp Überbacher wrote:
Excerpts from David Robillard's message of 2011-02-22 22:12:56 +0100:
--snip--
Put simply:
On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 17:22 -0500, Paul Giblock wrote:
Dave,
I do some work in Qt. Primarily helping to port Lmms to Qt4. I am now
working on a successor. This host is in Qt4 and uses lv2 as the
primary plugin api. I desire embedded plugins, so this topic is close
to my heart.
Anyways,
On Tuesday, February 22, 2011 07:20:35 pm David Robillard
wrote:
OK, thanks. Does anyone care about 3 any more?
No.
Qt3 reached EOL a couple years ago, and even the Qt3Support
library in Qt4 is (unofficially) deprecated.
-gabriel
___
Yeah, I was thinking the something regarding gtk. Too late to change it
though. I suppose the next one will just be versioned.
And you are right. Nobody cares about 3 anymore, except for backwards
compatibility. There is no reason to pull that into the UI spec, though, as
there are no Qt3 lv2
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 01:45:35PM +0100, Nick Copeland wrote:
ATM it doesn't even provide network transparency. Which means you can't
even do the equivalent of ssh -X.
Does anybody even use this feature anymore?
Are you kidding? All the time.
Speaking of existing work, I vaguely recall mention of a plugin with a
Qt GUI? Where is this, I need one for testing...
Take a look at latest svn of CLAM Network Editor. It is apparently able to
export networks as LV2 with a Qt GUI. See
http://clam-project.org/wiki/Development_screenshots
-m
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