Re: [LAD] Experience driven design and Linux Audio

2014-10-01 Thread Florian Paul Schmidt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 30.09.2014 15:58, Harry van Haaren wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpagev=ldhHkVjLe7A#t=1625 To bring this discussion to a productive start, I'd like to concider the tools we have available as the linux-audio

Re: [LAD] Experience driven design and Linux Audio

2014-10-01 Thread Harry van Haaren
Hi all, There's a lot of interesting points brought up: I've only just had the time to read them, and reply to the points that most speak to me (the individual) and me (as OpenAV). Charles Henry wrote: There does not currently exist a company that is credibly making a complete, whole-system

Re: [LAD] Experience driven design and Linux Audio

2014-10-01 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 01 October 2014 01:04:52 hermann meyer did opine And Gene did reply: Am 30.09.2014 23:51, schrieb Paul Davis: it isn't about being a professional or not. You can be a professional woodworker or a weekend amateur and use (functionally speaking) the same tools. The pro might also

Re: [LAD] Experience driven design and Linux Audio

2014-10-01 Thread Joël Krähemann
On tal, 2014-09-30 at 10:56 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Harry van Haaren harryhaa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Linux Audio Developers, TL;DR; Discussing experience driven design for linux audio. I'd

Re: [LAD] Experience driven design and Linux Audio

2014-10-01 Thread Harry van Haaren
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Joël Krähemann weedli...@gmail.com wrote: Why doesn't Harry learn howto do a dial. I just take a look at his code and it just sucks. Hi Joel, The topic isn't the quality of my code: I'm sorry to hear you feel it just sucks. If you wish to discuss the quality of

Re: [LAD] Experience driven design and Linux Audio

2014-10-01 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Florian Paul Schmidt mista.ta...@gmx.net wrote: The important point was though that left to their own devices the non-enthusiasts will be slaughtered by the software they use and maybe we have a responsibility to protect them from themselves. slaughter is

Re: [LAD] Experience driven design and Linux Audio

2014-10-01 Thread Louigi Verona
Discussion often focuses on thinking for the user or about users that don't want to learn. I don't think that this is what the guy in the video was talking about. And this is certainly not what I mean when talking about usability of Linux software. Experience-driven design, as I understood him,

Re: [LAD] Experience driven design and Linux Audio

2014-10-01 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Louigi Verona louigi.ver...@gmail.com wrote: There is a huge difference between having options in a text file that you have to edit or having them in a GUI. And the difference is not in having to learn - most users know how to edit a text file. The difference

Re: [LAD] Experience driven design and Linux Audio

2014-10-01 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On Thu, October 2, 2014 1:01 am, Louigi Verona wrote: Discussion often focuses on thinking for the user or about users that don't want to learn. I don't think that this is what the guy in the video was talking about. And this is certainly not what I mean when talking about usability of

Re: [LAD] Experience driven design and Linux Audio

2014-10-01 Thread tom
On Wed, October 1, 2014 17:40, Patrick Shirkey wrote: Usability usually requires a designers eye. Most good UX designers spend almost all their time on design/usability issues. That might be true but UX isn't restricted to visual aspects IMO. Looking at a button to indicate two statuses, is

Re: [LAD] Experience driven design and Linux Audio

2014-10-01 Thread Louigi Verona
Hey Paul, I agree with most of what you say, you are correct in pointing out that the situation is more nuanced. until you need to use a delay to compensate for a block size delay that you known in samples :) Wanted to comment on this. Right. You might want to do that. But, as I said, the price

Re: [LAD] Experience driven design and Linux Audio

2014-10-01 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Oct 01, 2014 at 07:01:54PM +0400, Louigi Verona wrote: How many times in your life have you needed to set delay time to like 123.7863218 ms or other weird time? The many times I've had to set a delay time the most convenient unit could have been samples, millisecs or meters (at the

Re: [LAD] Experience driven design and Linux Audio

2014-10-01 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Oct 01, 2014 at 11:32:47AM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: it doesn't have to mean that, but it often does, especially if the program has a lot of options - people get scared of presenting them all and so they hide most of them. Exactly. Good example is Chromium's settings page. It shows

Re: [LAD] Experience driven design and Linux Audio

2014-10-01 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 4:40 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 01, 2014 at 11:32:47AM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: it doesn't have to mean that, but it often does, especially if the program has a lot of options - people get scared of presenting them all and so they

Re: [LAD] Experience driven design and Linux Audio

2014-10-01 Thread Joël Krähemann
On arb, 2014-10-01 at 12:39 +0100, Harry van Haaren wrote: On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Joël Krähemann weedli...@gmail.com wrote: Why doesn't Harry learn howto do a dial. I just take a look at his code and it just sucks. Hi Joel, The topic isn't the quality of my code: I'm sorry to

Re: [LAD] Experience driven design and Linux Audio

2014-10-01 Thread Len Ovens
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014, Louigi Verona wrote: Also, I would like to say this - bottom line is that most apps on Linux are not known for ease of use. And that has a systematic cause, no doubt about it. In my view the cause is that this is mostly software done for oneself rather than for the

Re: [LAD] Experience driven design and Linux Audio

2014-10-01 Thread Paul Davis
Here's an interesting counterpoint or follow up point or whatever. I've queued it to start at the right time, listen till about 31:00 (or longer if you want). The key point I wanted to highlight was Gerhard's point about saying No to user requests. But, being Gerhard, he has other interesting

Re: [LAD] Experience driven design and Linux Audio

2014-10-01 Thread Paul Davis
bah. bad formatting. try this: http://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/x26axz5?start=1530 ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev

Re: [LAD] Experience driven design and Linux Audio

2014-10-01 Thread Len Ovens
On Wed, 1 Oct 2014, Paul Davis wrote: Here's an interesting counterpoint or follow up point or whatever. I've queued it to start at the right time, listen till about 31:00 (or longer if you want). The key point I wanted to highlight was Gerhard's point about saying No to user requests. But,

[LAD] [LAU] [LAA] Guitarix 0.31.0 released

2014-10-01 Thread hermann meyer
The Guitarix developers proudly present Guitarix release 0.31.0 For the uninitiated, Guitarix is a tube amplifier simulation for jack (Linux), with an additional mono and a stereo effect rack. Guitarix includes a large list of plugins[*] and support LADSPA / LV2 plugs as well. The guitarix