Re: [LAD] aBLETON lINK

2016-09-23 Thread Paul Davis
On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Louigi Verona wrote: > Paul, not to derail the conversation, but can you give us a little detail > on what kind of problems happen in scenarios outside of the desktop > environment? I am just curious. > building and installing JACK was hard. making it work with t

Re: [LAD] aBLETON lINK

2016-09-23 Thread Louigi Verona
Paul, not to derail the conversation, but can you give us a little detail on what kind of problems happen in scenarios outside of the desktop environment? I am just curious. On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Markus Seeber < markus.see...@spectralbird.de> wrote: > On 09/23/2016 05:13 PM, Paul Davis

Re: [LAD] aBLETON lINK

2016-09-23 Thread Markus Seeber
On 09/23/2016 05:13 PM, Paul Davis wrote: > The last time I was working with such a person was deeply illustrative: a > small technology company doing audio on raspberry pi and beagle boards. > Using JACK. Having an insanely hard time even getting it work. Even with me > sitting in with them. Their

Re: [LAD] aBLETON lINK

2016-09-23 Thread Paul Davis
On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Patrick Shirkey < pshir...@boosthardware.com> wrote: > > > Because we've done a fucking piss-poor job of licensing, packaging and > > promoting technology in ways that make sense to the overwhelming majority > > of developers and users. > > > > If this is correct

Re: [LAD] aBLETON lINK

2016-09-23 Thread Patrick Shirkey
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 12:50 AM, Patrick Shirkey < > pshir...@boosthardware.com> wrote: > >> >> > On 09/22/2016 07:30 PM, Tito Latini wrote: >> >> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 09:16:12AM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: >> >> [...] >> >>> > Ableton have now done that, albeit by circumventing the hardest >>

Re: [LAD] aBLETON lINK

2016-09-23 Thread Paul Davis
On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Patrick Shirkey < pshir...@boosthardware.com> wrote: > > > One can draw reasonable conclusions based on the evidence at hand. > You don't have any evidence other than the absence of evidence. > > > > > How many times is it necessary for someone to explain that

Re: [LAD] aBLETON lINK

2016-09-23 Thread Patrick Shirkey
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 6:00 AM, Patrick Shirkey > > wrote: > >> >> I suppose that their marketing department has decided that Linux >> Developers/Users don't represent a big enough share of the market to >> justify committing more resources to the platform. >> > > You have no idea what their ma

Re: [LAD] aBLETON lINK

2016-09-23 Thread Paul Davis
On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Paul Davis wrote: > > > There are no fields I know of where open source leads in terms of end-user > visible software applications. > oops. except for web browsers. > ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@l

Re: [LAD] aBLETON lINK

2016-09-23 Thread Paul Davis
On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 6:00 AM, Patrick Shirkey wrote: > > I suppose that their marketing department has decided that Linux > Developers/Users don't represent a big enough share of the market to > justify committing more resources to the platform. > You have no idea what their marketing departm

Re: [LAD] aBLETON lINK

2016-09-23 Thread Paul Davis
On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 12:50 AM, Patrick Shirkey < pshir...@boosthardware.com> wrote: > > > On 09/22/2016 07:30 PM, Tito Latini wrote: > >> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 09:16:12AM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > >> [...] > >>> > Ableton have now done that, albeit by circumventing the hardest parts > >>> of

Re: [LAD] aBLETON lINK

2016-09-23 Thread Paul Davis
On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 4:42 AM, Tito Latini wrote: > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 04:36:17PM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Tito Latini > wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:49:42PM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > > > > The innovation is defining an API and protocol

Re: [LAD] aBLETON lINK

2016-09-23 Thread Louigi Verona
"IMO anyone who doesn't know about JACK and claims to be a professional audio developer has dubious credentials." I think this is an unfounded statement. Many professional audio developers work on Windows with ASIO and are both professional and some of them definitely unaware of JACK. "Keep in mi

Re: [LAD] aBLETON lINK

2016-09-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 23 Sep 2016 13:00:08 +0200, Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> On Thu, 2016-09-22 at 19:58 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: >>> That's pretty cool IMHO and I wish more companies would do that! >>> >>> Also coming up with a protocol is the easier part. Documenting it, >>> pushing it out to users, gaini

Re: [LAD] aBLETON lINK

2016-09-23 Thread Patrick Shirkey
> On Thu, 2016-09-22 at 19:58 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: >> That's pretty cool IMHO and I wish more companies would do that! >> >> Also coming up with a protocol is the easier part. Documenting it, >> pushing it out to users, gaining traction in the industry etc is the >> hard part. > > I agree wi

Re: [LAD] aBLETON lINK

2016-09-23 Thread Daniel Swärd
On Thu, 2016-09-22 at 19:58 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: > That's pretty cool IMHO and I wish more companies would do that! > > Also coming up with a protocol is the easier part. Documenting it, > pushing it out to users, gaining traction in the industry etc is the > hard part. I agree with this. T

Re: [LAD] aBLETON lINK

2016-09-23 Thread Tito Latini
On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 04:36:17PM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Tito Latini wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:49:42PM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > > > The innovation is defining an API and protocol based on 3 concepts: > > > > > > tempo synchronization > > >