Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Burkhard Woelfel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 10 June 2004 03:03, Tim Hockin wrote: Radial is confusing to people. Radial movement on control elements often confuses me. If there was a line drawn from the center of the knob to the mouse pointer, maybe sporting arrows in the

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 09:46:36AM +0200, Burkhard Woelfel wrote: Radial movement on control elements often confuses me. If there was a line drawn from the center of the knob to the mouse pointer, maybe sporting arrows in the directions to move the mouse would make two things obvious for

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Dave Griffiths
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:28:09 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 09:46:36AM +0200, Burkhard Woelfel wrote: Radial movement on control elements often confuses me. ... Well, the scaling issue was not obvious to me, I needed to read about it somewhere, but afterwards made

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 05:22:55PM +0100, Dave Griffiths wrote: I like your fan idea Thorsten, but I also think it could work invisibly - ie no need for the transparent overlay. This would take a bit of learning that it was there to begin with - but transparent graphics like that are

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Dave Griffiths
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:54:20 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 05:22:55PM +0100, Dave Griffiths wrote: I like your fan idea Thorsten, but I also think it could work invisibly - ie no need for the transparent overlay. This would take a bit of learning that it was there

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:54:20PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: Requiring the user to read documentation to learn about functionality he would not even expect is not an option. Have education levels gone down *that* far ? -- FA

Re: [linux-audio-dev] swh plugins and fixing undenormalize

2004-06-25 Thread Tim Blechmann
I have a denormal fix without a branch but you probably don't want to see it ;-) It's pretty simple, just OR the bits of the exponent together which gives either 0 (denormal) or 1, typecast that to float, and then multiply the original float by that (0.0 or 1.0). Voila, no branch, but it

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:00:42PM +0200, Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:54:20PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: Requiring the user to read documentation to learn about functionality he would not even expect is not an option. Have education levels gone down *that* far ?

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Dave Griffiths
On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 19:29, Thorsten Wilms wrote: Besides, we were talking about widgets. When even single widgets would require to RTFM, what would that mean for a full app? I think there is a danger here of being too conservative - something I think existing commercial software does (in a

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 12:09:24PM +0100, Dave Griffiths wrote: On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 19:29, Thorsten Wilms wrote: Besides, we were talking about widgets. When even single widgets would require to RTFM, what would that mean for a full app? I think there is a danger here of being too

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Lee Revell
On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 12:00, Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:54:20PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: Requiring the user to read documentation to learn about functionality he would not even expect is not an option. Have education levels gone down *that* far ? It is not

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Lee Revell
On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 07:09, Dave Griffiths wrote: On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 19:29, Thorsten Wilms wrote: Besides, we were talking about widgets. When even single widgets would require to RTFM, what would that mean for a full app? I think there is a danger here of being too conservative -

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Pete Bessman
At Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:00:42 +0200, Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:54:20PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: Requiring the user to read documentation to learn about functionality he would not even expect is not an option. Have education levels gone down *that* far ? WTF?

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:15:24PM -0400, Pete Bessman wrote: I have a very simple request for everybody who loathes plug-and-drool usability: show me the tunes. That's all. Lemme hear the avant garde music enabled by avant garde interfaces The most avant-garde music is enabled by very dull

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 03:38:10PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 12:00, Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:54:20PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: Requiring the user to read documentation to learn about functionality he would not even expect is not an

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 08:29:44PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:00:42PM +0200, Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:54:20PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: Requiring the user to read documentation to learn about functionality he would not even

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Pete Bessman
At Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:28:35 +0200, Fons Adriaensen wrote: so that I can compare it against the mouth-breathing crow-magnon music created with shiny-quarter interfaces. I'm sure the results will speak for themselves. They do, but maybe not in the direction you imagined. And cro-magnon

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Lee Revell
On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 17:23, Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 03:38:10PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: I think this is a lot of the reason European (especially Dutch) design is so much more advanced than American. In the States, a fire exit sign says 'EXIT'. In the Netherlands,