Re: [linux-dvb] Future of Multiproto

2007-10-14 Thread Manu Abraham
Oliver Endriss wrote: Marcel Siegert wrote: can everybody _please_ stop this unnessessary discussion? Full ack! I'm really tired reading these garbage threads. @all, I suggest the following: 1a Review the API extensions (dvb_frontend.h). 1b Commit them. 2a Review dvb_core

Re: [linux-dvb] Future of Multiproto

2007-10-14 Thread Manu Abraham
Oliver Endriss wrote: Manu Abraham wrote: Oliver Endriss wrote: @all, I suggest the following: 1a Review the API extensions (dvb_frontend.h). 1b Commit them. 2a Review dvb_core modifications. 2b Commit them. 3 Commit drivers when they are ready for inclusion. Will appreciate if you

Re: [linux-dvb] Future of Multiproto

2007-10-13 Thread Oliver Endriss
Marcel Siegert wrote: can everybody _please_ stop this unnessessary discussion? Full ack! I'm really tired reading these garbage threads. @all, I suggest the following: 1a Review the API extensions (dvb_frontend.h). 1b Commit them. 2a Review dvb_core modifications. 2b Commit them. 3 Commit

Re: [linux-dvb] Future of Multiproto

2007-10-12 Thread Manu Abraham
Johannes Stezenbach wrote: On Fri, Oct 12, 2007, Manu Abraham wrote: Johannes Stezenbach wrote: Does that mean that Manu has no intentions to get his multiproto API changes merged? It will be merged When? Why hasn't it been merged months ago when HVR4000 worked? HVR4000 was struggling

Re: [linux-dvb] Future of Multiproto

2007-10-12 Thread Johannes Stezenbach
Hi, On Fri, Oct 12, 2007, Marcel Siegert wrote: can everybody _please_ stop this unnessessary discussion? When a developer deletes his mercurial repositories and announces he's going to rewrite the code to be independent of multiproto, then IMHO it is _necessary_ to find out why, and how to

Re: [linux-dvb] Future of Multiproto

2007-10-12 Thread Manu Abraham
Marcel Siegert wrote: hi, can everybody _please_ stop this unnessessary discussion? manu, nobody is playing politics in the moment, not johannes, not steven, not anyone else. What was discussed yesterday was that, if you don't do what i write, i'll just take your code nevertheless as

Re: [linux-dvb] Future of Multiproto

2007-10-12 Thread Marcel Siegert
hi, can everybody _please_ stop this unnessessary discussion? manu, nobody is playing politics in the moment, not johannes, not steven, not anyone else. maybe sometimes it is hard to understand what people want to say if you have all the bad past in mind. what was said in coherence to your

Re: [linux-dvb] Future of Multiproto

2007-10-11 Thread Steven Toth
hermann pitton wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 10.10.2007, 23:44 +0400 schrieb Manu Abraham: Steven Toth wrote: If there is a defined workflow, this moaning will stop. With the moaning on there will be problems and blindly writing mails based on that, just adds in to the problems at large.

Re: [linux-dvb] Future of Multiproto

2007-10-11 Thread Manu Abraham
Steven Toth wrote: Speaking purely for myself, my involvement with linuxtv varies depending on my other work commitments. For this reason, I do not expect to review every patch which gets created against the various drivers I've ever brought to life. So, Manu's idea doesn't work for me, and I

Re: [linux-dvb] Future of Multiproto

2007-10-11 Thread Manu Abraham
(Corrected a typo) Steven Toth wrote: Speaking purely for myself, my involvement with linuxtv varies depending on my other work commitments. For this reason, I do not expect to review every patch which gets created against the various drivers I've ever brought to life. So, Manu's idea doesn't

Re: [linux-dvb] Future of Multiproto

2007-10-11 Thread Steven Toth
Steven Toth wrote: hermann pitton wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 10.10.2007, 23:44 +0400 schrieb Manu Abraham: Steven Toth wrote: If there is a defined workflow, this moaning will stop. With the moaning on there will be problems and blindly writing mails based on that,

Re: [linux-dvb] Future of Multiproto

2007-10-11 Thread Manu Abraham
Steven Toth wrote: Hi, After a disappointing multiproto debate on IRC today I've decided to remove the ~stoth/multiproto and ~stoth/HVR4000 trees from linuxtv.org. I no longer support the multiproto patches and I'm seeking alternative ways to deliver the HVR4000 S2 driver to the community.

Re: [linux-dvb] Future of Multiproto

2007-10-11 Thread Manu Abraham
Johannes Stezenbach wrote: On Thu, Oct 11, 2007, Steven Toth wrote: After a disappointing multiproto debate on IRC today I've decided to remove the ~stoth/multiproto and ~stoth/HVR4000 trees from linuxtv.org. I no longer support the multiproto patches and I'm seeking alternative ways to

Re: [linux-dvb] Future of Multiproto

2007-10-11 Thread Steven Toth
Georg Acher wrote: On Thu, Oct 11, 2007 at 05:11:24PM -0400, Steven Toth wrote: Anyway, sadly, I had to drop support for the HVR4000 via your patches and I'll have to find a way to reimplement support via another mechanism. Almost a year ago I've used a very early stage of your

Re: [linux-dvb] Future of Multiproto

2007-10-11 Thread Johannes Stezenbach
On Fri, Oct 12, 2007, Manu Abraham wrote: Johannes Stezenbach wrote: Does that mean that Manu has no intentions to get his multiproto API changes merged? It will be merged When? Why hasn't it been merged months ago when HVR4000 worked? (If so, then wtf was the point of doing them

Re: [linux-dvb] Future of Multiproto

2007-10-10 Thread Markus Rechberger
Manu Abraham wrote: Steven, Steven Toth wrote: Johannes / Manu, I'm actually pretty sad about the whole situation. The HVR4000 has been done for over a year, probably much more. Support for this product in the main v4l-dvb repository is stuck behind the multiproto tree, and that's

Re: [linux-dvb] Future of Multiproto

2007-10-10 Thread Steven Toth
Markus Rechberger wrote: Manu Abraham wrote: Steven, Steven Toth wrote: Johannes / Manu, I'm actually pretty sad about the whole situation. The HVR4000 has been done for over a year, probably much more. Support for this product in the main v4l-dvb repository is stuck behind

Re: [linux-dvb] Future of Multiproto

2007-10-10 Thread Manu Abraham
Steven Toth wrote: If there is a defined workflow, this moaning will stop. With the moaning on there will be problems and blindly writing mails based on that, just adds in to the problems at large. Thanks for the feedback. I had some difficulties understanding parts of your email,

Re: [linux-dvb] Future of Multiproto

2007-10-10 Thread hermann pitton
Am Mittwoch, den 10.10.2007, 23:44 +0400 schrieb Manu Abraham: Steven Toth wrote: If there is a defined workflow, this moaning will stop. With the moaning on there will be problems and blindly writing mails based on that, just adds in to the problems at large. Thanks for the

Re: [linux-dvb] Future of Multiproto

2007-10-09 Thread Johannes Stezenbach
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007, Artem Makhutov wrote: I am wondering about the future of the Multiproto API. me too -- thanks for asking Will the Multiproto API be part of the upcoming DVB-API, is it just a short time solution to make the DVB-S2 devices work or is Multiproto the new DVB-API? For a

Re: [linux-dvb] Future of Multiproto

2007-10-09 Thread Steven Toth
Johannes Stezenbach wrote: On Sun, Oct 07, 2007, Artem Makhutov wrote: I am wondering about the future of the Multiproto API. me too -- thanks for asking Will the Multiproto API be part of the upcoming DVB-API, is it just a short time solution to make the DVB-S2 devices work

Re: [linux-dvb] Future of Multiproto

2007-10-09 Thread Manu Abraham
Steven, Steven Toth wrote: Johannes / Manu, I'm actually pretty sad about the whole situation. The HVR4000 has been done for over a year, probably much more. Support for this product in the main v4l-dvb repository is stuck behind the multiproto tree, and that's going nowhere. People have

[linux-dvb] Future of Multiproto

2007-10-07 Thread Artem Makhutov
Hi, I am wondering about the future of the Multiproto API. Will the Multiproto API be part of the upcoming DVB-API, is it just a short time solution to make the DVB-S2 devices work or is Multiproto the new DVB-API? What about Multiproto support by other application? Is/will VDR, MythTV or any