Re: Adsl - Linux vs. Win9x

2001-03-25 Thread Ben-Nes Michael
What I meant is that cisco has the the technology for the next 10 years. because the Nasdaq fashion all the company invested huge amount of money in research and the result was they current technology is (speed) years ahead. So now when money don't flow as before they cut with research and

Bloatware (OT)

2001-03-25 Thread Chen Shapira
Hi guys, Last week we had a nice discussion about bloatware, emacs and word. This week I found an interesting article about it: http://joel.editthispage.com/stories/storyReader$308 Enjoy. Chen. = To unsubscribe, send mail to

ISDN one more time, and an off-topic (perl) question.

2001-03-25 Thread Oded Arbel
Hi list! I have a simple perl question, if you please : I have a function that needs to return a hash (%) to the caller - it does so something like this : snip return %temp; /snip and I call it like this : snip %result = subname(params); /snip now, I want to detect when that functin fails

Re: ISDN one more time, and an off-topic (perl) question.

2001-03-25 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, Oded Arbel wrote: Hi list! I have a simple perl question, if you please : I have a function that needs to return a hash (%) to the caller - it does so something like this : snip return %temp; /snip and I call it like this : snip %result = subname(params); /snip

Re: ISDN one more time (and an off-topic (perl) question).

2001-03-25 Thread shaulka
On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 10:56:46AM +0200, Oded Arbel wrote: Hi list! I have a simple perl question, if you please : I have a function that needs to return a hash (%) to the caller - it does so something like this : snip return %temp; /snip and I call it like this : snip %result =

Re: Bloatware (OT)

2001-03-25 Thread guy keren
On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, Chen Shapira wrote: This week I found an interesting article about it: http://joel.editthispage.com/stories/storyReader$308 actually, i have landed on joel's site a few weeks back, and liked what he writes. and in what he wrote in this article - he's mostly right.

small bug in the xdm distributed with RH 7 (and rawhide)

2001-03-25 Thread Ariel Biener
Hi Alan, As usual, I don't know who to forward it to, and you seem to always deal with stuff so swiftly :) So, the small bug is actually the fact that /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config doesn't exist in the RedHat 7 and RawHide X11 distributions. This causes a few problems, among which:

Re: LIRC issues.

2001-03-25 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
On Sat, Mar 24, 2001 at 11:49:13PM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I was wondering if anyone is using a remote control on linux. I have Flyvido TVCard, and would like to use the remote control, I have LIRC 6.2, but I need also the kernel module for FlyVideo. Is it on the officail

Re: Bloatware (OT)

2001-03-25 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
guy keren [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: btw, i don't only see microsoft's products as bloated. the same goes for KDE, gnome and other graphic applications. IMHO a lot depends on your modus operandi. It is very easy to accuse, say, XEmacs of being bloated if you think in terms of starting a new

Re: Bloatware (OT)

2001-03-25 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, Chen Shapira wrote: Hi guys, Last week we had a nice discussion about bloatware, emacs and word. This week I found an interesting article about it: http://joel.editthispage.com/stories/storyReader$308 I agrre with some of his arguments, and disagree with others I'll

Re: ISDN one more time (and an off-topic (perl) question).

2001-03-25 Thread Oded Arbel
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Oded Arbel" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 14:08 Subject: Re: ISDN one more time (and an off-topic (perl) question). it loads the modules properly, sets everything up without a complaint, and

Re: ISDN one more time, and an off-topic (perl) question.

2001-03-25 Thread Oded Arbel
Thanks, but I hoped to not have to resort to references.. I will do it if I find no other way. any other ideas of doing it, in spirit, if not in form ? Oded -- Not so, just scared. Think of the poor lady who feared the metric system because she couldn't afford to have her gas tank removed from

Re: Bloatware (OT)

2001-03-25 Thread Uri Bruck
On 25 Mar 2001, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: guy keren [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: btw, i don't only see microsoft's products as bloated. the same goes for KDE, gnome and other graphic applications. IMHO a lot depends on your modus operandi. It is very easy to accuse, say, XEmacs of being

RE: Bloatware (OT)

2001-03-25 Thread Chen Shapira
(is there a Windows tool that allows one to quickly look at a couple of lines in a Word file, by the way, or is starting Word the only option?). wordpad opens word files and is lighter. (but giving windows advice on a linux list is sacrilege) I do consider Word "bloatware" (well, I also

Re: Bloatware (OT)

2001-03-25 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Chen Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do consider Word "bloatware" (well, I also think it's incredibly buggy, but that is off-topic), but for a different reason. A 2 page plain text document is quite likely to take 3 MB in my experience. Now I need to send 2 of these to someone by

Re: Bloatware (OT)

2001-03-25 Thread Herouth Maoz
On Sunday 25 March 2001 15:23, guy keren wrote: On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, Chen Shapira wrote: This week I found an interesting article about it: http://joel.editthispage.com/stories/storyReader$308 actually, i have landed on joel's site a few weeks back, and liked what he writes. and in what

Re: Bloatware (OT)

2001-03-25 Thread Daniel Feiglin
Hello! As far as I can see there are three main sources of measurable code-bloat: 1. Machine architecture e.g. how many bytes do you need to encode a register to resister move on a. an old 16 bit PDP 11 b. a not so old segmented architecture 8086 c. a you-beauty P4 screamer 2. The printf

RE: Bloatware (OT)

2001-03-25 Thread Chen Shapira
He says that feature bloat is good, because the 80/20 law is wrong. I think he ignores the obvious - you may say "the linux way", or probably the "linux distro way". The "Linux Distro Way" is a good subject for an MBA thesis. IMO Its the #1 reason Linux has any market share. Its the only

Bloatlist (was: Bloatware (OT))

2001-03-25 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 07:00:12PM +0200, Chen Shapira wrote: Can you please elaborate? (since this isn't linux related at all, you might as well answer me privately and avoid the war). Do you believe most of the recent flamewars and OT threads on linux-il were relevant at all? Over the last

RE: Bloatware (OT)

2001-03-25 Thread Chen Shapira
3. Sloppy coding on the principal that if it works, who cares, and, as the link below point out, disk and memory are cheap. That's part of the wasteful western "comsumer" culture in which we live. It's worse than planned obsolescence: It's selling goods known to be faulty, beyond the

Off topic (perl) answer :-)

2001-03-25 Thread oron
On 25-Mar-2001 Oded Arbel wrote: I have a simple perl question, if you please : I have a function that needs to return a hash (%) to the caller - it snip if (!defined %result) { You can cheat with typeglobs. Test this: $give_answer = 1; # check it with 0 sub foo { local %bar = (1 =

Re: Bloatlist (was: Bloatware (OT))

2001-03-25 Thread guy keren
On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: Do you believe most of the recent flamewars and OT threads on linux-il were relevant at all? some of this is not flame wars - it's exchanging opinions that are relevant to linux, in the sense that they hepl us choose services and method of work

RE: Bloatware (OT)

2001-03-25 Thread guy keren
On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, Chen Shapira wrote: BTW. I never saw a word processor that could pipe. They all read filesand output files from UI. actually, a few month back i had a discussion with my (now ex) flatmate about what does 'pipes' mean in GUI programming. we tried setting some groups for

RE: Bloatware (OT)

2001-03-25 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, Chen Shapira wrote: BTW. I never saw a word processor that could pipe. They all read filesand output files from UI. Here's one that sort-of pipes: http://siag.nu/index.shtml see: http://siag.nu/online-docs/common/plugins.html [Ilya: So this post is not entirely

Re: Writing multi-lingual terminal applications

2001-03-25 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Shlomi Fish wrote: How is it possible to write terminal applications that can display at least three different languages. (not simultaneously). A friend of mine wishes to do such a thing. AFAIK, all he needs to do is to adapt the output to the various codepages of the