Re: Essay about Free Software - in Hebrew

2002-08-14 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
On Wed, 2002-08-14 at 02:43, Nadav Har'El wrote: http://nadav.harel.org.il/essays/chofesh/ 1. Absoultly fscking briliant :-) 2. One nitpick - I would avoid pitting 'commercial software' (Tochna Misharit) againt 'free software' because it implies that free software cannot be commercial.

Re: Orange/Walla down

2002-08-14 Thread Barak Kaufman
without + should be 97254234567 On Wednesday 14 August 2002 04:39, Alon Altman wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Barak Kaufman wrote: http://allmoney.holm.ru/sendsms/ first field number with intl prefix second field message no advertisement is attached to the sent message Doesn't work. How

Raanaa Instalation Party

2002-08-14 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Howdie, My friend Tal Achituv is setting up an installation party at the Renanaim Kenyon in Raanana. Exact timing is tentativly set to 'somewhen in September'. I thought oif maybe trying to make a deal with the local computer store there to offer a good deal on HD on the day of the event which

Re: Essay about Free Software - in Hebrew

2002-08-14 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Eli Marmor wrote: By the way: has anybody ever translated The Cathedral and the Bazaar? To Hebrew? I don't think so. At the moment I'm in the midst of translating some of the Joel on Software articles to Hebrew. (check the Hackers-IL archives for links). I could start

CORRECTION - Re: Raanaa Instalation Party

2002-08-14 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
On Wed, 2002-08-14 at 12:15, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Anyone intersted in helping raise your hand and send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (you *MUST* raise your hand when you send the email. Yes, we will know if you faked it. We have ways and means... ). The email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] and not as

Re: Raanaa Instalation Party

2002-08-14 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On 14 Aug 2002, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Howdie, My friend Tal Achituv is setting up an installation party at the Renanaim Kenyon in Raanana. Exact timing is tentativly set to 'somewhen in September'. I thought oif maybe trying to make a deal with the local computer store there to offer a

Re: Essay about Free Software - in Hebrew

2002-08-14 Thread Moshe Zadka
On 14 Aug 2002, Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. One nitpick - I would avoid pitting 'commercial software' (Tochna Misharit) againt 'free software' because it implies that free software cannot be commercial. How about 'closed software' (Tochna Sgoora)? Good thought. Let me offer

Re: Raanaa Instalation Party

2002-08-14 Thread Moshe Zadka
On 14 Aug 2002, Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Pepole who are willing and able to help install Linux on other peoples machines. Count me in. I don't have a CD burner, so anyone in the mood for burning a couple of woodies and bringing them along yizke lemitzvot wulema'asim tovim.

Re: Raanaa Instalation Party

2002-08-14 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On 14 Aug 2002, Moshe Zadka wrote: On 14 Aug 2002, Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Q: Will there be an internet connection? (especially things like security updates come to mind, woody has some security problems which are fixed in security.d.o but not yet in a CD (there hasn't

Re: Raanaa Instalation Party

2002-08-14 Thread Amir Tal
On Wednesday 14 August 2002 13:35, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On 14 Aug 2002, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Howdie, My friend Tal Achituv is setting up an installation party at the Renanaim Kenyon in Raanana. Exact timing is tentativly set to 'somewhen in September'. I thought oif maybe trying

Netvision and cable modems

2002-08-14 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
Netvision has changed their way of accesing them via cable modem. I just received a call from my son telling me that I now have to use a dialer and they can't help him until the linux person comes in at 5pm. Anyone doing it know? What software do I need to download/install? Any other

RE: Netvision and cable modems

2002-08-14 Thread Michael Sternberg
Title: RE: Netvision and cable modems As far as I know - Netvision uses a very strange scheme of modem connection. You have to receive IP address from DHCP, then connect to PPtP (VPN) server at Netvision with your login+password, receive a new IP and still use your old one (received from

Re: Essay about Free Software - in Hebrew

2002-08-14 Thread Moshe Zadka
On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, I'd like to iterate, if it wasn't clear enough in the first place, that my essay about free software is what *I* think. I put it on my own page, it clearly has my name on the top, and it doesn't represent anyone on the list,

Re: Netvision and cable modems

2002-08-14 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
Michael Sternberg wrote: As far as I know - Netvision uses a very strange scheme of modem connection. You have to receive IP address from DHCP, then connect to PPtP (VPN) server at Netvision with your login+password, receive a new IP and still use your old one (received from DHCP

Re: Essay about Free Software - in Hebrew

2002-08-14 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Nadav, I expected better from you. Invalid arguments can have correct conclusions ;) Yes, it would be immoral to patent or hide the caviar-producing technology, but not because caviar tastes better, but because hiding technological knowledge is immoral. I always find it hilarious how some

Re: Essay about Free Software - in Hebrew

2002-08-14 Thread Moshe Zadka
On 14 Aug 2002, Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When people talk about what they think is moral for me to do with my belognings I send my hand to my gun... 'technological knowledge' or otherwise. I guess it all depends on how you define belongings.

AuthDBMUserFile problem (fwd)

2002-08-14 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
[I tried sending this to comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix , but got no reply. Can anybody suggest a way to go?] I am upgrading a system from Mandrake 7.0/apache 1.3.9(?) to Mandrake 8.2/apache 1.3.23 (with fixes). I am having problems accessing a DBM paswords file from an existing web

Re: Netvision and cable modems

2002-08-14 Thread Oleg
Absolutelly no freaking software is needed. Just create the pptp connection like in ADSL and ask support for details of configuration. This prooves once more...Netvision SUX!!! Oleg. - Original Message - From: Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: Netvision and cable modems

2002-08-14 Thread Barak Kaufman
from what i got from netvision ppl they switched to the same scheme they use for adsl thats normal pptp connection to their host auth etc ... so what u basically need to do is open a pptp session to cables.netvision.net.il and enter your login and password .. same way its used for adsl. On

Re: Netvision and cable modems

2002-08-14 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
On Wed, 2002-08-14 at 16:37, Amir Tal wrote: you need a pptp that netvision send to you (they call it pptp-linux) which you need to place in your /usr/sbin. Do they give also give you the *source* to that pptp-linux? :-) Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] Code mangler, senior

Re: Essay about Free Software - in Hebrew

2002-08-14 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I view the law as an approximation of Kant's Categorical Imperative - which means roughly (for people who are not familiar with Kant's theory) that if you want certain ethical rules to apply toward you (e.g., I should not be killed!) you must make them

Re: Netvision and cable modems

2002-08-14 Thread Amir Tal
On Wednesday 14 August 2002 17:38, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: On Wed, 2002-08-14 at 16:37, Amir Tal wrote: you need a pptp that netvision send to you (they call it pptp-linux) which you need to place in your /usr/sbin. Do they give also give you the *source* to that pptp-linux? :-) sure they

Re: Raanaa Instalation Party

2002-08-14 Thread Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader
Quoth Tzafrir Cohen: On 14 Aug 2002, Moshe Zadka wrote: However an internet connection is a great help to look for help. And there I am willing to do the simplest thing: bring a machine with a debian mirror ;-). M = To

Re: Essay about Free Software - in Hebrew

2002-08-14 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote about Re: Essay about Free Software - in Hebrew: Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I view the law as an approximation of Kant's Categorical Imperative - which means roughly (for people who are not familiar with Kant's theory) that if you

Re: Run daemon + Stop daemon in python

2002-08-14 Thread Eliran
Then how does fetchmail do that ? On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 09:16:29PM +0200, Eliran wrote: import os childpid = os.fork if (childpid == 0): child_stuff() else: os.exit() You definitely have to keep it somewhere outside the program, then. /var/run/foo/pid comes to

netvison cable part II

2002-08-14 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
Well, I got the VPN to work, but here's my next problem: It leaves me with a VPN with a far side address of 212.143.205.xxx. If I route packets to it, I can get to the internet. If I set a default rout to it, the VPN packets get lost. How do I set up the correct routing? Amir Tal sent me

Re: Essay about Free Software - in Hebrew

2002-08-14 Thread Ely Levy
Yep, if you change it like Moshe suggested than I for once wouldn't agree with an artical which support breaking the law. Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On 14 Aug 2002, Moshe Zadka wrote: On 14 Aug 2002, Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. One nitpick

Re: Essay about Free Software - in Hebrew

2002-08-14 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you want to declare philosophy arguments on this list off-topic, why are you starting one??? Pointing out that a *philosophical* conjecture was *empirically* wrong was an (admittedly feeble) attempt to explain *why* philosophy should be kept off this

Re: Essay about Free Software - in Hebrew

2002-08-14 Thread Ely Levy
that's why it's translating;) I mean you could traslate it to geek hebrew but then again people won't understand it do you can translate it from geekit to hebrew;) Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Eli

Re: Essay about Free Software - in Hebrew

2002-08-14 Thread Ely Levy
On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Wed, Aug 14, 2002, Moshe Zadka wrote about Re: Essay about Free Software - in Hebrew: ... [illegally copying commercial software] has a serious side-effect which people rarely consider: A child growing up using pirated software on one hand,

Re: netvison cable part II

2002-08-14 Thread Alex Chudnovsky
On Wednesday 14 August 2002 11:23, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: Well, I got the VPN to work, but here's my next problem: It leaves me with a VPN with a far side address of 212.143.205.xxx. If I route packets to it, I can get to the internet. If I set a default rout to it, the VPN packets get

RE: netvison cable part II

2002-08-14 Thread Arie Vayner
Hi I am sorry it took me some time to see this... I have to say that I am working for Netvision (please do not flame too bad...) - I am the network manager. Anyway, here is what has to be done: Before dialing (opening the vpn) do a netstat -rn or route -n Take the next hop of the default

Some Science Fiction Facts about Linux

2002-08-14 Thread Eli Marmor
Friends, before discussing the translation of essays about Linux to Hebrew, there are still experienced security experts who are quoted in the Israeli newspapers, that attack Linux for being... ..surprise! ..insecure, with back doors, and even pirate! (I can't understand HOW a Linux

linux sci-fi

2002-08-14 Thread Oleg Kobets
Hi! I am compiling perl-5.8.0 so I REALLY bored and I tried to find that article that NAME told us about. But I failed to find it and I searched the whole page. Maybe they understood their mistake and removed it ? ---Oleg KobetsClean-Mail AdministratorI.T.Swww.clean-mail.net

Re: netvison cable part II

2002-08-14 Thread Amir Tal
On Wednesday 14 August 2002 18:23, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: Well, I got the VPN to work, but here's my next problem: It leaves me with a VPN with a far side address of 212.143.205.xxx. If I route packets to it, I can get to the internet. If I set a default rout to it, the VPN packets get

Re: CORRECTION - Re: Raanaa Instalation Party

2002-08-14 Thread Moshe Zadka
On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In THEORY willing to cart in mirror of Debian CD's, too, but this is more complicated - depends on available space. If you don't have the place for a mirror of the CD images, it would be helpful to mirror the

Re: Raanaa Instalation Party

2002-08-14 Thread Amir Tal
On Wednesday 14 August 2002 19:17, Eliran wrote: how about giving away linux Cd's and T-shirt's \ hat's ? i am willing to take care of sponsoring it (either finding a sponsor or chipping in myself) anyone else interested ? Nice idea. If that will happen I may come... may come, or may come