Re: A second glibc on Linux ( there's a keren in the darkness )

2005-03-30 Thread Amir Binyamini
Bravo! It works! Blessed be you! I had tried : (changing the name module to hello.c and of executable to hello - I had seen before a recommendion not to use test as an executable in linux and I am aware of it) gcc -static -nostdlib hello.c /usr/lib/crt1.o /usr/lib/crti.o \ /usr/lib/crtn.o \

Re: high load ?

2005-03-30 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 09:25:29AM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Processes should never spend too much time in the D state. The very fact that certain activities mean you are almost guaranteed to see processes in the D state means there are bugs in the kernel. Why do you think so? D means

Re: high load ?

2005-03-30 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 09:25:29AM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: guy keren wrote: [snip] Processes should never spend too much time in the D state. The very fact that certain activities mean you are almost guaranteed to see processes in the D state means there are bugs in the kernel.

Re: high load ?

2005-03-30 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 09:25:29AM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Processes should never spend too much time in the D state. The very fact that certain activities mean you are almost guaranteed to see processes in the D state means there are bugs in the kernel. Why

Re: high load ?

2005-03-30 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: You may have to tweak the numbers a bit, but it seems about right. A different question is whether, under this scenario, the load average is still the right metric to look at? I think it is. If the load average is 2, my shell still have quite a queue to wait for being

Re: high load ?

2005-03-30 Thread Gabor Szabo
Firs of all, thanks for the responses. To get you more details to chew on. We found the problem and solved it but I would be glad to see how other would attack the problem with this extra information: Basically on every hit the database write a row in a table in MySQL. The server gets about 5

Re: Floppy image loaded from grub?

2005-03-30 Thread Kfir Lavi
On Wednesday 30 March 2005 02:35, guy keren wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, Kfir Lavi wrote: Hi, i would like to install netBSD. They have floppy image for this installation. I don't have floppy or cdrom attached to my computer. Can i load the image from the hard disk with grub? other

Re: Floppy image loaded from grub?

2005-03-30 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 11:20:49AM +0200, Kfir Lavi wrote: On Wednesday 30 March 2005 02:35, guy keren wrote: On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, Kfir Lavi wrote: Hi, i would like to install netBSD. They have floppy image for this installation. I don't have floppy or cdrom attached to my computer.

Re: high load ?

2005-03-30 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 10:36:07AM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: You may have to tweak the numbers a bit, but it seems about right. A different question is whether, under this scenario, the load average is still the right metric to look at? I think it is. If the

Re: A second glibc on Linux

2005-03-30 Thread Oron Peled
On Wednesday 30 March 2005 01:04, guy keren wrote: 1. never ever ever specify link flags before specifying the list of object files. don't ask me why - perhaps this is just a habbit. Because Unix/Linux linkers are designed to work in a single pass, so they must collect all the missing

Re: A second glibc on Linux ( there's a keren in the darkness )

2005-03-30 Thread Oron Peled
On Wednesday 30 March 2005 10:06, Amir Binyamini wrote: I had seen before a recommendion not to use test as an executable in linux and I am aware of it) Let's improve this recommendation a bit: 1. If you follow the recommendation *not* to put '.' (the current directory) in your $PATH.

Re: high load ?

2005-03-30 Thread Baruch Even
Gabor Szabo wrote: Firs of all, thanks for the responses. To get you more details to chew on. We found the problem and solved it but I would be glad to see how other would attack the problem with this extra information: Basically on every hit the database write a row in a table in MySQL. The

[OT]: Popularity of Different XML Formats/DTDs/Schemas

2005-03-30 Thread Eli Marmor
Hmmm, it's probably the most Off-Topic that has ever sent to this list, but I don't think there is a better Israeli list/forum to answer this question, and I don't want to bother a foreign list/forum that nobody there knows me: Is there any site that rates the various XML formats (or

Re: high load ?

2005-03-30 Thread Oron Peled
On Wednesday 30 March 2005 10:18, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: Why do you think so? D means that a process is holding a lock. Do you mean bugs in the sense of long lock holding times? Even worse, I have seen too many occasions when long actually was unbounded. When kernel code does uninterruptible

Re: high load ?

2005-03-30 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote about Re: high load ?: This is so only if you have load only on the CPU. If, for example, you only have one process running, but which does a lot of paging, your load average will be =1, but the responsiveness will be quite bad, as your shell will

Re: A second glibc on Linux ( there's a keren in the darkness )

2005-03-30 Thread guy keren
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Oron Peled wrote: To summarize: the folk tale about avoiding commands named test (or Nee, for that matter) is like trying to cure a virus with Aspirin. this is wrong, as it does not take into account the fact that a newcomer is sometimes accustomed to the DOS way, where

Re: A second glibc on Linux

2005-03-30 Thread guy keren
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Oron Peled wrote: On Wednesday 30 March 2005 01:04, guy keren wrote: 1. never ever ever specify link flags before specifying the list of object files. don't ask me why - perhaps this is just a habbit. Because Unix/Linux linkers are designed to work in a singlepass,

Re: high load ?

2005-03-30 Thread guy keren
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 09:25:29AM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Processes should never spend too much time in the D state. The very fact that certain activities mean you are almost guaranteed to see processes in the D state means there are

Re: A second glibc on Linux ( there's a keren in the darkness )

2005-03-30 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005, guy keren wrote about Re: A second glibc on Linux ( there's a keren in the darkness ): On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Oron Peled wrote: To summarize: the folk tale about avoiding commands named test (or Nee, for that matter) is like trying to cure a virus with Aspirin.

Re: high load ?

2005-03-30 Thread shimi
--=-WHb7yYBfPjIjPgE5Ple/ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 2005-03-30 at 10:42 +0200, Gabor Szabo wrote: Firs of all, thanks for the responses. To get you more details to chew on. We found the problem and solved it but I would be glad to see how other would

MySQL will defend you

2005-03-30 Thread Danny Lieberman
guys and gals here's a great reason to buy a MySQL license. A prospective client told me he was choosing MySQL over Postgres and Firebird for a system application that bundles a db because: a) MySQL has the most market share b) We spoke to MySQL and they told us that they will give us legal

Re: Floppy image loaded from grub?

2005-03-30 Thread Kfir Lavi
On Wednesday 30 March 2005 08:28, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: On Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 11:41:36PM +0200, Kfir Lavi wrote: Hi, i would like to install netBSD. They have floppy image for this installation. I don't have floppy or cdrom attached to my computer. Can i load the image from the

RE: creat print-only user

2005-03-30 Thread Livneh Ran
Thanks Tzafrir. I downloaded the pdmenu and rebuilt my menus and it's working great!!! Thanks for your help and tip. :-) Regards, Ran Livneh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tzafrir Cohen Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 2:17 PM To:

Re: A second glibc on Linux ( there's a keren in the darkness )

2005-03-30 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 05:40:41PM +0200, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Wed, Mar 30, 2005, guy keren wrote about Re: A second glibc on Linux ( there's a keren in the darkness ): On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Oron Peled wrote: To summarize: the folk tale about avoiding commands named test (or

Ftp Access.

2005-03-30 Thread Tal Rosenstein
Hello . i would like to question you a small problem that i have. I have created a wu-ftp on debian and gave the user the chroot [in wu-ftp/ftpaccess]. And i have 3 users on that server: incoming outgoing and inout basicly i dont want the users to be able to change their folders

Re: Ftp Access.

2005-03-30 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
Hi Tal, If you have a modern-enough version of the Linux Kernel and using ext3, you can turn on ACLs on your ext3 partition (add acl to your mount options) and set a default ACL (using the setfacl utility) on those directories. Then, no matter what ownership or mode those new files will have,

Re: A second glibc on Linux ( there's a keren in the darkness )

2005-03-30 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 01:02:23AM +0200, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Wed, Mar 30, 2005, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote about Re: A second glibc on Linux ( there's a keren in the darkness ): P.S. I disagree that having the current directory in the path is only the DOS way. It has always been the

Re: A second glibc on Linux ( there's a keren in the darkness )

2005-03-30 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote about Re: A second glibc on Linux ( there's a keren in the darkness ): P.S. I disagree that having the current directory in the path is only the DOS way. It has always been the Unix way too, and I still like it to this day. I think that many

Announce: SendSMS 3.10

2005-03-30 Thread Nadav Har'El
Luckily, the cellular providers have kept their sites unchanged for many months, so I did not have to make new releases of SendSMS. However, a few days ago, a good change happened: ICQ's site can now send SMSs also to Orange phones, not only to Pelephone and Cellcom like it did until recently.