Re: Looking for directions about compiling and tracing OpenJDK

2012-10-09 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Amos Shapira, from the post of Tue, 09 Oct: Hi, I have an idea which involves going somewhat deep into the bowls of the Java Jar class loader when using the official Oracle JDK 6 (and soon 7). To verify this I started looking at the JDK source code but it's not small and I'd like to

Current Video Card winning horse?

2012-10-09 Thread Ira Abramov
Ahoy maties! The time has come for me to upgrade some of my antique hardware, and I have ordered myself a nice mega-monitor with the ass-whooping resolution of 2550X1440. This means the old VGA on board won't do and I need to look at higher-end stuff (DVI-D at minimum). I googled this issue quite

Re: Current Video Card winning horse?

2012-10-09 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Hi, 2012/10/9 Ira Abramov lists-linux...@ira.abramov.org Ahoy maties! The time has come for me to upgrade some of my antique hardware, and I have ordered myself a nice mega-monitor with the ass-whooping resolution of 2550X1440. This means the old VGA on board won't do and I need to look at

Re: Looking for directions about compiling and tracing OpenJDK

2012-10-09 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
Hi Amos, I did something like this with the JarSigner code in order to reverse engineer it in C, which in the end I was able to do. IMHO, gdb is too high a granularity to get anything usable out of the JVM execution. I suspect that there is no alternative to sowing System.out.print's

Re: Looking for directions about compiling and tracing OpenJDK

2012-10-09 Thread Amos Shapira
Thanks to both of you. To give more details of what I'm after - I want to know whether the class bytecode address points into the mmap(2)'ed jar file or into malloc(3)'ed memory. I think I found part of the code path inside the jdk source which does this and now I'm trying to determine what are

Re: Looking for directions about compiling and tracing OpenJDK

2012-10-09 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
Hi Amos, Pardon me, what does the class loader have to do with JMX? - yba On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Amos Shapira wrote: Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 22:06:16 +1100 From: Amos Shapira amos.shap...@gmail.com To: Jonathan Ben Avraham y...@tkos.co.il Cc: linux-il linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Subject: Re: Looking

“In Technology Wars, Using the Patent as a Sword” - New York Times Feature

2012-10-09 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi all, LWN.net mentions here - http://lwn.net/Articles/518936/ - that the New York Times published a feature against software patents: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/08/technology/patent-wars-among-tech-giants-can-stifle-competition.html?_r=0 It also gives one especially damning quote: « In

Re: Looking for directions about compiling and tracing OpenJDK

2012-10-09 Thread Elazar Leibovich
Why do you need the Java source for that? Can't you use gdb, find out the the address of the mmap'ed area, and add a watchpoint there (scripted to log access and continue). On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Amos Shapira amos.shap...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to both of you. To give more details

Re: Current Video Card winning horse?

2012-10-09 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi Ira, On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 12:44:47 +0200 Ira Abramov lists-linux...@ira.abramov.org wrote: Ahoy maties! The time has come for me to upgrade some of my antique hardware, and I have ordered myself a nice mega-monitor with the ass-whooping resolution of 2550X1440. This means the old VGA on

Re: Looking for directions about compiling and tracing OpenJDK

2012-10-09 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Amos Shapira, from the post of Tue, 09 Oct: To give more details of what I'm after - I want to know whether the class bytecode address points into the mmap(2)'ed jar file or into malloc(3)'ed memory. I think I found part of the code path inside the jdk source which does this and now

Re: “In Technology Wars, Using the Patent as a Sword” - New York Times Feature

2012-10-09 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
Shlomi Fish wrote: One proponent of software patents on this list is Geoffrey, who claims it helped protect some obscure startups against people copying their ideas. However, given the huge and increasing spending on patent litigation, the problem of patent trolls and the fact that “In

Re: ???In Technology Wars, Using the Patent as a Sword??? - New York Times Feature

2012-10-09 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012, Shlomi Fish wrote about ???In Technology Wars, Using the Patent as a Sword??? - New York Times Feature: rover missions. Last year, for the first time, spending by Apple and Google on patent lawsuits and unusually big-dollar patent purchases exceeded spending on research

Re: Current Video Card winning horse?

2012-10-09 Thread Micha Feigin
I don't have experience with ATI but they should work. I don't know how the drivers are. NVIDIA works great for me, but I use the propriety drivers, not nouveau as I need the GPU for CUDA/OpenCL. CUDA is nvidia only, OpenCL at least under windows works on ATI, NVIDIA and ivy bridge Intel GPUs

Re: Current Video Card winning horse?

2012-10-09 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Micha Feigin mi...@post.tau.ac.il writes: If the CUDA code is older, you may be better getting the older 5xx series NVIDIAs, as NVIDIA did some hardware changes that makes writing code for kepler a bit harder. They also increased compute power but not memory speed, so not all codes benefit

Re: ???In Technology Wars, Using the Patent as a Sword??? - New York Times Feature

2012-10-09 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 03:09:55PM +0200, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2012, Shlomi Fish wrote about ???In Technology Wars, Using the Patent as a Sword??? - New York Times Feature: rover missions. Last year, for the first time, spending by Apple and Google on patent lawsuits and

Re: ???In Technology Wars, Using the Patent as a Sword??? - New York Times Feature

2012-10-09 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: | http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/22/google-closes-12-5-billion-deal-to-buy-motorola-mobility/ | (last visited May 24, 2012). Google has since said that of the $12.5B, $5.5 were | for patents, which is still a staggering sum. No, it's not. It's actually a meager

Re: Looking for directions about compiling and tracing OpenJDK

2012-10-09 Thread Amos Shapira
I was responding to Ira's suggestion to try to use JMX for that. On Oct 9, 2012 10:22 PM, Jonathan Ben Avraham y...@tkos.co.il wrote: Hi Amos, Pardon me, what does the class loader have to do with JMX? - yba On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Amos Shapira wrote: Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 22:06:16 +1100

Re: Looking for directions about compiling and tracing OpenJDK

2012-10-09 Thread Amos Shapira
I'd expect to need the source code to make sense from the gdb output, and maybe also to get the debug symbols. I thunk I already found at least part of the code path in the source, why shouldn't I take advantage of this info? What I wanted to know in my original question is whether anyone in

Re: Current Video Card winning horse?

2012-10-09 Thread Amos Shapira
(Piggy backing but is related) What about USB3 monitors? Are they a viable option yet? On Oct 9, 2012 9:45 PM, Ira Abramov lists-linux...@ira.abramov.org wrote: Ahoy maties! The time has come for me to upgrade some of my antique hardware, and I have ordered myself a nice mega-monitor with the

Re: Current Video Card winning horse?

2012-10-09 Thread Micha
If you want to start playing with CUDA and don't care about performance, but just want to get a feel for what different coding paradigms do, anything Fermi and up is a good start. NVIDIA started adding L1 and L2 caches from Fermi GPUs (400 series). Don't expect