On Mon, Sep 09, 2002, Oleg wrote about Re: [OT] proposed
israeli laws regarding internet and encryption:
Here is the relevant text:
...
Which means that if you bought F-Secure SSH in Israel then
you can use SSH
as long as you like.
What this basically means is that if a specific
Aviram Jenik wrote:
But no, there are no exceptions to the law (such as small key size,
domestic use only, etc). Theoretically you must get a license for your
ROT13 feature in Mozilla. Practically they will not come after you
unless you are a big fish.
Ok, I'll bite. Anyone ever heard of
Hi,
Aviram Jenik wrote:
Practically they will not come after you
unless you are a big fish.
Ok, I'll bite. Anyone ever heard of a big fish they came after?
Depending on what you call come after. Our story is similar to the Eli
Biham story you wrote about. They approached us
Aviram Jenik wrote:
I totally disagree. The law is bad - it is badly phrased and makes no
practical sense. By some sheer luck, it is implemented correctly and
logically by the people who are currently responsible. But that's a
mutation - a freak of nature. Don't count on it to survive the
Aviram Jenik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The law is bad - it is badly phrased and makes no practical
sense. By some sheer luck, it is implemented correctly and logically
by the people who are currently responsible.
NB: correctly != to spec. In the end, someone will pay for it.
--
Oleg
On Tue, 2002-09-10 at 12:11, Aviram Jenik wrote:
I totally disagree. The law is bad - it is badly phrased and makes no
practical sense. By some sheer luck, it is implemented correctly and
logically by the people who are currently responsible. But that's a
mutation - a freak of nature. Don't
On Tue, Sep 10, 2002, Aviram Jenik wrote about RE: [OT] proposed israeli laws
regarding internet and encryption:
I totally disagree. The law is bad - it is badly phrased and makes no
practical sense. By some sheer luck, it is implemented correctly and
logically by the people who are currently
On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote:
On Mon, Sep 09, 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about Re: [OT] proposed israeli laws
regarding internet and encryption:
Yes, but they try to scare us here from small group of not
highly-organized terrorists. In this context if the technology is
availble
On Tue, Sep 10, 2002, Uri Bruck wrote about Re: [OT] proposed israeli laws regarding
internet and encryption:
In the US, supporters of the second amendment, like the NRA (National Rifle
Association) and ESR (Eric S. Raymond ;) see http://tuxedo.org/~esr/guns/)
have the saying If guns were
Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
by civilians, or carrying automatic weapons) or what do militias have
anything to do with it (supposedly this part is a relic from the time when
having a federal army was considered a Bad Thing).
AFAIK, the original motivation for the Amendment was that
On Tue, Sep 10, 2002, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote about Re: [OT] proposed israeli laws
regarding internet and encryption:
Absolutely. As I mentioned, in most places carrying (concealed)
weapons is forbidden. Basically, you can only keep a gun at home.
Interestingly, carrying weapons openly
Actually it is not about proposed laws. It is about an initiative to
create such proposals. But the subject of my message was long enough:
http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasite/pages/ShArtPE.jhtml?itemNo=206232
(Free registration, is required. Unless you disable javascript, that is)
One note:
On Mon, Sep 09, 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about [OT] proposed israeli laws regarding
internet and encryption:
The legitlators accept the position of the Security Forces according to
which limiting the use of encryption and limiting the distribution of
sophisticated security systems
Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
One note: people there seem to be quite clueless regarding the
distribution of encryption technologies:
The legitlators accept the position of the Security Forces according to
which limiting the use of encryption and limiting the distribution of
On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote:
On Mon, Sep 09, 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about [OT] proposed israeli laws
regarding internet and encryption:
Note that there's a difference between allowing export or importing some
encryption technology, and allowing actually using it. If you
One note: people there seem to be quite clueless regarding the
distribution of encryption technologies:
The legitlators accept the position of the Security Forces according to
which limiting the use of encryption and limiting the distribution of
sophisticated security systems will
, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about [OT] proposed israeli laws
regarding internet and encryption:
The legitlators accept the position of the Security Forces according to
which limiting the use of encryption and limiting the distribution of
sophisticated security systems will help the defense
On Mon, Sep 09, 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about Re: [OT] proposed israeli laws
regarding internet and encryption:
Yes, but they try to scare us here from small group of not
highly-organized terrorists. In this context if the technology is
availble it can be used, whether it is legal
On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Dvir Volk wrote:
One note: people there seem to be quite clueless regarding the
distribution of encryption technologies:
The legitlators accept the position of the Security Forces according to
which limiting the use of encryption and limiting the distribution of
On 9 Sep 2002, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am afraid this line of reasoning is difficult to explain to
legislators, or indeed to any audience sufficiently remote from this
list's core population. That is why what you call cheap use of the
terror threat
Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In the US, supporters of the second amendment, like the NRA (National Rifle
Association) and ESR (Eric S. Raymond ;) see http://tuxedo.org/~esr/guns/)
have the saying If guns were outlawed, only outlaws would have guns!.
I didn't weant to raise the gun
http://www.mod.gov.il/modh1/encryption/index.html
Orr Dunkelman wrote:
A) It is Tzav Hatzofen (it is a Tzav which Minsiter of Diffence (Sar
Habitachun) is authorized to change.
B) It was changed several yearsr ago, and you can use encryption as much
as you like (I think up to 128-bit secret
Wrong. That SEEMS to be the case for free means
(http://www.mod.gov.il/modh1/encryption/tzav.htm#x0111), but the list
(http://www.mod.gov.il/modh1/encryption/tzofend.htm) doesn't seem to
include SSH. I will reserve what I said in that I have not read the
entire list (they have a seperate PDF
On Mon, Sep 09, 2002, Oleg wrote about Re: [OT] proposed israeli laws regarding
internet and encryption:
2. You may USE any product you want, even if it's not on the list if you
only using it, not development or selling, etc.
Where did you read that?? According to the turtle
(http
Shachar Shemesh wrote:
(http://www.mod.gov.il/modh1/encryption/tzofend.htm) doesn't seem to
Of all the products that I recognize on this list (i.e., most of them),
not even one includes reasonably secure encryption. The only exceptions
I could spot are the encryption stuff built into
Where did you read that?? According to the turtle
(http://www.mod.gov.il/modh1/encryption/tzav.htm),
You need a license except for uses where a license is exempt; License
is exempt for buying, using, selling, etc., of a free means, where here
free has nothing to do with free-software, but
On Mon, Sep 09, 2002, Oleg wrote about Re: [OT] proposed israeli laws regarding
internet and encryption:
Here is the relevant text:
...
Which means that if you bought F-Secure SSH in Israel then you can use SSH
as long as you like.
What this basically means is that if a specific software
On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 16:13, Eran Tromer wrote:
Shachar Shemesh wrote:
(http://www.mod.gov.il/modh1/encryption/tzofend.htm) doesn't seem to
Of all the products that I recognize on this list (i.e., most of them),
not even one includes reasonably secure encryption. The only exceptions
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