On Sat, 25 Dec 1999, Adam Morrison wrote:
netcat.Sometimes
telnet, with all its handshaking, will even take you back into
problemland. Netcat
is clean.
Um, that's not why nc is better than telnet for ``debugging
protocols''. From the telnet man page: ``When connecting to ports
I'm almost sure and dont' kill me if I'm wrong that ssh works above the
telnet protocol and not replacing it..
sperate between dissing the telnet protocl the telnetd and the telnet
client:)
maybe one day ssh would replace telnetd but meanwhile for comptibilty with
the rest of the world telnted
On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Ely Levy wrote:
I'm almost sure and dont' kill me if I'm wrong that ssh works above the
telnet protocol and not replacing it..
ely, i don't know where you bring these odd claims from, but:
1. ssh does not sit on top of telnet. it sits on top of tcp.
2. ftp also does not
Ely Levy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm almost sure and dont' kill me if I'm wrong that ssh works above the
telnet protocol and not replacing it..
We won't kill you in any case. If you are really interested you can
try and figure it out from RFC-854 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc854.html)
and
I'm almost sure and dont' kill me if I'm wrong that ssh works above the
telnet protocol and not replacing it..
Uh, it works ``above the telnet protocol'' in as much as FTP, SMTP, or
HTTP work ``above the telnet protocol''.
maybe one day ssh would replace telnetd but meanwhile for
although I'm not sure I said part of the things I said were
misunderstood:)
am too tired to try to explain and I would accept your corrections:)
sweet night to you all:)
llp
Ely
On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, guy keren wrote:
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| On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Ely Levy wrote:
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| I'm almost sure and
Ohh come on...
can you compile ssh on all platforms?
ssh is not even GNU..it has some crappy licence to use it
and openssh is not good enough to be used yet
not mention ssh did have some exploite in it
and that telnet is a protocol widely used from ftp to http and by other
protocols..so don't
"Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo" wrote:
Oh. "Some". Which ones? RSAREF bug, that couldn't be seen in Israel?
Obscure cryptography weakness, that in no way could make it weaker than
telnet? Something else?
From the SSH FAQ:
[SNIP]
9.2. Known security bugs with SSH
All versions of ssh
If you compile in on sun I would be happy to know about it:)
I'm preety sure ssh is protected as well..
and maybe I'm not usa/canadian citizen but usa+canada make a large part
of the net we should think about them too?:P
llp
Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel
On Wed,
On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Ely Levy wrote:
I compiled it on both SunOS Solaris.
--Ariel
If you compile in on sun I would be happy to know about it:)
I'm preety sure ssh is protected as well..
and maybe I'm not usa/canadian citizen but usa+canada make a large part
of the net we should think
Ely Levy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you compile in on sun I would be happy to know about it:)
bash-2.02$ uname -srv
SunOS 5.6 Generic_105181-03
bash-2.02$ ssh -V
SSH Version 1.2.26 [sparc-sun-solaris2.6], protocol version 1.5.
Standard version. Does not use RSAREF.
--
Oleg Goldshmidt |
On Thu, 23 Dec 1999, Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo wrote:
And the current is .27, not? So what's the prob?
You'd be surprised at the number of places where the latest
version is NOT to be found.
IT Hardly obscure cryptographic weaknessess, and some have been seen "in
IT the
On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Ely Levy wrote:
Ohh come on...
can you compile ssh on all platforms?
yes.
ssh is not even GNU..it has some crappy licence to use it
it's the best there is for now, and it's free enough for me. I don't use
ssh2 either.
and openssh is not good enough to be used yet
so
telnet is not a protocol, it's a service.
A common mistake, it seems. Telnet is very much a protocol,
as stated in RFC 854 (Postel, Reynolds).
Just a nitty-picky 0.02 NIS.
--izar
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Bindview Corporation
Security Engineer - HackerShield
On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Izar Tarandach wrote:
telnet is not a protocol, it's a service.
A common mistake, it seems. Telnet is very much a protocol,
as stated in RFC 854 (Postel, Reynolds).
Just a nitty-picky 0.02 NIS.
you and Ury :-)
yes, I'm well aware it's a complex protocol with
Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't think there's a Unix it [ssh1 - OG] WON'T compile on.
Just look at http://www.ssh.org/portability.html
--
Oleg Goldshmidt | BLOOMBERG L.P. (BFM) | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"... We work by wit, and not by witchcraft;
And wit depends on dilatory time."
the fact something is open source doesn't make it freeware
Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel
On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Ira Abramov wrote:
| On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Ely Levy wrote:
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| If you compile in on sun I would be happy to know about it:)
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| I don't think
EL Ohh come on...
EL can you compile ssh on all platforms?
Why not? Every POSIX platform could do. And for Win32 there are many
implementations too. It's open protocol, AFAIK.
EL ssh is not even GNU..it has some crappy licence to use it
Who cares about license? I'm not going to sell,
EL If you compile in on sun I would be happy to know about it:)
I used SSH on Solaris (x86, though, but they couldn't differ *so* much,
not?) for years...
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] \/ There shall be counsels taken
Stanislav Malyshev /\ Stronger than Morgul-spells
phone +972-3-9316425
Ira Abramov wrote:
ssh lets me avoid having my password snooped, my remote activities
spied upon, and let's me log in as remote root. Telnet is so passe it
should be taken out and shot in our day and age. the client is still
great for debugging though, by connecting to random TCP ports and
Ira Abramov wrote:
if you want to do it real good: remove in.telnetd, rshd, talkd and
whatever from the machine. in fact I don't run inetd at all on any
machine anymore. and for remote terminal I only use ssh.
Wow!, wont that be chopping your head as a cure for a bad cold ?...
What
On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Boaz Rymland wrote:
if you want to do it real good: remove in.telnetd, rshd, talkd and
whatever from the machine. in fact I don't run inetd at all on any
machine anymore. and for remote terminal I only use ssh.
What about telneting from local machines? FTPing for
As for the ideas about this HOWTO - I think it should be a miniHOWTO as
it just cant describe with great detail all the needed material - simply
because the needed material is a big part of Linux networking... .
I do think it deserves a howto. it will include dialup, basic
firewalling,
BR Wow!, wont that be chopping your head as a cure for a bad cold ?...
BR What about telneting from local machines? FTPing for file transfers
Telnet must die. There's no telnet anymore, there's SSH. Why you need
telnet if you have SSH? Just because you have a (particullary bad) telnet
client in
On Sun, 19 Dec 1999, Boaz Rymland wrote:
if you promiss to read some about IPCHAINS and a masquarading howto or
two, I'll give you the script I use, which makes my machine both a
masquarader and a firewall.
(*finger raised politely*) I already read it!, can I have those scripts,
please
BTW, it all makes me wonder - is there a "home networking HOWTO"
somewhere ?
you didn't write it yet! :-)
Thats a nice idea.
Although most of the topics are probably allready covered somewhere else,
and the topic is a bit big for a howto.
Fetchmail should be covered.
Security and
On Sun, 19 Dec 1999, Ilya Konstantinov wrote:
Ira Abramov wrote:
http://www.scso.com/linux/firewall.init.html
First of all, Four-Oh-Four there :)
And second, add .png as image/png in the mimetypes list.
Otherwise, this tea-party image (in /linux, whatever it is :) loads as
plaintext.
BTW, it all makes me wonder - is there a "home networking HOWTO"
somewhere ?
I believe that this is discussed in almost every issue among the last 10 issues of
linux-gazette.
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