Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-02-01 Thread Micha Feigin
solved my problems, it turns out that I was subscribed using an aliased email (just shows how long I'm on the list, haven't used that in about 7 years I think. I'm surprised tau left the alias). Thanks On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:07:36 +0200 Barry.R big...@zahav.net.il wrote: On Friday 30 January

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-02-01 Thread Barry.R
On Friday 30 January 2009 22:04:59 Micha Feigin wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:06:55 +0200 Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz wrote: [...] I could understand the use for reply to list when some people would get double the emails against their wishes. This, however, is no longer an issue

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-31 Thread Shachar Shemesh
If I'm summarizing your argument correctly, you are saying that mailing list discussions should ALWAYS be public, no matter what. That it is the mailing list that I'm conversing with, and not the individuals who participate in the mailing list thread. It is an interesting notion. One I

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-31 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Shachar Shemesh wrote: If I'm summarizing your argument correctly, you are saying that mailing list discussions should ALWAYS be public, no matter what. That it is the mailing list that I'm conversing with, and not the individuals who participate in the mailing list thread. On further

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-31 Thread Nadav Har'El
Hi Shachar and Oleg, I decided to reply now just so it be known that Oleg's opinion isn't bizarre or outlandish, but rather an opinion held by many. I agree with every word that Oleg said on this subject. On Sat, Jan 31, 2009, Shachar Shemesh wrote about Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-31 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz wrote: Shachar Shemesh wrote: If I'm summarizing your argument correctly, you are saying that mailing list discussions should ALWAYS be public, no matter what. That it is the mailing list that I'm conversing with, and not

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-31 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Nadav Har'El wrote: When I was a child, one of the most important rules of etiquette that I learned was that there should be no secrets in company Just so my position is clear. I will stress again that the default should be that the list be CCed. I just think this should be done with a reply

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-31 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009, Shachar Shemesh wrote about Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started: Would you want to be in a mailing list where a few people get the list's message more quickly then you do (because they're on the CC - Shachar wants this to happen) so whenever you read

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-31 Thread Dotan Cohen
2009/1/30 Oleg Goldshmidt p...@goldshmidt.org: Well, this whole topic is almost as old as Linux-IL, but since we are at it again... IMHO, the reply-to-all to send to the list paradigm is totally broken. If I send a message to a discussion mailing list such as Linux-IL I expect any responses to

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-31 Thread Dotan Cohen
I should also mention that if one is not careful and presses Reply instead of Reply To All, the reply is off-list! So many times I've gotten private mail from _this_list_ when I'm certain it was meant to be public. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-31 Thread Shachar Shemesh
I think this is a good point to agree to disagree. Shachar ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-31 Thread Dotan Cohen
2009/1/31 Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz: I think this is a good point to agree to disagree. What is, Shachar? You didn't quote anything. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-31 Thread Micha Feigin
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:06:55 +0200 Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz wrote: [...] I could understand the use for reply to list when some people would get double the emails against their wishes. This, however, is no longer an issue with most modern mailing list managers. Well, at the

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-31 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Micha Feigin wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:06:55 +0200 Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz wrote: [...] I could understand the use for reply to list when some people would get double the emails against their wishes. This, however, is no longer an issue with most modern mailing list

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-30 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Micha Feigin wrote: At least the behaviour with claws mail at the moment, reply to list correctly recognizes linux-il which is good. Previously I've sent private mails instead of list mails a lot of times because I'm used to using reply to list for all others and I don't remember to switch.

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-30 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 12:06:55PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Here is the situation as I see it: Reply to all: You respect each individual's preferences regarding how many copies they want to receive. Reply: You want to send a private reply, only to the sender (impossible when the list has

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-30 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 12:06:55PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Here is the situation as I see it: Reply to all: You respect each individual's preferences regarding how many copies they want to receive. Reply: You want to send a private reply, only to the sender

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-30 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 12:55:47PM +0200, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 12:06:55PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Here is the situation as I see it: Reply to all: You respect each individual's preferences regarding how many copies they want to receive. Reply: You want

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-30 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Well, this whole topic is almost as old as Linux-IL, but since we are at it again... IMHO, the reply-to-all to send to the list paradigm is totally broken. If I send a message to a discussion mailing list such as Linux-IL I expect any responses to be sent to the list, period. If I reply to a

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-30 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: The only sane and foolproof method is to have mailman set the Reply-To field to the list address. This is a fantastically appropriate moment to do it. If you want to bring THAT discussion up, then at the very least address the stated shortcomings of your proposed

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-30 Thread Micha Feigin
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:45:33 +0200 Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz wrote: Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: The only sane and foolproof method is to have mailman set the Reply-To field to the list address. This is a fantastically appropriate moment to do it. If you want to bring THAT

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-30 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Micha Feigin wrote: That is true, setting reply-to to point to the list is not a good solution. The proper solution is to set the list header so that modern MUA can use the reply to list button. Reply-to should reply to sender, reply-to-list should reply to list. Don't confuse the

Meta-suggestion about conduct of discussions (was: Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started)

2009-01-30 Thread Omer Zak
May I suggest that someone open a Web page, which will summarize the main points (both pro and con) of the discussion so far? Once such a Web page exists and is available for modifications (such as being a Wiki), we can start enforcing the netiquette of expecting people to say something only if

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-30 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz wrote: They are listed at http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html, but the ones I mostly want answered are these two: * With reply to set to the list, the failure mode is catastrophic, while with it not, the

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-29 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 07:39:38AM +1100, Amos Shapira wrote: Somehow GMail seems to be able to do that - When I take part in, or start, a mailing list thread which is filtered to another folder (tagged with mailing list tag using a GMail filter) GMail will start showing this thread *also* in

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-29 Thread Micha Feigin
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:56:01 +0200 Geoffrey S. Mendelson g...@mendelson.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 03:00:04PM +0200, Herouth Maoz wrote: I prefer it over using reply to all because I can then easily scan my outbox and detect which messages I sent to the list. What bugs me is

The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-28 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Hi all, As Ely wrote before, the list is now running on Mailman. Everyone's profiles should have been moved. Most of the following are relevant for any Mailman managed list, but I know things have been heated about these subjects here in the past, so I'll repeat some of them. First, as you

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-28 Thread Herouth Maoz
Quoting Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz: Linux-IL is a list with no added reply-to list header. You are kindly requested to hit reply to all when replying to postings arriving from the list. Don't worry about people getting two copies. When mailman notices that your email is in the To or

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-28 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 03:00:04PM +0200, Herouth Maoz wrote: I prefer it over using reply to all because I can then easily scan my outbox and detect which messages I sent to the list. What bugs me is people who send emails to 4 or 5 lists and then if I reply to all, which normally gives a

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-28 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Herouth Maoz wrote: I prefer it over using reply to all because I can then easily scan my outbox and detect which messages I sent to the list. But I prefer you didn't. Mails arriving from the list go into the linux-il folder. Emails sent directly to me are left in my inbox. I read my inbox

Re: The new linux-il - a few tips to get you (re)started

2009-01-28 Thread Amos Shapira
2009/1/29 Shachar Shemesh shac...@shemesh.biz: Herouth Maoz wrote: I prefer it over using reply to all because I can then easily scan my outbox and detect which messages I sent to the list. But I prefer you didn't. Mails arriving from the list go into the linux-il folder. Emails sent