Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost

2002-07-22 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Orna Agmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Linux is complicated, becasue you compile. Corollary: Windows is simple because no compiler comes with the system... -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] IBM is a pretty big company. [W. Gates]

killing uninterruptible sleep process

2002-07-22 Thread Sagi Bashari
Hi I logged in to one of my servers today and noticed that the load average is very high. After investigating the problem I found two processes in D stat (uninterruptible sleep): root 24344 0.0 0.2 1532 584 ?DN Jul21 0:01 /usr/bin/updatedb -f NFS,SMBFS,NCPFS,PROC,DEVPTS -e

Re: killing uninterruptible sleep process

2002-07-22 Thread guy keren
On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Sagi Bashari wrote: I logged in to one of my servers today and noticed that the load average is very high. After investigating the problem I found two processes in D stat (uninterruptible sleep): root 24344 0.0 0.2 1532 584 ?DN Jul21 0:01

Why do we need uninterruptible sleep? (was: Re: killing uninterruptiblesleep process)

2002-07-22 Thread Omer Zak
Why then there is such a thing as uninterruptible sleep in Unix/Linux? What useful purpose (besides full Posix conformance) does this serve? On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, guy keren wrote: On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Sagi Bashari wrote: [... snipped ...] Their parent- pid 1532 is already dead. My

Re: Why do we need uninterruptible sleep? (was: Re: killing uninterruptible sleep process)

2002-07-22 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Mon, Jul 22, 2002, Omer Zak wrote about Why do we need uninterruptible sleep? (was: Re: killing uninterruptible sleep process): Why then there is such a thing as uninterruptible sleep in Unix/Linux? What useful purpose (besides full Posix conformance) does this serve? As far as I know,

Re: Why do we need uninterruptible sleep? (was: Re: killinguninterruptible sleep process)

2002-07-22 Thread guy keren
On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Omer Zak wrote: Why then there is such a thing as uninterruptible sleep in Unix/Linux? What useful purpose (besides full Posix conformance) does this serve? cause in some situations, you cannot afford to be interrupted. for example, when you have a mutex you own, and you

Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost

2002-07-22 Thread Eliran
I meant that installation should be much more user-friendly so that a general user will be able to install it alone. -- a href=http://www.rootshell.be/~eg;Eliran G./a - Original Message - From: Orna Agmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Eliran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED];

Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost

2002-07-22 Thread Eliran
A computer is a complecated system. When something is broken in your house you can either fix it yourself (if you know how), ask a friend to fix it for you, or call a shiputznik. Quite the same with computers. But installations *should* be a basic and easy to use thing, at least that what

Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost

2002-07-22 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Eliran wrote: A computer is a complecated system. When something is broken in your house you can either fix it yourself (if you know how), ask a friend to fix it for you, or call a shiputznik. Quite the same with computers. But installations *should* be a basic

Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost

2002-07-22 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Eliran [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Some windows users (that I know) *don't* know how to install the OS. If we want these kind of users to use linux, we at least should make the installation easier. True story: Yesterday night an acquaintance asked me to help her with her computer. She was

Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost

2002-07-22 Thread Eliran
My whole point is that installations as a general thing should be easy to use, especially OS's installations... Unless you want only gurus and techies to use the OS... Currently I'm trying to help a newbie to install linux but he gets errors in the installation, that's what he get : hda:hewelt

Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost

2002-07-22 Thread Eliran
Of course there are some exceptions, not all users care about the installation or reading/writing documents. But most do care. About the games it's depend about what kind of games... Graphic games such as Quake 1-3 and Unreal works there even better than on win machines, games are available to

RE: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost

2002-07-22 Thread Michael Sternberg
Title: RE: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost You can not compare seriously quantity and quality of games on Windows and Linux. And this is major use of computer at the most family homes... :( -- -Original Message- -- From: Eliran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] -- Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002

Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost

2002-07-22 Thread Eliran
Title: RE: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost Not quality, it's the usage of the power of the video card. --a href="http://www.rootshell.be/~eg"Eliran G./a - Original Message - From: Michael Sternberg To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: RE:

Cracking lessons for teenagers

2002-07-22 Thread Eliran
http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-2014694,00.html What is happening with Ynet ? once they use the term 'cracker' and another they use 'hacker'... -- a href=http://www.rootshell.be/~eg;Eliran G./a = To unsubscribe, send mail

Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost

2002-07-22 Thread Yotam Rubin
On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 05:51:15PM +0200, Eliran wrote: About the games it's depend about what kind of games... Graphic games such as Quake 1-3 and Unreal works there even better than on win machines, games are available to purchase from locki. Ehem, Loki's dead, has been for quite some

Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost

2002-07-22 Thread Guy Baruch
Eliran wrote: Quake 1-3 and Unreal works there even better than on win machines, games are available to purchase from locki. sorry to point the obvious here, but loki went down in a mantle of flames (have I gotten my mythologies mixed up ? o:-) ) so no, there are no serious new games for

Re: Cracking lessons for teenagers

2002-07-22 Thread Alex Chudnovsky
On Monday 22 July 2002 12:13, Eliran wrote: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-2014694,00.html What is happening with Ynet ? once they use the term 'cracker' and another they use 'hacker'... Maybe, but just maybe, the reason is two different journalists having two different opinions?

Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost

2002-07-22 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Eliran [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Some windows users (that I know) *don't* know how to install the OS. If we want these kind of users to use linux, we at least should make the installation easier. For the record, me and another member of this list were paid for aprox. 3 years for building

Re: Cracking lessons for teenagers

2002-07-22 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
On Tue, 2002-07-23 at 06:09, Alex Chudnovsky wrote: What they aren't right in, IMHO, is that such 13 y.o teenagers should get some life on their vacation instead of spending 18(sic!) hours a day at a computer - actually becoming computeroholics. Oh, right, they should play some more

Looking to grab 1MB of memory from an old {ISA,VLB,PCI} display adapter.

2002-07-22 Thread Shaul Karl
I am looking for an old SVGA adapter to grab 2 of its memory chips. I believe I am looking for chips that were popular on the latest generation of {ISA,VLB} display adapters or early generations of PCI display adapters. This imply that if you have such an adapter there is some probability

Less competition outside of MS-Windows (was: Re: Desktop Linux -- Linux lost)

2002-07-22 Thread Omer Zak
On 22 Jul 2002, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: As for the 'Linux Lost' hugwash, I see where all my Windows-centric *programers* friends ended up working (if at all) and I see where I and other Linux people work and I know that *we* have won and will continue to win. All the rest is just intertia.