Re: time stamp of LV creation?

2008-07-17 Thread Lior Kaplan
I don't about the straight forward answer to your question, but you may
found the data in the LVM logs (if not too many operation were done).

Amos Shapira wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Is there any way to find out when was an LVM2 volume last:
 1. Created
 2. Accessed
 3. Modified?
 
 I'm looking for something similar to inode's ctime/mtime/atime.
 
 Otherwise - is there a way to attach some arbitrary attribute onto the
 volume's meta-data, so an automatic script can record things it does
 to the volume?
 
 I'm asking this because I regularly rebuild Xen DomU's inside Logical
 Volumes (on CentOS 5) and would like to have a feel of the age of
 volumes I find lying around (there is a limit to how far a naming
 convention can take you). I can probably record in files inside the
 volumes but then it's a bit complicated to access these files from the
 Dom0 (need to kpartx the volume, mount it etc).
 
 Thanks,
 
 --Amos
 
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Re: time stamp of LV creation?

2008-07-17 Thread Amos Shapira
2008/7/17 Lior Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I don't about the straight forward answer to your question, but you may
 found the data in the LVM logs (if not too many operation were done).

Thanks but that wouldn't take me any further than where I am now.

You see - in order to record the data from the LVM logs I'll have to
copy it somewhere. I already have this information since it's the time
when the script which created the LVM runs.

What I hope is to find a way to record the data together with the LVM
itself (or better - just get it from the LVM's automatically
maintained meta data) instead of having to keep a separate database of
LVM creation times.

Cheers,

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Dropbear SSH

2008-07-17 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Hi everybody,

Does anyone have experience with DropBear SSH server/client
(http://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear.html)? The context is an
embedded product with AMCC PPC460, Linux (say, 2.6.25 or later), and
busybox (1.10 or later) as the base, being defined/designed now. The
target audience is top tier customers, such as governments,
Fortune-whatever companies, major financial institutions, etc. SSH
access is essential (need ssh client, sshd, ssh-keygen, scp, whatever
dependencies there are).

Busybox does not provide SSH functionality by itself, and recommends
Dropbear (http://busybox.net/tinyutils.html). I would like to be quite
sure that DropBear has the functionality and the security that the
target market requires.

So far, what I see in the docs is as follows:

* Judging by Changelog, Dropbear is in version 0.51, and the
development is not very active. This may be because it is very stable
and very secure, or may be because there are not many development
resources.

* Uses LibTomCrypt rather than SSL - can anyone comment on
security/functionality?

I see my choces as DropBear vs. OpenSSH, compiled and linked for
busybox. I am not particularly concerned about CPU or RAM, but I have
a rather serious shortage of (flash) storage in the system. In our
estimate, OpenSSH will take at least 10 times more storage than
DropBear (between 1.2 and 1.5M rather than 110K Dropbear claims).

What I am interested to know is whether DropBear is a good substitute
for OpenSSH in terms of:

* functionality
* full compatibility
* security
* stability
* etc.

Any comments/experiences? Thanks a lot in advance,

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Re: Dropbear SSH

2008-07-17 Thread Ori Idan
My customer is using dropbear.
It is easy to compile and use.
We did connected to it from SSH client and also tried reverse SSH.
It seem to be very stable.
As for security I don't have enough experience to comment.

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On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi everybody,

 Does anyone have experience with DropBear SSH server/client
 (http://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear.html)? The context is an
 embedded product with AMCC PPC460, Linux (say, 2.6.25 or later), and
 busybox (1.10 or later) as the base, being defined/designed now. The
 target audience is top tier customers, such as governments,
 Fortune-whatever companies, major financial institutions, etc. SSH
 access is essential (need ssh client, sshd, ssh-keygen, scp, whatever
 dependencies there are).

 Busybox does not provide SSH functionality by itself, and recommends
 Dropbear (http://busybox.net/tinyutils.html). I would like to be quite
 sure that DropBear has the functionality and the security that the
 target market requires.

 So far, what I see in the docs is as follows:

 * Judging by Changelog, Dropbear is in version 0.51, and the
 development is not very active. This may be because it is very stable
 and very secure, or may be because there are not many development
 resources.

 * Uses LibTomCrypt rather than SSL - can anyone comment on
 security/functionality?

 I see my choces as DropBear vs. OpenSSH, compiled and linked for
 busybox. I am not particularly concerned about CPU or RAM, but I have
 a rather serious shortage of (flash) storage in the system. In our
 estimate, OpenSSH will take at least 10 times more storage than
 DropBear (between 1.2 and 1.5M rather than 110K Dropbear claims).

 What I am interested to know is whether DropBear is a good substitute
 for OpenSSH in terms of:

 * functionality
 * full compatibility
 * security
 * stability
 * etc.

 Any comments/experiences? Thanks a lot in advance,

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Re: Dropbear SSH

2008-07-17 Thread Noam Rathaus
Hi,

Some 2 cents

== I am not affiliated with Mocana nor do I gain anything from writing this ==

Not sure if it helps, but another alternative is Mocana, I seen quite a few 
people/companies use it (Israeli), RAD is one of the names to comes to mind.

Mocana is a complete package - i.e. gives you everything you need, SSL, SSH, 
etc, but the down side is it costs money.

---

Regarding DropBear, a few vulnerabilities have been discovered in dropbear 
over the years:
Dropbear SSH Server DoS http://www.securiteam.com/securitynews/5YP012AI0A.html
Dropbear SSH Server Format String Vulnerability 
http://www.securiteam.com/unixfocus/5VP0E2AAUS.html
Dropbear SSH Server svr_ses.childpidsize Buffer Overflow 
http://www.securiteam.com/unixfocus/6A00M0AEUQ.html

But nothing since 2006 :)

So I guess its ok, for the time being.

I am not trying to say it is less/or more secure, but not having any public 
vulnerabilities in a product makes me jitter with fear :D, what is unknown 
scares me :)



On Thursday 17 July 2008 13:42:25 Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
 Hi everybody,

 Does anyone have experience with DropBear SSH server/client
 (http://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear.html)? The context is an
 embedded product with AMCC PPC460, Linux (say, 2.6.25 or later), and
 busybox (1.10 or later) as the base, being defined/designed now. The
 target audience is top tier customers, such as governments,
 Fortune-whatever companies, major financial institutions, etc. SSH
 access is essential (need ssh client, sshd, ssh-keygen, scp, whatever
 dependencies there are).

 Busybox does not provide SSH functionality by itself, and recommends
 Dropbear (http://busybox.net/tinyutils.html). I would like to be quite
 sure that DropBear has the functionality and the security that the
 target market requires.

 So far, what I see in the docs is as follows:

 * Judging by Changelog, Dropbear is in version 0.51, and the
 development is not very active. This may be because it is very stable
 and very secure, or may be because there are not many development
 resources.

 * Uses LibTomCrypt rather than SSL - can anyone comment on
 security/functionality?

 I see my choces as DropBear vs. OpenSSH, compiled and linked for
 busybox. I am not particularly concerned about CPU or RAM, but I have
 a rather serious shortage of (flash) storage in the system. In our
 estimate, OpenSSH will take at least 10 times more storage than
 DropBear (between 1.2 and 1.5M rather than 110K Dropbear claims).

 What I am interested to know is whether DropBear is a good substitute
 for OpenSSH in terms of:

 * functionality
 * full compatibility
 * security
 * stability
 * etc.

 Any comments/experiences? Thanks a lot in advance,


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RE: Dropbear SSH

2008-07-17 Thread ronys
Hi Oleg,

No experience with Dropbear, but I've used LibTomCrypt in a couple of
projects, and it rocks.

You can configure it to the level of paranoia you're comfortable with, e.g.,
scrubbing memory that contains keying material, etc. - the typical
security/performance and time/space tradeoffs.

Of course, having a solid crypto library is a necessary but *not* sufficient
condition for a secure application, as it's trivial to misuse crypto in a
way that leaves you totally insecure.

HTH,

Rony

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Subject: Dropbear SSH

Hi everybody,

Does anyone have experience with DropBear SSH server/client
(http://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear.html)? The context is an
embedded product with AMCC PPC460, Linux (say, 2.6.25 or later), and
busybox (1.10 or later) as the base, being defined/designed now. The
target audience is top tier customers, such as governments,
Fortune-whatever companies, major financial institutions, etc. SSH
access is essential (need ssh client, sshd, ssh-keygen, scp, whatever
dependencies there are).

Busybox does not provide SSH functionality by itself, and recommends
Dropbear (http://busybox.net/tinyutils.html). I would like to be quite
sure that DropBear has the functionality and the security that the
target market requires.

So far, what I see in the docs is as follows:

* Judging by Changelog, Dropbear is in version 0.51, and the
development is not very active. This may be because it is very stable
and very secure, or may be because there are not many development
resources.

* Uses LibTomCrypt rather than SSL - can anyone comment on
security/functionality?

I see my choces as DropBear vs. OpenSSH, compiled and linked for
busybox. I am not particularly concerned about CPU or RAM, but I have
a rather serious shortage of (flash) storage in the system. In our
estimate, OpenSSH will take at least 10 times more storage than
DropBear (between 1.2 and 1.5M rather than 110K Dropbear claims).

What I am interested to know is whether DropBear is a good substitute
for OpenSSH in terms of:

* functionality
* full compatibility
* security
* stability
* etc.

Any comments/experiences? Thanks a lot in advance,

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Re: Dropbear SSH

2008-07-17 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Noam Rathaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 Some 2 cents

 == I am not affiliated with Mocana nor do I gain anything from writing this ==

 Not sure if it helps, but another alternative is Mocana, I seen quite a few
 people/companies use it (Israeli), RAD is one of the names to comes to mind.

 Mocana is a complete package - i.e. gives you everything you need, SSL, SSH,
 etc, but the down side is it costs money.

Hi Noam,

And lean on storage, too. I am not sure it helps, for logistical
reasons, but thanks for the pointer.


 But nothing since 2006 :)

 So I guess its ok, for the time being.

 I am not trying to say it is less/or more secure, but not having any public
 vulnerabilities in a product makes me jitter with fear :D, what is unknown
 scares me :)

Is it really secure or just not used enough? ;-)

Has DropBear (or LibTomCrypt) ever been audited? I'd think that you
would be one of those in the know... ;-)

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Re: Dropbear SSH

2008-07-17 Thread Noam Rathaus
Hi,

On Thursday 17 July 2008 19:42:54 Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Noam Rathaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  Hi,
 
  Some 2 cents
 
  == I am not affiliated with Mocana nor do I gain anything from writing
  this ==
 
  Not sure if it helps, but another alternative is Mocana, I seen quite a
  few people/companies use it (Israeli), RAD is one of the names to comes
  to mind.
 
  Mocana is a complete package - i.e. gives you everything you need, SSL,
  SSH, etc, but the down side is it costs money.

 Hi Noam,

 And lean on storage, too. I am not sure it helps, for logistical
 reasons, but thanks for the pointer.

  But nothing since 2006 :)
 
  So I guess its ok, for the time being.
 
  I am not trying to say it is less/or more secure, but not having any
  public vulnerabilities in a product makes me jitter with fear :D, what is
  unknown scares me :)

 Is it really secure or just not used enough? ;-)

 Has DropBear (or LibTomCrypt) ever been audited? I'd think that you
 would be one of those in the know... ;-)

I know OpenSSH has been extensively audited - and in turn found to be 
vulnerable - where as DropBear and libTomCrypt are less common, and in such 
less audited - however their code base is a lot smaller, making it harder 
for issues to hide in it.

What I usually tell my customers, don't rely on obscurity to protect you, rely 
on response time - if an issue (security) arises address it as soon as 
possible with a patch, a firmware upgrade, etc, don't expect software 
developers to be flawless :)


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Version 0.102 of Culmus fonts released

2008-07-17 Thread Maxim Iorsh
Hello all,

I'm glad to announce the availability of the new release of Culmus
fonts. This release updates just one font family - David. Despite a
minor version number increase, this update introduces a major change.
The new David font is published in the TrueType format with OpenType
features. With appropriate software it would be able to display Hebrew
diacritics in a proper manner.

Visually, all weights were lightened and made more spacious. Note that
this introduces some incompatibility with older versions. With
transition to the new release the same text in David will take more
space on a page, even though the line spacing remains the same. I'm
sorry to mess up your carefully laid out documents, but I sincerely
believe that the new incarnation looks better and is more legible than
the old one.

On the contents level, the font family has been expanded with several
new features:

 New bold-Italic weight
 Extended punctuation symbols (ellipsis, dashes, etc.)
 Currency symbols (pound, euro)

As usual, the fonts can be downloaded from the site of the Culmus
project: http://culmus.sourceforge.net. Please give them a try and let
me know your comments or suggestions.

The rpm file was tested on a rather ancient SuSE 10.1 system, but I hope
it works with newer ones too. Since this release introduces a new
TrueType file format, I kindly ask package maintainers to refrain from
propagating it into automatic update systems for two or three days. This
should allow bugs to surface, if there are any, and give me time to fix
them before the fonts are distributed to the larger community.

A note to package maintainers: this release comes with a source package
(culmus-src-0.102.tar.gz). This package contains the FontForge sources
of David font, and I would be truly grateful if they are distributed in
the same manner as all other source packages.


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