Re: Using OpenSource software in closed source componies (how ?)

2009-11-22 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef

Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:


Hi Boris,

you *CAN* use open source software with closed source application. The 
exception is when you're changing the source of the open source 
application, which means you'll need to give back the modification. I 
think linking to a FOSS product (GPL'd) is a bit more problematic, but 
for this you can write some simple wrappers.
You are wrong. Every distribution triggers the GPL. Changed source code 
or not does not make any difference and linking to a GPLed library 
usually (some exceptions apply) triggers the GPL if you are actually 
distributing the library.


Gilad


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Re: [HAIFUX LECTURE] How Time Flies: Jiffies, Hi-Res Timers and the Tickless Kernel - Gilad Ben-Yossef

2009-11-22 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef

Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda wrote:

On Monday, November 23rd (TOMORROW) at 18:30, Haifux will gather to 
hear Gilad Ben-Yossef talk about


How Time Flies: Jiffies, Hi-Res Timers and the Tickless Kernel


Unfortunately, I will have to disappoint everyone (yet again) and cancel 
this talk.


Please accept my sincere apologies, especially Orna and Or. When Or 
emailed to postpone this talk (it was originally scheduled on what 
turned out to be a W2L slot) he gave tomorrow as a possible replacement 
slot and I ACKed the cancellation and completely missed this alternative 
date and have only become aware of it due to this email.


Unfortunately, I can't possibly make it tomorrow, or in the foreseeable 
future for that matter.


To relieve any doubt, this is utterly my own fault and not Orna or Or 
and I once again ask for your forgiveness but my talk is definitely 
canceled for tomorrow.


Gilad

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Re: Using OpenSource software in closed source componies (how ?)

2009-11-22 Thread Raz
GPL version 1 asserts that any software as a whole combined with GPLv1
software has to be released under the terms of GPL v1.


2009/11/22 Gilad Ben-Yossef gi...@codefidence.com

  Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:

 Hi Boris,

 you *CAN* use open source software with closed source application. The
 exception is when you're changing the source of the open source application,
 which means you'll need to give back the modification. I think linking to a
 FOSS product (GPL'd) is a bit more problematic, but for this you can write
 some simple wrappers.

 You are wrong. Every distribution triggers the GPL. Changed source code or
 not does not make any difference and linking to a GPLed library usually
 (some exceptions apply) triggers the GPL if you are actually distributing
 the library.


 Gilad


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Re: Using OpenSource software in closed source componies (how ?)

2009-11-22 Thread Micha

On 22/11/2009 21:30, Raz wrote:

GPL version 1 asserts that any software as a whole combined with GPLv1
software has to be released under the terms of GPL v1.



I have to admit I don't know GPL v1 too much



2009/11/22 Gilad Ben-Yossef gi...@codefidence.com
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Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:


Hi Boris,

you *CAN* use open source software with closed source application.
The exception is when you're changing the source of the open
source application, which means you'll need to give back the
modification. I think linking to a FOSS product (GPL'd) is a bit
more problematic, but for this you can write some simple wrappers.


A wrapper would still be a problem as the wrapper would also have to be GPL. 
IANAL but I think that an exception may be if you use the GPLed library as a 
sort of plugin that can be fulfilled also by other libraries. For example you 
can implement a simple inefficient proprietary library and a wrapper that allows 
using the GPLed one as well and then you are easier of with your claim.


One of the reasons that a lot of major libraries (at least those that interest 
me) us the LGPL to bypass this problem. Personally I try to stick to using 
LGPLed software to avoid any issues.


In any case, if you distribute a (L)GPLed library you need to distribute the 
source to that in any case.



You are wrong. Every distribution triggers the GPL. Changed source
code or not does not make any difference and linking to a GPLed
library usually (some exceptions apply) triggers the GPL if you are
actually distributing the library.



I've worked with some companies that linked/used GPLed software and also 
followed some of these arguments previously. Which way dynamic linking goes is a 
debatable issue (whether it can be considered derived work or not) and the 
subject of many a flame war. It's never been tested in court though (neither 
linking nor direct violation) so there is no precedence whether the GPL can be 
enforced.




Gilad


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Modifying Javascript on-the-fly is Firefox

2009-11-22 Thread Baruch Siach
Hi Linux-IL members,

I need to interact with web based application at a client location. This 
application suffers from an easy to fix bug in its Javascript source syntax 
that makes the application unusable under Firefox.

Is there any way to run a sed equivalent on the Javascript source before it 
gets parsed by Firefox? Can Greasemonkey do the trick? If so, how?

TIA,
baruch

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