Re: Should beginners work with WSL?

[אורי]

Personally I never used WSL, and I have been using Linux servers and
Windows desktops for more than 20 years.

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On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 7:04 AM Shlomi Fish  wrote:

> Hi Michael!
>
> On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 5:22 AM Michael Shiloh
>  wrote:
> >
> > What is WSL?
> >
>
> See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Subsystem_for_Linux ;
>
> https://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/culture/case-for-commercial-fan-fiction/indiv-nodes/starved_of_employees.xhtml
> ; http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8764 .
>
> > On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 11:40 PM Shachar Shemesh 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> The context is a book I'm writing about introduction to Linux. I don't
> know exactly who will pick it up and what her reasons might be.
> >>
> >> On 05/02/2022 08:37, Yaacov Zamir wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Sorry for the off topic answer
> >> I was trying to think what I would recommend, and found that I would
> give different answers depending on the needs of the specific beginner.
> >> Do they want to try out the desktop environment, e.g. gnome KDE?
> >> Do they want to learn to be linux sys admins?
> >> Do they want to learn to program linux specific applications, drivers?
> >> Do they want to learn linux containers, virtulization?
> >> What type of beginner do you have in mind?
> >>
> >> בתאריך יום ו׳, 4 בפבר׳ 2022, 09:11 PM, מאת Shachar Shemesh ‏<
> shac...@shemesh.biz>:
> >>>
> >>> Title pretty much says it all. Should beginners on Linux be directed
> toward trying out WSL?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have my own opinion, but I'd like to hear others as well.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thank you,
> >>>
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Re: Should beginners work with WSL?

[Shlomi Fish]

Hi Michael!

On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 5:22 AM Michael Shiloh
 wrote:
>
> What is WSL?
>

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Subsystem_for_Linux ;
https://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/culture/case-for-commercial-fan-fiction/indiv-nodes/starved_of_employees.xhtml
; http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8764 .

> On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 11:40 PM Shachar Shemesh  wrote:
>>
>> The context is a book I'm writing about introduction to Linux. I don't know 
>> exactly who will pick it up and what her reasons might be.
>>
>> On 05/02/2022 08:37, Yaacov Zamir wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Sorry for the off topic answer
>> I was trying to think what I would recommend, and found that I would give 
>> different answers depending on the needs of the specific beginner.
>> Do they want to try out the desktop environment, e.g. gnome KDE?
>> Do they want to learn to be linux sys admins?
>> Do they want to learn to program linux specific applications, drivers?
>> Do they want to learn linux containers, virtulization?
>> What type of beginner do you have in mind?
>>
>> בתאריך יום ו׳, 4 בפבר׳ 2022, 09:11 PM, מאת Shachar Shemesh 
>> ‏:
>>>
>>> Title pretty much says it all. Should beginners on Linux be directed toward 
>>> trying out WSL?
>>>
>>>
>>> I have my own opinion, but I'd like to hear others as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Shachar
>>>
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Re: Should beginners work with WSL?

[Michael Shiloh]

Ah, Subsystem! I guessed the Windows and Linux part, but couldn't
figure out the S.

Thanks!

On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 8:48 AM Shachar Shemesh  wrote:
>
>
> On 06/02/2022 05:21, Michael Shiloh wrote:
>
> What is WSL?
>
> Windows Subsystem for Linux.
>
>
> It allows you, on any Windows 10 machine, to install a virtual machine + 
> Linux with a single command. It allows you to open an Ubuntu (some other 
> distros are also supported, but Ubuntu is their main one) shell that is 
> sort-of kinda integrated into Windows. No GUI support, at this time.
>
>
> It has been highly hyped, because Microsoft is, essentially, bundling Linux. 
> Then again, I'm more excited about the fact that WordPad now opens ODT files 
> out of the box (Word has done that for quite some time).
>
>
> At the end of the day, I see no difference between WSL and installing 
> VirtualBox, configuring shared folders, and installing Ubuntu on it. 
> Installation is easier, but VirtualBox also gives you GUI.
>
>
> The only area I'm not sure how things work is around system services. 
> VirtualBox doesn't give me nested virtualization, so I can't get WSL working 
> on my Windows inside a VM. I'll need to reboot to test it, so I'm doing the 
> lazy thing and asking whether anyone else has any experience :-)
>
>
> Shachar
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Re: Should beginners work with WSL?

[Shachar Shemesh]

  
  


On 06/02/2022 05:21, Michael Shiloh
  wrote:


  
  What is WSL?

Windows Subsystem for Linux.


It allows you, on any Windows 10 machine, to install a virtual
  machine + Linux with a single command. It allows you to open an
  Ubuntu (some other distros are also supported, but Ubuntu is their
  main one) shell that is sort-of kinda integrated into Windows. No
  GUI support, at this time.


It has been highly hyped, because Microsoft is, essentially,
  bundling Linux. Then again, I'm more excited about the fact that
  WordPad now opens ODT files out of the box (Word has done that for
  quite some time).


At the end of the day, I see no difference between WSL and
  installing VirtualBox, configuring shared folders, and installing
  Ubuntu on it. Installation is easier, but VirtualBox also gives
  you GUI.


The only area I'm not sure how things work is around system
  services. VirtualBox doesn't give me nested virtualization, so I
  can't get WSL working on my Windows inside a VM. I'll need to
  reboot to test it, so I'm doing the lazy thing and asking whether
  anyone else has any experience :-)


Shachar

  


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Re: Should beginners work with WSL?

[Aviram Jenik]

LMGTFY:
https://lmgtfy.app/?q=wsl+linux

- Aviram


On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 7:22 PM Michael Shiloh 
wrote:

> What is WSL?
>
> On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 11:40 PM Shachar Shemesh 
> wrote:
>
>> The context is a book I'm writing about introduction to Linux. I don't
>> know exactly who will pick it up and what her reasons might be.
>> On 05/02/2022 08:37, Yaacov Zamir wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Sorry for the off topic answer
>> I was trying to think what I would recommend, and found that I would give
>> different answers depending on the needs of the specific beginner.
>> Do they want to try out the desktop environment, e.g. gnome KDE?
>> Do they want to learn to be linux sys admins?
>> Do they want to learn to program linux specific applications, drivers?
>> Do they want to learn linux containers, virtulization?
>> What type of beginner do you have in mind?
>>
>> בתאריך יום ו׳, 4 בפבר׳ 2022, 09:11 PM, מאת Shachar Shemesh ‏<
>> shac...@shemesh.biz>:
>>
>>> Title pretty much says it all. Should beginners on Linux be directed
>>> toward trying out WSL?
>>>
>>>
>>> I have my own opinion, but I'd like to hear others as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Shachar
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Re: Should beginners work with WSL?

[Michael Shiloh]

What is WSL?

On Sat, Feb 5, 2022 at 11:40 PM Shachar Shemesh  wrote:

> The context is a book I'm writing about introduction to Linux. I don't
> know exactly who will pick it up and what her reasons might be.
> On 05/02/2022 08:37, Yaacov Zamir wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Sorry for the off topic answer
> I was trying to think what I would recommend, and found that I would give
> different answers depending on the needs of the specific beginner.
> Do they want to try out the desktop environment, e.g. gnome KDE?
> Do they want to learn to be linux sys admins?
> Do they want to learn to program linux specific applications, drivers?
> Do they want to learn linux containers, virtulization?
> What type of beginner do you have in mind?
>
> בתאריך יום ו׳, 4 בפבר׳ 2022, 09:11 PM, מאת Shachar Shemesh ‏<
> shac...@shemesh.biz>:
>
>> Title pretty much says it all. Should beginners on Linux be directed
>> toward trying out WSL?
>>
>>
>> I have my own opinion, but I'd like to hear others as well.
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Shachar
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URLS that were recommended in the 2/2/2022 GoLUG meeting

[Steve Litt]

Hi all,

Several people wanted me to post the URLs recommended during the
2/2/2022 GoLUG meeting. This list of URLs has been added to the
2/2/2022 meeting material at http://golug.info .

Thanks,

SteveT

Steve Litt 
Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful
Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques

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Re: Should beginners work with WSL?

[Shachar Shemesh]

  
  
The context is a book I'm writing about
  introduction to Linux. I don't know exactly who will pick it up
  and what her reasons might be.

On 05/02/2022 08:37, Yaacov Zamir
  wrote:


  
  Hi,


Sorry for the off topic answer
I was trying to think what I would recommend,
  and found that I would give different answers depending on the
  needs of the specific beginner. 
Do they want to try out the desktop environment,
  e.g. gnome KDE? 
Do they want to learn to be linux sys admins?
Do they want to learn to program linux specific
  applications, drivers?
Do they want to learn linux containers,
  virtulization?
What type of beginner do you have in mind?
  
  
  
בתאריך יום ו׳, 4 בפבר׳ 2022,
  09:11 PM, מאת Shachar Shemesh ‏:


  
Title pretty much says it all. Should beginners on Linux
  be directed toward trying out WSL?


I have my own opinion, but I'd like to hear others as
  well.


Thank you,
Shachar

  
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Re: Should beginners work with WSL?

[Mark E. Fuller]

5 Feb 2022 8:38:26 Yaacov Zamir :

> Hi,
> 
> Sorry for the off topic answer
> I was trying to think what I would recommend, and found that I would give 
> different answers depending on the needs of the specific beginner. 
> Do they want to try out the desktop environment, e.g. gnome KDE? 
> Do they want to learn to be linux sys admins?
> Do they want to learn to program linux specific applications, drivers?
> Do they want to learn linux containers, virtulization?
> What type of beginner do you have in mind?
> 
> בתאריך יום ו׳, 4 בפבר׳ 2022, 09:11 PM, מאת Shachar Shemesh 
> ‏:
>> 
>> Title pretty much says it all. Should beginners on Linux be directed toward 
>> trying out WSL?
>> 
>> 
>> I have my own opinion, but I'd like to hear others as well.
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Shachar
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Tl;dr what is the intended application?

An analogous question came up previously elsewhere, only instead of WSL, the 
subject was Arch. I think my line of reasoning still applies:

First question is why? Why do you want to run Linux? If you have a box and time 
to spare and you want to dive down the rabbit hole and don't care how long it 
takes to get a functioning machine, then Arch is fine. You want to just slap 
something on a computer that will run as a desktop so you can work, probably 
Fedora or Ubuntu. You want to throw together a server, go for a RHEL clone like 
Rocky (or sign up for a Red Hat developer account and install official/use 
their documentation).


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