Re: I installed Debian 4 etch on my PC
On 15/11/2007, Baruch Even [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not true. I see what you wrote as exactly explaining what I meant - that the bottom line is that when a user of stable decides to install or update or even remove a package in stable he can pretty well rely on it not to break the system. This is in contrast to Fedora, for instance, or even what I heard about Ubuntu, where the process through which the packages have to go in order to be found in a stable release is apparently less adequate. I see it now with a Fedora 7 machine I have to maintain and as opposed to CentOS 5 machines I have - the Fedora machine I better not touch unless I really must (e.g. it just came up with a newer kernel version I'm careful not to upgrade to), the CentOS machine is very robust but lacks the size of software repository (and the convenient management tools, IMHO) that Debian Etch has (bar one thing - chk-bloody-config!). --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I installed Debian 4 etch on my PC
On Thu, Nov 15, 2007 at 07:35:48PM +1100, Amos Shapira wrote: This is in contrast to Fedora, for instance, or even what I heard about Ubuntu, where the process through which the packages have to go in order to be found in a stable release is apparently less adequate. That was the whole idea of Fedora. RedHat found that due to their plan of producing a new release every 6 months, and constant updates, their product was not very reliable. Once they went public, they could no longer have the long beta times they did when they first started. So they split their products into two, RHEL, which would be a long term product, with long beta times, a long support life, and so on. Fedora was supposed to be what Red Hat Linux had become, a community supported product with supervision, but not control. This meant they had to abandon their original business plan which was to package linux and make people think that Red Hat was Linux. They planned on selling boxes to people. RHEL was sold as a product including support. So when you bought it, you bought a support contract. Recently Red Hat has entered the desktop market, trying to spruce up Fedora and make it what people would want to buy. They hope people will buy it. As I write I am this upgrading one computer to Fedora 8, which was downloaded via Bittorrent. No Red Hats were harmed (or paid). Ububtu is totally a community supported effort. In order to reach the masses, third parties are encoraged to sell support. If that pricing model works or not, is another question, it has not done well in the past. Too many people buy the product for nothing and assume since they paid nothing for it, it has no cash value. IMHO Ubuntu also suffers, but not as badly from the bloat (we want to give you everything) and short release times (to keep in the press) as Fedora. Ubuntu is very nicely packaged, and I have found that Windows users can adapt to it far quicker than Fedora or Suse. I don't like their distribution model, which is a single CD and then as much as 3 gig of downloads to get a (near) complete system. With Fedora, I downloaded a DVD image once and can install it on computers without having to download lots of updates, but I can't do the same with Ubuntu. Personaly, I'm also not happy with their support, I had a kernel problem with the PPC version, which when I installed it was already documented for a month. It has been several months and there has been no updated kernel. The computer I installed it on did not have enough free disk space to install the development tools and recompile a kernel. Debian has not fallen ill with the same disease because the people running the project keep the stable and the new product trees seperate. This does cause problems for people who want updated software the unstable tree eventualy gets so far out of sync that packages from it can not be installed on the stable tree. IMHO the root cause is the GPL. If I were going to SELL a product, I would want a more restrictive open source license, one that does not allow competition. In plain English, you can do what you want with the source code in the privacy of your own home, but you could not sell a product based upon it. This almost sunk RedHat because they had planned on selling boxes of product for $99, while other people were selling the same product (but not the book or support) for as little as $2. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I installed Debian 4 etch on my PC
this seems like spam. On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 13:25 +0100, Web Master wrote: Hi everyone, I installed Debian 4 Etch on my PC. Earlier time I have got many mail, where the writer said: my linux (Mandriva, SuSE, Fedora, etc) is not a serious operating system. Now I am working on Debian I tried the apt-get install (remove, as so on) command, the dpkg command, and the synaptic package manager software. What is the other advantage of this OS? On my PC the following server softwares are running: debian:~# nmap -A localhost Starting Nmap 4.11 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2007-11-14 12:38 CET Interesting ports on localhost (127.0.0.1): Not shown: 1660 closed ports PORT STATE SERVICE VERSION 21/tcpopen ftp ProFTPD 1.3.0 23/tcpopen telnet Linux telnetd 25/tcpopen smtpPostfix smtpd 53/tcpopen domain 80/tcpopen httpApache httpd 2.2.3 ((Debian) mod_python/3.2.10 Python/2.4.4 PHP/5.2.0-8+etch7 mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8) 110/tcp open pop3Courier pop3d 111/tcp open rpcbind 2 (rpc #10) 113/tcp open ident OpenBSD identd 139/tcp open netbios-ssn Samba smbd 3.X (workgroup: MSHOME) 143/tcp open imapCourier Imapd (released 2005) 445/tcp open netbios-ssn Samba smbd 3.X (workgroup: MSHOME) 548/tcp open afpovertcp? 631/tcp open ipp CUPS 1.2 853/tcp open mountd 1-3 (rpc #15) 901/tcp open httpSamba SWAT administration server 953/tcp open rndc? 2049/tcp open nfs 2-4 (rpc #13) 3128/tcp open squid-http? 3306/tcp open mysql MySQL 5.0.32-Debian_7etch1-log 1/tcp open httpWebmin httpd PÁRATLAN AKCIÓ MOST! Mosógépek,mosogatógépek, beépíthető gépek ORSZÁGOS kiszállítással az AEGshop.hu-tól http://ad.adverticum.net/b/cl,1,6022,222445,270525/click.prm = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I installed Debian 4 etch on my PC
Maxim Kovgan wrote: this seems like spam. Especially noting that it's not his first posting, and the former ones also included outputs of irrelevant arbitrary UNIX commands. On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 13:25 +0100, Web Master wrote: Hi everyone, I installed Debian 4 Etch on my PC. Earlier time I have got many mail, where the writer said: my linux (Mandriva, SuSE, Fedora, etc) is not a serious operating system. Now I am working on Debian I tried the apt-get install (remove, as so on) command, the dpkg command, and the synaptic package manager software. What is the other advantage of this OS? On my PC the following server softwares are running: debian:~# nmap -A localhost Starting Nmap 4.11 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2007-11-14 12:38 CET Interesting ports on localhost (127.0.0.1): Not shown: 1660 closed ports PORT STATE SERVICE VERSION 21/tcpopen ftp ProFTPD 1.3.0 23/tcpopen telnet Linux telnetd 25/tcpopen smtpPostfix smtpd 53/tcpopen domain 80/tcpopen httpApache httpd 2.2.3 ((Debian) mod_python/3.2.10 Python/2.4.4 PHP/5.2.0-8+etch7 mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8) 110/tcp open pop3Courier pop3d 111/tcp open rpcbind 2 (rpc #10) 113/tcp open ident OpenBSD identd 139/tcp open netbios-ssn Samba smbd 3.X (workgroup: MSHOME) 143/tcp open imapCourier Imapd (released 2005) 445/tcp open netbios-ssn Samba smbd 3.X (workgroup: MSHOME) 548/tcp open afpovertcp? 631/tcp open ipp CUPS 1.2 853/tcp open mountd 1-3 (rpc #15) 901/tcp open httpSamba SWAT administration server 953/tcp open rndc? 2049/tcp open nfs 2-4 (rpc #13) 3128/tcp open squid-http? 3306/tcp open mysql MySQL 5.0.32-Debian_7etch1-log 1/tcp open httpWebmin httpd PÁRATLAN AKCIÓ MOST! Mosógépek,mosogatógépek, beépíthető gépek ORSZÁGOS kiszállítással az AEGshop.hu-tól http://ad.adverticum.net/b/cl,1,6022,222445,270525/click.prm -- Leonid Podolny | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Software Engineer| +972- 3-7668960 Linux Platform Team | +972-54-5696948 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I installed Debian 4 etch on my PC
Hi everyone, I installed Debian 4 Etch on my PC. Earlier time I have got many mail, where the writer said: my linux (Mandriva, SuSE, Fedora, etc) is not a serious operating system. Now I am working on Debian I tried the apt-get install (remove, as so on) command, the dpkg command, and the synaptic package manager software. What is the other advantage of this OS? On my PC the following server softwares are running: debian:~# nmap -A localhost Starting Nmap 4.11 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2007-11-14 12:38 CET Interesting ports on localhost (127.0.0.1): Not shown: 1660 closed ports PORT STATE SERVICE VERSION 21/tcpopen ftp ProFTPD 1.3.0 23/tcpopen telnet Linux telnetd 25/tcpopen smtpPostfix smtpd 53/tcpopen domain 80/tcpopen httpApache httpd 2.2.3 ((Debian) mod_python/3.2.10 Python/2.4.4 PHP/5.2.0-8+etch7 mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8) 110/tcp open pop3Courier pop3d 111/tcp open rpcbind 2 (rpc #10) 113/tcp open ident OpenBSD identd 139/tcp open netbios-ssn Samba smbd 3.X (workgroup: MSHOME) 143/tcp open imapCourier Imapd (released 2005) 445/tcp open netbios-ssn Samba smbd 3.X (workgroup: MSHOME) 548/tcp open afpovertcp? 631/tcp open ipp CUPS 1.2 853/tcp open mountd 1-3 (rpc #15) 901/tcp open httpSamba SWAT administration server 953/tcp open rndc? 2049/tcp open nfs 2-4 (rpc #13) 3128/tcp open squid-http? 3306/tcp open mysql MySQL 5.0.32-Debian_7etch1-log 1/tcp open httpWebmin httpd PÁRATLAN AKCIÓ MOST! Mosógépek,mosogatógépek, beépíthető gépek ORSZÁGOS kiszállítással az AEGshop.hu-tól http://ad.adverticum.net/b/cl,1,6022,222445,270525/click.prm To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I installed Debian 4 etch on my PC
The difference between synaptic/aptitude to apt-get, is when you want to uninstall packages, aptitude/synaptic will know which packages are not in use and remove them. Using this tools will let you keep your comp clean. I personally use aptitude. Its like synaptic but for the shell. For example: aptitude install abc # works like apt-get just running aptitude will open ncurses interface. Regarding your question: Debian has the biggest community and it is the oldest distribution that still kick. Because of that, you enjoy a very experienced developers and mature OS. I would suggest you, to take your time and just try to use this OS. Good things will reveal as you go. Debian is suited to servers, because It is stable and secure (again the developers and the community). If you have questions, you can ask at the IRC in #debian room. Kfir On Nov 14, 2007 2:25 PM, Web Master [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I installed Debian 4 Etch on my PC. Earlier time I have got many mail, where the writer said: my linux (Mandriva, SuSE, Fedora, etc) is not a serious operating system. Now I am working on Debian I tried the apt-get install (remove, as so on) command, the dpkg command, and the synaptic package manager software. What is the other advantage of this OS? On my PC the following server softwares are running: debian:~# nmap -A localhost Starting Nmap 4.11 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2007-11-14 12:38 CET Interesting ports on localhost (127.0.0.1): Not shown: 1660 closed ports PORT STATE SERVICE VERSION 21/tcpopen ftp ProFTPD 1.3.0 23/tcpopen telnet Linux telnetd 25/tcpopen smtpPostfix smtpd 53/tcpopen domain 80/tcpopen httpApache httpd 2.2.3 ((Debian) mod_python/3.2.10 Python/2.4.4 PHP/5.2.0-8+etch7 mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8) 110/tcp open pop3Courier pop3d 111/tcp open rpcbind 2 (rpc #10) 113/tcp open ident OpenBSD identd 139/tcp open netbios-ssn Samba smbd 3.X (workgroup: MSHOME) 143/tcp open imapCourier Imapd (released 2005) 445/tcp open netbios-ssn Samba smbd 3.X (workgroup: MSHOME) 548/tcp open afpovertcp? 631/tcp open ipp CUPS 1.2 853/tcp open mountd 1-3 (rpc #15) 901/tcp open httpSamba SWAT administration server 953/tcp open rndc? 2049/tcp open nfs 2-4 (rpc #13) 3128/tcp open squid-http? 3306/tcp open mysql MySQL 5.0.32-Debian_7etch1-log 1/tcp open httpWebmin httpd PÁRATLAN AKCIÓ MOST! Mosógépek,mosogatógépek, beépíthető gépek ORSZÁGOS kiszállítással az AEGshop.hu-tól http://ad.adverticum.net/b/cl,1,6022,222445,270525/click.prm To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I installed Debian 4 etch on my PC
On 14/11/2007, Web Master [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I installed Debian 4 Etch on my PC. Earlier time I have got many mail, where the writer said: my linux (Mandriva, SuSE, Fedora, etc) is not a serious operating system. Congratulations. Though I'd like to distance myself from arguments which consist on putting down other distributions. Now I am working on Debian I tried the apt-get install (remove, as so on) command, the dpkg command, and the synaptic package manager software. What is the other advantage of this OS? On top of what Kfir wrote (or to expand on what he probably meant by mature OS) I'd like to put the focus on the huge and very well-integrated software repository. Unlike the little I've seen in other distro's, Debian's stable (and to a large part testing) doesn't contain packages just because someone felt like dreating them and dump them into the depot, but there is an entire process of deciding what goes where and how packages should interact with each other. So you don't only get good tools to manipulate packages (yum seems to be going a decent job for CentOS 5), but also the repository is more coherent as a whole and therefore much more useful when used via tools like aptitude and friends. Enjoy your new installation. --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
