I am Ccing it to linux-il. I believe it is of general interest and that I am not offending anyone privacy. Feel free to tell me otherwise since the original message was sent on private.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 04:06:38PM -0800, Ian wrote: > Peace, Shaul and Shachar! > > Thanks for your thoughtful, encouraging responses! I need that! > > (I've sliced and mixed your emails with my answer -- I hope you > like the > taste :o). Sort of "stream of consciousness"; will structure the > project > later.) > > > get in contact with one or more of the lecture hall Do note that I should have said classroom/hall. Classrooms are probably easier to arrange. However I do believe that most, if not all, can arrange a hall too. > > providers that are around. I can list them if you want to. > > Please do. > Here are the ones I can think of. Order is insignificant. 1) telux, in Tel-Aviv. Coordinated by shlomif(at-nospam)t2.technion.ac.il. 2) Tau's beginners series, in Tel-Aviv. Coordinator is eddiea(at-nospam)tau.ac.il 3) IDC, Herzeliya. I believe that tal(at)achituv.com, 055-956369, might prefer this place as it is near his work place or that he actually study there? Whatever the reason is, you might try him for better inside contacts. 4) JLC. Jerusalem Linux club. mailto:amichai at iglu dot org dot il. 5) John Bryce. Tel-Aviv. Coordinator is Moshe (Miki) Barzilay, Linux(at-nospam)superior.co.il 6) Haifux. Haifa. The 1st and the biggest club ? http://www.haifux.org/givelecture.html 7) BIU, Bar Ilan university. You might try http://groups.yahoo.com/group/help-linux. Yet I believe you should post there only a short message saying that you are looking to give free lectures about Linux and would like that list to comment about it. 8) Perl mongers, Ramat Gan. As the name suggests, their primary interest is on Perl. If you are willing to talk about Perl they might like it. However lately they are running a series on other languages. In short, you might talk to them: gabor(at)perl.org.il. Are there more? > > I can also be the man in the middle. > > Great! > Preparing lecture materials is enough work, so this really helps. > Here is what I can say: The full details are at http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/Linux/maillists/03/10/threads.html#00415 I don't know where/if I have met him other then on the mentioned thread. In any case I hardly know him. I believe that the thread which is mentioned above shows lot of enthusiasm on his part and a strong belief that together Linux will be moved to the center. I suggested to be the man in the middle and he agrees as he is looking for a stage and help on bringing the audience. Did I miss something? The rest of this message is for reference only. > > I suggest that *you* will start by pointing out what *exactly* > would > > you like Hamakor to do or give. > > Absolutely right. > I have a thousand precise tasks for Hamakor, and others, myself > included. > See below. > > > The problem with your enthusiasm is that you are eager to make > a > difference. > > Why is that a "problem"? > Who's problem (besides Micrapsoft) is it? > You get my point? It's an ideological (political, if you will) > attitude. That's > what I am intent on doing. Therefore, by definition, it is _my > solution_, > not a problem. > But, let's not philosophise (I'm an expert at that, too, BTW). > > > I have already suggested to lower your expectations. > > Hmm, but why? So that I won't get disappointed? To protect me, > that is? > Thanks for caring, Shaul, but I'm beyond disappointment: I've > been there > so many times already, even discussed this specific topic on > Linux-IL a > years ago. > I'd suggest, to the contrary, that maybe it's putting _more > energy_ that's > needed, rather than less. > > > I will come at least once or twice to any talk of yours, no > matter what > > the subject [...] > > _Any_? A political statement? > Well, thanks, _anyway_. > ;o) > > > you want a stage for speaking to the unconvinced. While good in > > theory, the main problem with speaking to the unconvinced is to > get > > to them. > > Ah, now we're getting closer. > > Getting to people who use desktop or server OS-integrated > software. > Make that "decision making" people. How, then? > > Well, Ami (a friend) can tell you a lot about how MS goes about > "getting > to" the people at the Ministry of Education (think: corruption, > dirty > tricks, lies, and damn lies). > > We can KICK THEIR ASS, easily! > > 1. MS has to pay their brain-dead salespersons -- we have a > hundred times > more human-power, and backed by ideology, not bribery (and we can > get > financial backing too!); > > 2. All MS can "sell" is lies, and damn lies. Good! All we need to > do is expose > them. > > Hey, as you can guess, I'm a highly creative type; count on me to > come up > with tons of ways to do it! > > 1. Prepare "business-case" presentation: advertise for > marketing(-oriented) talent (ask friends, family... schools? > great idea for > student project, with visibility!). We need expert advice, to > craft sharp, > focused propaganda for the Web site(s), for "sales" > presentations, street > displays (T-shirts, pampflets, graffiti...), and public lectures > -- my part!. I > will also help with the technological detail -- to expose > Micrapsoft. Also > see Bundesministerium des Innern: "Migration Guide", 2003 [1], > for a > totally thorough and professional analysis. And ask Ami about the > local > Ministry!. > > 2. I'd like to see Hamakor systematically "harass" each and every > public > sector "decision maker", just like MS is already doing, and make > waves > about it! _Publish_ this systematic progress. There are lots of > interested > parties who would join in, IMHO. > > 3. Knoppix! Kineret! If I had to pick one thing to lead the > revolution -- > this is it. I'd like to see Hamakor, and everyone else, pull > together to > MASSIVELY distribute Kineret CDs. > > Lots more ideas and details, but I'll send you this for now. I'm > working on > it. > > Thanks again! > > I'll keep you posted. > > > Refs: > [1] Sorry, lost the URL, but, thank Google, there's always > Google. > German Federal Ministry of the Interior: "Migration Guide: a > guide to > migrating the basic software components on server and > workstation > computers", version 1.0, 2003-July, 414pp (PDF, 3MB), KBSt > publication > service, ISSN 0179-7263, http://www.kbst.bund.de/. > Also, the Munich story, and many others -- huge migrations to > Linux. > Kapor's OSAF is miserable propaganda; beware, lots of that, too. > Ok? > > -- > Ilan > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > +972-8-946 4468 > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ -- Shaul Karl, shaulk @ actcom . net . il ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
