Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?)

2009-02-22 Thread sara fink
Hello Moshe I had a webcam working with skype. It used 100% cpu. I deleted skype for various reasons and won't enter them here. I am curious to know how much cpu ekiga uses with the camera? Moreover, don't try to understand skype, because it isn't understandable. 2009/2/19 Moshe Brace using

Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?)

2009-02-19 Thread Ori Idan
The kind of newbies' questions which I prefer to avoid is the repeating one. One newbie asks how to mount his USB DiskOnKey. We answer him. A week later, another newbie comes and (being newbie, he is totally unaware of the list archives or of the documentation available from Google),

Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?)

2009-02-19 Thread Dotan Cohen
I guess the term newbie here means those that do not search archives or google before posting questions. That is consistent with what the anti-noobs have been saying on the list. However, if so then it should be stated on the signup page: If you googled and RTFM first, ask here: linux...@~ If

Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?)

2009-02-19 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Thursday 19 February 2009 00:40:07 Dotan Cohen wrote: I don't see you, Dotan Cohen, asking questions which were already asked recently. I don't think that any of your example questions would currently qualify as noob questions. Long time has passed since anyone compiled his own kernel

Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?)

2009-02-19 Thread Moshe Brace using Yahoo
Well I have only praise to say in the way Shlomi Fish answered my queries regarding my Webcam problems, even though I have not succeeded to get it to work. He compiled a file from source for webcams for me. I would never have been able to do this. As a newbe I really appreciate any help I get

Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?)

2009-02-18 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 19:09 +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: I personally support accepting beginners' posts here on Linux-IL, assuming there will be any. I don't expect the added traffic to overwhelm Linux-IL, and it may lead to interesting more advanced or more philosophical discussions. Some

Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?)

2009-02-18 Thread Dotan Cohen
Deal! I don't mind having newbies-IL traffic as long as we get to shoot people that top post, deal? :) -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه‍-و-ي

Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?)

2009-02-18 Thread Omer Zak
On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 13:42 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: 2009/2/17 Omer Zak w...@zak.co.il: Shahar's suggestion addresses the problem, and lets busy Linux-IL oldtimers ignore the newbies' questions. However, I am concerned about newbies, who would be confused and post using linux-il rather

Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?)

2009-02-18 Thread Micha Feigin
On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:25:07 +0200 Omer Zak w...@zak.co.il wrote: On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 13:42 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: 2009/2/17 Omer Zak w...@zak.co.il: [... snip snip ...] (I actually prefer top-posting, as it saves me the need to scroll downwards when I do quick reading; but I'll

Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?)

2009-02-17 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:21:11AM +0200, Shahar Dag wrote: Hi Can we make the gnubies-il actually an alias (or what ever) to linux-il, and configured things that every message sent to gnubies-il will have in the subject [GNUBIES]. This will: - be easy to filter gnubies questions - give

Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?)

2009-02-17 Thread Dotan Cohen
2009/2/17 Omer Zak w...@zak.co.il: Shahar's suggestion addresses the problem, and lets busy Linux-IL oldtimers ignore the newbies' questions. However, I am concerned about newbies, who would be confused and post using linux-il rather gnubies-il, so their messages won't be flagged. Also, how

Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?)

2009-02-17 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 01:42:07PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: The problem is, what is a noob question? If I've been running Linux since 2001 (and I have- Red Hat 7,1 with KDE 2) but I still don't know how to compile a kernel (and I don't), then am I a noob? If I install Kubuntu for a friend and

Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?)

2009-02-17 Thread Dotan Cohen
Compiling a Kernel was a new thing in 1995, when I started doing it. Now it's usually not necessary for the average user to do, and IMHO saying that you had to do it to access a device would scare away the average new user. As for writing a driver, it's not a noob thing, it's not even an

Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?)

2009-02-17 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Tuesday 17 February 2009 14:23:23 Dotan Cohen wrote: Compiling a Kernel was a new thing in 1995, when I started doing it. Now it's usually not necessary for the average user to do, and IMHO saying that you had to do it to access a device would scare away the average new user. As for

Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?)

2009-02-17 Thread Moshe Brace using Yahoo
Good evening Shlomi, I am in the club a newbe that often racks his brains for answers. I still find it difficult to deal with a compressed .tar file and install it. I am sure that for the experienced they do this with their eyes closed. Sometimes I get the /home/moshe/desktop/. does not

Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?)

2009-02-17 Thread Micha Silver
Shlomi Fish wrote: On Tuesday 17 February 2009 14:23:23 Dotan Cohen wrote: Compiling a Kernel was a new thing in 1995, when I started doing it. Now it's usually not necessary for the average user to do, and IMHO saying that you had to do it to access a device would scare

Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?)

2009-02-16 Thread Shahar Dag
Hi Can we make the gnubies-il actually an alias (or what ever) to linux-il, and configured things that every message sent to gnubies-il will have in the subject [GNUBIES]. This will: - be easy to filter gnubies questions - give the gnunies a look on more advanced subjects - give an easy was for

Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?)

2009-02-16 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:21:11AM +0200, Shahar Dag wrote: - give an easy was for advanced users to select which questions to answer without having to subscribe to gnubies-il. this may help make Linux more popular among new users Seriously, will it? There are times that reading this list

Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions! (was:Re: No noobs?)

2009-02-16 Thread Omer Zak
Shahar's suggestion addresses the problem, and lets busy Linux-IL oldtimers ignore the newbies' questions. However, I am concerned about newbies, who would be confused and post using linux-il rather gnubies-il, so their messages won't be flagged. Also, how do we ensure that answers by Linux-IL