[SOLVED] Openoffice and unicode and windows 98

2005-07-11 Thread Aviram Jenik
Ok. Here's a workaround to what seems to be an openoffice bug (and might have 
very little to do with Windows 98 or unicode).

Here's a summary of the problem:

On Thursday 30 June 2005 13:21, Aviram Jenik wrote:
 - Take a Hebrew excel file created on Windows 98
 - edit it with Openoffice on Linux (locale he_IL.UTF-8)
 - Send it back to the person who sent it to you
 - They try to open it and see squares instead of Hebrew letters (what
 probably indicates that it was transformed to Unicode which is not
 available on Windows 98, but I'm just guessing)

Actually, if you go to your own sent-items folder and try to open that file, 
you'll see question marks where the Hebrew letters should be. The solution, 
is to use:

File- Send- Document as Email

instead of:

File- Send- Document as MS Excel

Since we're editing a XLS file, OO will send the XLS anyhow. However, the 
first option sends it correctly (Windows 98 can open it) and the second 
screws up the encoding, or the Hebrew, or god-knows-what.

I'm using OpenOffice 1.1.4 on Debian.

- Aviram

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Re: Openoffice and unicode and windows 98

2005-07-03 Thread Aviram Jenik
On Saturday 02 July 2005 20:16, Ilya Konstantinov wrote:
 Aviram Jenik wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Is anyone else experiencing the following problem:
 
 - Take a Hebrew excel file created on Windows 98
 - edit it with Openoffice on Linux (locale he_IL.UTF-8)
 - Send it back to the person who sent it to you
 - They try to open it and see squares instead of Hebrew letters (what
  probably indicates that it was transformed to Unicode which is not
  available on Windows 98, but I'm just guessing)
 
 The same file can be opened on Windows 2000 (that supports Unicode) in the
 same office version. This happens repeatedly - i.e. every time I edit an
 excel sent from a Windows 98 and send it back the letters are shown as
 squares.

 Which Office version was that?

Office 2k AFAIK.

BTW, I tried the suggestion of saving it in Office 95 format - still no go.

Maybe a locale change would help? If so, to what?

- Aviram

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Re: Openoffice and unicode and windows 98

2005-07-02 Thread Ilya Konstantinov

Aviram Jenik wrote:


Hi,

Is anyone else experiencing the following problem:

- Take a Hebrew excel file created on Windows 98
- edit it with Openoffice on Linux (locale he_IL.UTF-8)
- Send it back to the person who sent it to you
- They try to open it and see squares instead of Hebrew letters (what probably 
indicates that it was transformed to Unicode which is not available on 
Windows 98, but I'm just guessing)


The same file can be opened on Windows 2000 (that supports Unicode) in the 
same office version. This happens repeatedly - i.e. every time I edit an 
excel sent from a Windows 98 and send it back the letters are shown as 
squares.



Which Office version was that?


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Openoffice and unicode and windows 98

2005-06-30 Thread Aviram Jenik
Hi,

Is anyone else experiencing the following problem:

- Take a Hebrew excel file created on Windows 98
- edit it with Openoffice on Linux (locale he_IL.UTF-8)
- Send it back to the person who sent it to you
- They try to open it and see squares instead of Hebrew letters (what probably 
indicates that it was transformed to Unicode which is not available on 
Windows 98, but I'm just guessing)

The same file can be opened on Windows 2000 (that supports Unicode) in the 
same office version. This happens repeatedly - i.e. every time I edit an 
excel sent from a Windows 98 and send it back the letters are shown as 
squares.

Any ideas what's happening or how to solve it?

- Aviram

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Re: Openoffice and unicode and windows 98

2005-06-30 Thread Danny Lieberman

Aviram
yes.  Windows 98 does Unicode differently - AFAIK it doesnt support 
UCS-2 like OO and MS Office require and modern OS's like NT, 2k and XP 
(and *x) all support


you're screwed
dL

Aviram Jenik wrote:


Hi,

Is anyone else experiencing the following problem:

- Take a Hebrew excel file created on Windows 98
- edit it with Openoffice on Linux (locale he_IL.UTF-8)
- Send it back to the person who sent it to you
- They try to open it and see squares instead of Hebrew letters (what probably 
indicates that it was transformed to Unicode which is not available on 
Windows 98, but I'm just guessing)


The same file can be opened on Windows 2000 (that supports Unicode) in the 
same office version. This happens repeatedly - i.e. every time I edit an 
excel sent from a Windows 98 and send it back the letters are shown as 
squares.


Any ideas what's happening or how to solve it?

- Aviram

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Re: Openoffice and unicode and windows 98

2005-06-30 Thread Aviram Jenik
On Thursday 30 June 2005 14:54, Danny Lieberman wrote:
 Aviram
 yes.  Windows 98 does Unicode differently - AFAIK it doesnt support
 UCS-2 like OO and MS Office require and modern OS's like NT, 2k and XP
 (and *x) all support


But how do word/excel do their magic?

 you're screwed

:-(

 dL


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Re: Openoffice and unicode and windows 98

2005-06-30 Thread Peter



On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Aviram Jenik wrote:


Hi,

Is anyone else experiencing the following problem:

- Take a Hebrew excel file created on Windows 98
- edit it with Openoffice on Linux (locale he_IL.UTF-8)
- Send it back to the person who sent it to you
- They try to open it and see squares instead of Hebrew letters (what probably
indicates that it was transformed to Unicode which is not available on
Windows 98, but I'm just guessing)

The same file can be opened on Windows 2000 (that supports Unicode) in the
same office version. This happens repeatedly - i.e. every time I edit an
excel sent from a Windows 98 and send it back the letters are shown as
squares.

Any ideas what's happening or how to solve it?


In what format did you save it from Oo ? Oo uses only unicode 
internally.


Peter

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Re: Openoffice and unicode and windows 98

2005-06-30 Thread Danny Lieberman

MS Office 2k and above use UCS-2 for the content, MS Office does its
magic because it recognizes documents generated on older versions of
the operating system
- you will see that there is a file format called Excel 5.0/95

Aviram Jenik wrote:


On Thursday 30 June 2005 14:54, Danny Lieberman wrote:
 


Aviram
yes.  Windows 98 does Unicode differently - AFAIK it doesnt support
UCS-2 like OO and MS Office require and modern OS's like NT, 2k and XP
(and *x) all support

   



But how do word/excel do their magic?

 


you're screwed
   



:-(

 


dL

   



- Aviram


 



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Re: Openoffice and unicode and windows 98

2005-06-30 Thread Aviram Jenik
On Thursday 30 June 2005 14:36, Peter wrote:
  - They try to open it and see squares instead of Hebrew letters (what
  probably indicates that it was transformed to Unicode which is not
  available on Windows 98, but I'm just guessing)
 

 In what format did you save it from Oo ? Oo uses only unicode
 internally.

OpenOffice calls it Microsoft Excel 97/2000/XP

 Peter

- Aviram

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