Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

2009-09-14 Thread Arie Skliarouk
Hi, Four months later... Responding to myself :) On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 13:05, Arie Skliarouk sklia...@gmail.com wrote: For a long time I find myself looking for an open smartphone, with Linux and GPS. Initially I had high hopes for OpenMoko's platform, but now I think it is dying for

Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

2009-09-14 Thread Arie Skliarouk
Hi, It should not matter much as I am not going to use the internet much because of the outrageous cellular internet prices that are in use in Israel. It is somewhat an advantage, as you can't break the internet limit easily. Does cell-com still have their 130 NIS a month (including price of

Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

2009-09-14 Thread Michael Shiloh
Openmoko has departed the cellphone business and no longer makes the FreeRunner, although you can buy them and there is still very large community support. Arie Skliarouk wrote: Hi, Four months later... Responding to myself :) On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 13:05, Arie Skliarouk sklia...@gmail.com

Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

2009-09-14 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Michael Shiloh wrote: Openmoko has departed the cellphone business and no longer makes the FreeRunner, although you can buy them and there is still very large community support. Quoth the man who has worked for them and have been burned... :-( Actually, that fact matters very little, if you

Open hardware (was: Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone)

2009-09-14 Thread Michael Shiloh
Shachar Shemesh wrote: Michael Shiloh wrote: Openmoko has departed the cellphone business and no longer makes the FreeRunner, although you can buy them and there is still very large community support. Quoth the man who has worked for them and have been burned... :-( Thanks. I have no

Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

2009-06-17 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Monday 01 June 2009 00:50:47 geoffrey mendelson wrote: On Jun 1, 2009, at 12:29 AM, Shlomi Loubaton wrote: There was a company who made a lot of noise around providing MAC compatibles recently. They finally wen bankrupt a while ago.

Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

2009-06-17 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 03:05:24PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: Bad example. Psystar was built on selling computers with stolen copies of MacOS. According to the EULA (which was enforcable in the US), you can only use it on a real Apple Mac. stolen? How were they stolen? Did Psystar

Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

2009-05-31 Thread Shlomi Loubaton
2009/5/29 Lionel Elie Mamane lio...@mamane.lu   - That you can get root access on a G1 is an accident in history, not   by design. An accident which tends to occur over and over again. (see link in my previous message)   - The shipped applications have a very closed mindset: upload all  

Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

2009-05-31 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:38:23AM +0300, Shlomi Loubaton wrote: 2009/5/29 Lionel Elie Mamane lio...@mamane.lu   - That you can get root access on a G1 is an accident in history, not   by design. An accident which tends to occur over and over again. (see link in my previous message)

Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

2009-05-31 Thread Shlomi Loubaton
2009/5/31 Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il: But it means that the setup voids your warantee. And if you happen to brick your new toy along the way? you get a nice small paperwieght for your desktop. That's something to factor in the price. True. Now, think about somebody who wants to

Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

2009-05-31 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Jun 1, 2009, at 12:29 AM, Shlomi Loubaton wrote: There was a company who made a lot of noise around providing MAC compatibles recently. They finally wen bankrupt a while ago. http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2009/05/mac_clone_maker_psystar_goes_bankrupt.html Bad example. Psystar

Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

2009-05-28 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Tue, May 26, 2009, Arie Skliarouk wrote about Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone: Yes, I want a free platform. I did not meant to say that lack of DRM is an disadvantage (actually I think the opposite). I just said that lack of DRM is one of the reason why professional developers do

Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

2009-05-28 Thread Geoffrey Mendelson
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.il wrote: Take a look at Palm. 10 years it was the most popular PDA platform, and was continuously becoming even more so. So thousands of applications were developed for it - many free and many not. Palm did not have any DRM

Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

2009-05-28 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 01:05:27PM +0300, Arie Skliarouk wrote: For a long time I find myself looking for an open smartphone, with Linux and GPS. Initially I had high hopes for OpenMoko's platform, but now I think it is dying (...) This makes me look into direction of Android G1. Note

Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

2009-05-27 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Shay Ohayon wrote: There is also a talk given by Gilad Ben-Yoseff (anyone know if the slides of the presentation are available somewhere?) and the documentation for development is pretty good. Slides and video of the lecture (thanbks to Yael Vaya and Crictor) are here:

Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

2009-05-27 Thread Shlomi Loubaton
2009/5/26 Arie Skliarouk sklia...@gmail.com This makes me look into direction of Android G1. http://www.zap.co.il/model.aspx?modelid=728197 Since it's arrival to Europe, several stores in zap started shipping the G2 (HTC Magic) which supposed to be exactly the same as G1 but with no keyboard

Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

2009-05-27 Thread Amos Shapira
Be careful how you phrase your messages, in some parts of the world to root means to bury, in others it means to f*** :) -Amos On 5/27/09, Shlomi Loubaton shlomis...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/26 Arie Skliarouk sklia...@gmail.com This makes me look into direction of Android G1.

Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

2009-05-26 Thread Arie Skliarouk
Hi, For a long time I find myself looking for an open smartphone, with Linux and GPS. Initially I had high hopes for OpenMoko's platform, but now I think it is dying for several reasons: * their's latests phone model Freerunner has audio issues * It has weak connectivity (GPRS) * There is no

Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

2009-05-26 Thread Shay Ohayon
I have a T-Mobie G1 (bought in the states) and am pretty happy with it. It is pure Linux in its core, has an SDK for application development and the whole source is available (http://source.android.com/). I am not too interested on GPS applications or navigation but it has a pretty good GPS (tough

Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

2009-05-26 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
(As you used the word GNU in the subject line) On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 01:05:27PM +0300, Arie Skliarouk wrote: Hi, For a long time I find myself looking for an open smartphone, with Linux and GPS. Initially I had high hopes for OpenMoko's platform, but now I think it is dying for several

Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

2009-05-26 Thread Arie Skliarouk
Hi, On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 01:05:27PM +0300, Arie Skliarouk wrote: Hi, For a long time I find myself looking for an open smartphone, with Linux and GPS. Initially I had high hopes for OpenMoko's platform, but now I think it is dying for several reasons: * their's latests phone model

Re: Perpetual quest for GNU smartphone

2009-05-26 Thread Matan Ziv-Av
On Tue, 26 May 2009, Arie Skliarouk wrote: Hi, For a long time I find myself looking for an open smartphone, with Linux and GPS. Initially I had high hopes for OpenMoko's platform, but now I think it is dying for several reasons: * their's latests phone model Freerunner has audio issues * It