Re: Recommendations for an all-in-one printer/fax/scanner?
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:31 AM, E.S. Rosenberg esr+linux...@g.jct.ac.il wrote: 2013/8/19 Gilboa Davara gilb...@gmail.com: snip beyond the blood-like ink prices /snip I'm pretty sure blood is actually cheaper then ink here in Israel (the price of one serving [a half a liter I think] of blood product for a hospital is about 178 NIS) I stand corrected :) - Gilboa ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: OOPS, I meant MFC-490CW (Re: Recommendations for an all-in-one printer/fax/scanner?)
I have to concur with Hetz, I have gone through absolute hell with non-hp printers and their support of drivers. HP at least has an officially supported OSS driver project and drivers that generally function The best is to use linuxprinting.org to check if the printer has good (preferably OSS, unless you don't mind potentially being stuck driverless a few years down the line) support. Regards, Eliyahu - אליהו 2013/8/18 Hetz Ben Hamo h...@hetz.biz: I have it the other way around. I really like the HP All in one and their hplip Linux package which does almost anything that the Windows drivers do - and more (yay, Python scripting ;) ). Furthermore, HP is only company which actually DO give support for their Linux drivers with the printers, something which I didn't find with any other vendor. see this: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/support.html תודה, חץ בן חמו חץ ביז- שרותי פרילאנס לניהול ותחזוקת שרתי Linux ופתרונות וירטואליזציה. טלפון: 054-5297156 אתם מוזמנים לבקר אותנו בבלוג היעוץ שלנו 2013/8/18 Omer Zak w...@zak.co.il: On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 10:41 +0300, Omer Zak wrote: I would say that today it's anything but HP - unless things changed for the better during the last two or so years. I am an happy user of the Brother MFC-490W printer-FAX-scanner-copier. OOPS, I meant Brother MFC-490CW. -- I am the Cochlear Corporation of the Borg. All resistance is futile. Deaf Culture is irrelevant. YOU SHALL BE IMPLANTED. My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Recommendations for an all-in-one printer/fax/scanner?
2013/8/19 Gilboa Davara gilb...@gmail.com: snip beyond the blood-like ink prices /snip I'm pretty sure blood is actually cheaper then ink here in Israel (the price of one serving [a half a liter I think] of blood product for a hospital is about 178 NIS) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Recommendations for an all-in-one printer/fax/scanner?
On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Omer Zak w...@zak.co.il wrote: [SNIP] I would say that today it's anything but HP - unless things changed [/SNIP] I must admit that my experience couldn't be any different. I've got a large number of HP printers both at work and at home, most of them MFP (multi function printers) and beyond the blood-like ink prices, HP's Linux support is top notch - no matter what distribution is being used. (We have Fedora, Ubuntu, SUSE and Slackware). Beyond the obvious (cups, x/sane), HPLIP toolbox more or less mirror's the HP Window toolbox minus the all the bloatware and in most cases the printer simply works out of the box. FWIW I've I currently have / use 4 different HP printers: - LaserJet 1212MFP (Works just fine as a printer and scanner, fax firmware is problematic). - OfficeJet 6700 (Two days old. No comments thus far). - OfficeJet 5784 (4.5 [!] years old, Amazing [] printer. being replaced by 6700 due ink prices). - OfficeJet 4580 (3 years old, Good printer, slowish scanner, problematic auto-feeder). Hope it helps, - Gilboa ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Recommendations for an all-in-one printer/fax/scanner?
On 8/19/2013 10:35 AM, Gilboa Davara wrote: Beyond the obvious (cups, x/sane), HPLIP toolbox more or less mirror's the HP Window toolbox minus the all the bloatware and in most cases the printer simply works out of the box. If you download the CORPORATE windows drivers for your HP printer you get it without the bloatware. To be honest I have not tried to use it to scan with my ethernet attached multifunction printer, but it does print well. Most of the problems I have found with HP printers on networks is due to them having floating IP addresses (randomly assigned by DHCP servers) and if you give them a fixed IP address they work fine. Windows also supports printing over HTTP, so you can easily connect your windows system to CUPS. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Recommendations for an all-in-one printer/fax/scanner?
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: If you download the CORPORATE windows drivers for your HP printer you get it without the bloatware. True, but even the HP corporate drivers tend to be big, slow and have a fairly complex installation procedure compared to Linux. E.g. In many versions the installation will fail if the printer is connected to the machine while the USB driver is being installed. (Though, in HP's defense this a pure Windows issue and not HP related). - Gilboa ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Recommendations for an all-in-one printer/fax/scanner?
Hi, Thanks to all for your replies. Based on them and reviews, I've decided on an HP Officejet Pro 8600+ (710 NIS, picking it up this evening). Will let the honorable forum know if I find any surprises with this, for better or worse. Cheers, Rony ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Recommendations for an all-in-one printer/fax/scanner?
I would also recommend checking Google Cloud print. You can install it on any Linux server (even headless), and then you can use it from anywhere. See here: http://support.google.com/a/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=2906017 תודה, חץ בן חמו חץ ביז- שרותי פרילאנס לניהול ותחזוקת שרתי Linux ופתרונות וירטואליזציה. טלפון: 054-5297156 אתם מוזמנים לבקר אותנו בבלוג היעוץ שלנו 2013/8/19 Gilboa Davara gilb...@gmail.com: On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: If you download the CORPORATE windows drivers for your HP printer you get it without the bloatware. True, but even the HP corporate drivers tend to be big, slow and have a fairly complex installation procedure compared to Linux. E.g. In many versions the installation will fail if the printer is connected to the machine while the USB driver is being installed. (Though, in HP's defense this a pure Windows issue and not HP related). - Gilboa ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Recommendations for an all-in-one printer/fax/scanner?
Greetings, My trusty HP all-in-one has finally gone to the great bit-bucket in the sky after one of the scanner lid hinges broke, and I'm looking for a replacement. This is for home use: Color printing is required by family members. Other than that, I'd like network connectivity (pref. via Ethernet, not WiFi), and of course Linux-friendliness. Back in the day, the consensus was anything but Lexmark. Has this changed? Thanks, Rony -- Ubi dubium, ibi libertas (where there is doubt, there is freedom) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Recommendations for an all-in-one printer/fax/scanner?
I would say that today it's anything but HP - unless things changed for the better during the last two or so years. I am an happy user of the Brother MFC-490W printer-FAX-scanner-copier. --- Omer On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 10:29 +0300, ronys wrote: Greetings, My trusty HP all-in-one has finally gone to the great bit-bucket in the sky after one of the scanner lid hinges broke, and I'm looking for a replacement. This is for home use: Color printing is required by family members. Other than that, I'd like network connectivity (pref. via Ethernet, not WiFi), and of course Linux-friendliness. Back in the day, the consensus was anything but Lexmark. Has this changed? -- One does not make peace with enemies. One makes peace with former enemies. My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
OOPS, I meant MFC-490CW (Re: Recommendations for an all-in-one printer/fax/scanner?)
On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 10:41 +0300, Omer Zak wrote: I would say that today it's anything but HP - unless things changed for the better during the last two or so years. I am an happy user of the Brother MFC-490W printer-FAX-scanner-copier. OOPS, I meant Brother MFC-490CW. -- I am the Cochlear Corporation of the Borg. All resistance is futile. Deaf Culture is irrelevant. YOU SHALL BE IMPLANTED. My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: OOPS, I meant MFC-490CW (Re: Recommendations for an all-in-one printer/fax/scanner?)
I have it the other way around. I really like the HP All in one and their hplip Linux package which does almost anything that the Windows drivers do - and more (yay, Python scripting ;) ). Furthermore, HP is only company which actually DO give support for their Linux drivers with the printers, something which I didn't find with any other vendor. see this: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/support.html תודה, חץ בן חמו חץ ביז- שרותי פרילאנס לניהול ותחזוקת שרתי Linux ופתרונות וירטואליזציה. טלפון: 054-5297156 אתם מוזמנים לבקר אותנו בבלוג היעוץ שלנו 2013/8/18 Omer Zak w...@zak.co.il: On Sun, 2013-08-18 at 10:41 +0300, Omer Zak wrote: I would say that today it's anything but HP - unless things changed for the better during the last two or so years. I am an happy user of the Brother MFC-490W printer-FAX-scanner-copier. OOPS, I meant Brother MFC-490CW. -- I am the Cochlear Corporation of the Borg. All resistance is futile. Deaf Culture is irrelevant. YOU SHALL BE IMPLANTED. My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Recommendations for an all-in-one printer/fax/scanner?
On 18/08/13 10:41, Omer Zak wrote: I would say that today it's anything but HP - unless things changed for the better during the last two or so years. Please elaborate. Shachar ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Recommendations for an all-in-one printer/fax/scanner?
On 18/08/13 10:29, ronys wrote: Greetings, My trusty HP all-in-one has finally gone to the great bit-bucket in the sky after one of the scanner lid hinges broke, and I'm looking for a replacement. This is for home use: Color printing is required by family members. Other than that, I'd like network connectivity (pref. via Ethernet, not WiFi), and of course Linux-friendliness. Back in the day, the consensus was anything but Lexmark. Has this changed? Thanks, Rony Linux prints using CUPS. This is Common Unix Printing System. It is written by Apple, and is the way Mac OS X prints as well. Due to the increased popularity of Mac machines lately (justified or not is a discussion I won't go into right now), things should be fairly good all round. Shachar ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Recommendations for an all-in-one printer/fax/scanner?
ronys ro...@gmx.net writes: My trusty HP all-in-one has finally gone to the great bit-bucket in the sky after one of the scanner lid hinges broke, and I'm looking for a replacement. This is for home use: Color printing is required by family members. Other than that, I'd like network connectivity (pref. via Ethernet, not WiFi), and of course Linux-friendliness. I got myself a new printer/scanner for exactly the same reason a few weeks ago. I don't know where anything but HP comes from. I got another HP, and just like the previous one it worked right out of the box, no issues whatsoever. Other makes should also be fine, but I'd regard HP as among the best in the pack, practically guaranteed to work without any configuration effort, and they have a wide range of models to suit every need. E.g., I don't need a fax and I found that a printer/scanner without a fax was quite a bit cheaper. And models often come in pairs with and without Wi-Fi - if you don't need Wi-Fi it will also be noticeably cheaper. Ink will likely dominate your long term expenses, anyway. I am not even sure mine's got an Ethernet port and I am too lazy to check. I just plugged it into a USB port of one of my computers and started a CUPS server on it, and I can print from anywere (check the firewall rules on the server though). Make sure to find out whether the box includes a USB cable - mine didn't, but I reused the one from the old printer. One thing to check is whether the printer turns itself off when idle. My new printer does - apparently the idea is that it's a personal device that is nearby, and you are supposed to press a button when you need to print or scan. It's no problem for me, but if your house is large your mileage may vary. Literally. At some point you'll need to go to the printer to pick up the pages, anyway, but having to do it each time before clicking Print still looks kinda silly. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | p...@goldshmidt.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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On Sunday 18 August 2013 10:41:38 Omer Zak wrote: I would say that today it's anything but HP - unless things changed for the better during the last two or so years. Really? Let's debunk this baseless paragraph... * I'll start with personal and therefore anecdotal experience: - HP LaserJet-5L (yes, in the 90's) -- still with old 'lpr' - Later two HP-DeskJet's -- forgot which exact models - Than an All-In-One (HP-PSC-1210, USB connection) - Currently an All-In-One HP-OfficeJet-6313 (Using Ethernet) In terms of Linux support: - HP maintains HPLIP support since ~2005 - All is FOSS (GPLv2, BSD, MIT) - As a result, it's included in all major distributions. - So it works out of the box. - It supports all functions: - Printing (via CUPS) - Scanning (via a SANE plugin, so you can scan directly from LibreOffice, Gimp, etc.) - Faxing (scanning + some glue FOSS code in python). - Reading ink-levels, calibrating, etc. - If you encounter bugs, your distro developers can actually do something about it. Here are HPLIP bugs for Fedora/RHEL: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?component=hplip I am an happy user of the Brother MFC-490W printer-FAX-scanner-copier. * Can you enlighten us where did you get the drivers? (for ALL functions). * I did google'd and found deb/rpm BINARIES for this printer in Brother's site. * Are there FOSS-licensed sources? (not hidden behind click-walls) -- this is the only interesting question. Bye, -- Oron Peled Voice: +972-4-8228492 o...@actcom.co.il http://users.actcom.co.il/~oron Software is like Entropy: it's hard to grasp, weighs nothing and obeys the Second Law of Thermodynamics, i.e. it always increases -- Norman Augustine ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
