Re: Secure nfs

2002-11-16 Thread Ehud Karni
On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 09:56:53 +0200 (IST), Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can that key be limited to running only one command (or script?) > > This will limit the impact of a possible breach. Yes the key can be limited, I already described it in my answer to Eran. Here it is again:

Re: Secure nfs

2002-11-16 Thread mnna4
, E.G. the OS used on AS400. - Original Message - From: "Eran Tromer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Meir Michanie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "IGLU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 9:48 AM Subject: Re: S

Re: Secure nfs

2002-11-16 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Eran Tromer wrote: > Having peeked at the TCFS sourcecode and scanned their 95-slides > presentation > (http://www.tcfs.it/docs/linux-expo-2001/Diapositiva1.JPG.html): > > TCFS encrypts at the file block level, and the protocol for sending file > blocks back and forth is plain

Re: Secure nfs

2002-11-16 Thread Eran Tromer
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Eran Tromer wrote: > >>Having peeked at the TCFS sourcecode and scanned their 95-slides >>presentation >>(http://www.tcfs.it/docs/linux-expo-2001/Diapositiva1.JPG.html): >> >>TCFS encrypts at the file block level, and the protocol for sending file >>bloc

Re: Secure nfs

2002-11-16 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On 15 Nov 2002, Meir Michanie wrote: > The problem with using nfs today is authentication (don't read > authorization, it may be another problem). > > NFS and PORTMAP relay on trusted hosts, you could use ips ordns names, > or * (wilcards?) > > spoffing this is as simple mounting the nfs share usi

Re: Secure nfs

2002-11-16 Thread Eran Tromer
Ehud Karni wrote: > On 15 Nov 2002 00:28:00 +0200, Meir Michanie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>3. get the private key from one compromised client and you have root >>control over the net, next step would be ssh root@server -i >>compromised-key > > That is not true. The intruder has already root pri

Re: Secure nfs

2002-11-15 Thread Shaul Karl
On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 06:58:54AM +0200, Eran Tromer wrote: > I see that Coda is now in the stock Linux kernel, so maybe things have > indeed improved. > > Eran > Wasn't there a CODA option in the Kernel configuration for a long time? I do know that a new or improved CODA package was uplo

Re: Secure nfs

2002-11-15 Thread Ehud Karni
On 15 Nov 2002 00:28:00 +0200, Meir Michanie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > One solution is using NFS over ssh. > > to do this you need: > > 1. edit /etc/exports to something like > /home localhost(rw,root_squash,secure) Agreed. > 2. generate a private key for root and put it in ever

Re: Secure nfs

2002-11-15 Thread Meir Michanie
I have noticed another thing with this post. People talk about security, firewalling, but I am 100% sure than there is more people in this list besides me that need the functionality of NFS, worst is that I am sure they as I were letting this issue pass under their eyes. So ... How come nobody re

Re: Secure nfs

2002-11-15 Thread Noam Meltzer
On Fri, 2002-11-15 at 07:32, Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote: > Quoth Eran Tromer: > > > Meir Michanie wrote: > > > The problem with using nfs today is authentication (don't read > > > authorization, it may be another problem) > > > > The alternative filesystems included AFS, SFS, CODA and

Re: Secure nfs

2002-11-15 Thread Eran Tromer
Having peeked at the TCFS sourcecode and scanned their 95-slides presentation (http://www.tcfs.it/docs/linux-expo-2001/Diapositiva1.JPG.html): TCFS encrypts at the file block level, and the protocol for sending file blocks back and forth is plain NFS, so an eavesdropper knows which block of which

Re: Secure nfs

2002-11-14 Thread Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader
Quoth Eran Tromer: > Meir Michanie wrote: > > The problem with using nfs today is authentication (don't read > > authorization, it may be another problem) > > The alternative filesystems included AFS, SFS, CODA and InterMezzo. Hmmm... I suspect that TCFS (Transparent Cryptographic FS) is the bet

Re: Secure nfs

2002-11-14 Thread Eran Tromer
I see that Coda is now in the stock Linux kernel, so maybe things have indeed improved. Eran Eran Tromer wrote: > The alternative filesystems included AFS, SFS, CODA and InterMezzo. > Theoretically all are up to the task, but the last three were immature > (at least at that time) and AFS lacks

Re: Secure nfs

2002-11-14 Thread Eran Tromer
mised-key [...] Yup, NFS is fundamentally broken in this sense. We discussed this issue on linux-il a while ago (subject: "Secure NFS with untrusted clients"), and shockingly enough there weren't any good answers. The alternative filesystems included AFS, SFS, CODA and InterMezzo. T

Secure nfs

2002-11-14 Thread Meir Michanie
The problem with using nfs today is authentication (don't read authorization, it may be another problem). NFS and PORTMAP relay on trusted hosts, you could use ips or dns names, or * (wilcards?) spoffing this is as simple mounting the nfs share using edited local /etc/passwd. You may say that h

Re: Secure NFS with untrusted clients

2002-03-03 Thread Eran Tromer
Daniel Pearson wrote: > On Sat, Feb 23, 2002, Eran Tromer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > the following: >>Not a pretty situation, for something as basic as a network filesystem >>in which you don't have to totally trust all client boxes! >>And let's admit it, WinNT shows that better solutions ar

Re: Secure NFS with untrusted clients

2002-03-03 Thread Daniel Pearson
On Sat, Feb 23, 2002, Eran Tromer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote the following: [long description of the shortcomings of AFS snipped] > Not a pretty situation, for something as basic as a network filesystem > in which you don't have to totally trust all client boxes! > And let's admit it, WinNT show

Re: Secure NFS with untrusted clients

2002-02-23 Thread Eran Tromer
Hi, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Eran Tromer wrote: >> >>I wonder about the following scenario, which is quite common: >>A large network consisting of many users and many Unix boxes. Users >>aren't supposed to have root access to any box. All home directories >>reside on a central

Re: Secure NFS with untrusted clients

2002-02-21 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Eran Tromer wrote: > Hello, > > I wonder about the following scenario, which is quite common: > A large network consisting of many users and many Unix boxes. Users > aren't supposed to have root access to any box. All home directories > reside on a central fileserver. How do

Secure NFS with untrusted clients

2002-02-21 Thread Eran Tromer
Hello, I wonder about the following scenario, which is quite common: A large network consisting of many users and many Unix boxes. Users aren't supposed to have root access to any box. All home directories reside on a central fileserver. How do you configure the networked filesystem? The obvi

Re: Secure NFS w/ changing IP

1999-05-03 Thread Vadim Smelyansky
On Tue, 4 May 1999, guy keren wrote: I think you need something like this. Package: cfs Priority: extra Section: non-us/otherosfs Installed-Size: 396 Maintainer: Patrick J. Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Architecture: i386 Version: 1.3.3-1 Size: 174072 Description: Cryptographic Filesystem

Re: Secure NFS w/ changing IP

1999-05-03 Thread guy keren
On Sun, 2 May 1999, Alex Shnitman wrote: > Is anybody aware of an alternative to NFS that works the way ssh does, > i.e. does authentication not according to the IP but according to the > existance of the right key on the other side? Some kind of NFS with > public-key cryptoraphy? In other word

Re: Secure NFS w/ changing IP

1999-05-02 Thread Ury Segal
It have nothing to do with NFS security; it is related to ONC RPC security. The whole point behind RPC is to free client-server programmers from certion tasks; Security is one of them. For a Linux solution see: http://www.fit.qut.edu.au/~ashley/sesp5b.html Guy Cohen wrote: > At this (Sun,

Re: Secure NFS w/ changing IP

1999-05-02 Thread Guy Cohen
At this (Sun, May 02, 1999 at 04:19:24PM +0300) day, Alex Shnitman wrote: | Hi. | | Is anybody aware of an alternative to NFS that works the way ssh does, | i.e. does authentication not according to the IP but according to the | existance of the right key on the other side? Some kind of NFS with

Re: Secure NFS w/ changing IP

1999-05-02 Thread Evgeny Stambulchik
Alex Shnitman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I reckon this is not a unique situation. What do other people use for > synchronizing work over their computers? They use rsync. rsync -e ssh to feel safe. Regards, Evgeny -- / Evge

Secure NFS w/ changing IP

1999-05-02 Thread Alex Shnitman
Hi. Is anybody aware of an alternative to NFS that works the way ssh does, i.e. does authentication not according to the IP but according to the existance of the right key on the other side? Some kind of NFS with public-key cryptoraphy? In other words, something that is to NFS what ssh is to rsh