Re: Using ComSign smart card
2010/11/14 Ori Idan o...@helicontech.co.il: From looking at Tehila web site it seems they do support Mac OS/X but do not support linux (yet, they say). However from looking into some of the card readers they offer, it seems that most card readers have Linux drivers. For example: http://www.athena-scs.com/product.asp?pid=1 More drivers can be found at: http://www.linuxnet.com/sourcedrivers.html So it seems there is no problem using the card readers under Linux. I hope there aren't any other problems such as Explorer only websites etc. We have about a year to solve these problems as all of us who report VAT will need to report their VAT report using these methods from 1-1-2012 From what I know, SHA'AM are responsible for developing the websites for the tax authorities. They don't understand in open standards, and they also don't care! I think talking to someone there and understanding who is in charge of the the website development, and maybe one of you consultants will give them some hours to help open their development process. Regards, Kfir -- Ori Idan On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Amos Shapira amos.shap...@gmail.com wrote: How is the market share of Apple in Israel these days? Their distrobutors should be interested in this issue as well. On 15/11/2010 7:14 AM, Ori Idan o...@helicontech.co.il wrote: No, I do not think the people from Tehila will help me. I did this only to let them know that people use other operating systems. I hope that other people will do that too. I did search the net and found that they use card readers by some know manufacturers see for example: http://www.scmmicro.com/security/view_product_en.php?PID=4 -- Ori Idan On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com wrote: Ori, You really... ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Using ComSign smart card
VAT authorities will soon ask all reports to be signed using comsign digital signature and identification should be done using their smartcard. How can this smartcard be used under Linux? -- Ori Idan ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Using ComSign smart card
As much as I heard, for now it's only companies who make 4 millions annually. Hetz 2010/11/14 Ori Idan o...@helicontech.co.il VAT authorities will soon ask all reports to be signed using comsign digital signature and identification should be done using their smartcard. How can this smartcard be used under Linux? -- Ori Idan ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- *חץ בן חמו חץ-ביז (הוסטינג) *השכרה ואירוח של שרתים פיזיים השכרת שרתים וירטואליים מקצועיים וגדולים במחירים *קטנים* בקרו באתרנו בכתובת hetz.biz http://www.hetz.biz/ ובבלוג שלנו: blog.hetz.biz טלפוןן: 078113/4/5, אימייל: sa...@hetz.biz מסנג'ר: sa...@hetz.biz - סקייפ: heunique ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Using ComSign smart card
Currently only 4 millions annually but from next year all companies and from 2011 everyone including small businesses. So we have to be ready for this. -- Ori Idan 2010/11/14 Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com As much as I heard, for now it's only companies who make 4 millions annually. Hetz 2010/11/14 Ori Idan o...@helicontech.co.il VAT authorities will soon ask all reports to be signed using comsign digital signature and identification should be done using their smartcard. How can this smartcard be used under Linux? -- Ori Idan ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- *חץ בן חמו חץ-ביז (הוסטינג) *השכרה ואירוח של שרתים פיזיים השכרת שרתים וירטואליים מקצועיים וגדולים במחירים *קטנים* בקרו באתרנו בכתובת hetz.biz http://www.hetz.biz/ ובבלוג שלנו: blog.hetz.biz טלפוןן: 078113/4/5, אימייל: sa...@hetz.biz מסנג'ר: sa...@hetz.biz - סקייפ: heunique ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Using ComSign smart card
2010/11/14 Ori Idan o...@helicontech.co.il: Currently only 4 millions annually but from next year all companies and from 2011 everyone including small businesses. So we have to be ready for this. Have you directed the question to the VAT authorities? -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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Yes I did and did not get any answer yet. -- Ori Idan On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/14 Ori Idan o...@helicontech.co.il: Currently only 4 millions annually but from next year all companies and from 2011 everyone including small businesses. So we have to be ready for this. Have you directed the question to the VAT authorities? -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Using ComSign smart card
On 11/14/2010 11:46 AM, Ori Idan wrote: Currently only 4 millions annually but from next year all companies and from 2011 everyone including small businesses. So we have to be ready for this. Call Comsign (the Certificates arm of Comda). They are most helpful with regards to their CA operation. -- Ariel -- Ariel Biener e-mail: ar...@post.tau.ac.il PGP: http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Using ComSign smart card
I talked with Comsign they refered me to TEHILA. I wrote Email to TEHILA but did not get any answer yet. From searching google it seems that the companies who manufacture the smartcard reader have drivers to Linux, it seems however that these are proprietary drivers. I think that many of us have to be worried about this, I guess many people here are freelancers or have small companies. Currently it seems we got a delay, they wanted that from 1-1-2011 everyone will start reporting using the new system and now they said that only businesses earning more then 1.6 million NIS per year will be obligated. They still say that from 1--1-2012 Every one will have to report this way. Look at: http://ozar.mof.gov.il/taxes/heshbonotMekuvan.htm (hebrew) -- Ori Idan On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Ariel Biener ar...@post.tau.ac.il wrote: On 11/14/2010 11:46 AM, Ori Idan wrote: Currently only 4 millions annually but from next year all companies and from 2011 everyone including small businesses. So we have to be ready for this. Call Comsign (the Certificates arm of Comda). They are most helpful with regards to their CA operation. -- Ariel -- Ariel Biener e-mail: ar...@post.tau.ac.il PGP: http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Using ComSign smart card
Ori, You really think the people from Tehila will help you? They know well how to manage servers, but Linux support for smart cards? ha! How much does it cost to register/buy the card etc? I'll register, get the stuff and see if I can assist. Since I'm not an expert in smart cards, and assuming I'll find a way to use some drivers with the card, which apps should I test to mark the thing as passed or not? This will be fun :) Hetz 2010/11/14 Ori Idan o...@helicontech.co.il I talked with Comsign they refered me to TEHILA. I wrote Email to TEHILA but did not get any answer yet. From searching google it seems that the companies who manufacture the smartcard reader have drivers to Linux, it seems however that these are proprietary drivers. I think that many of us have to be worried about this, I guess many people here are freelancers or have small companies. Currently it seems we got a delay, they wanted that from 1-1-2011 everyone will start reporting using the new system and now they said that only businesses earning more then 1.6 million NIS per year will be obligated. They still say that from 1--1-2012 Every one will have to report this way. Look at: http://ozar.mof.gov.il/taxes/heshbonotMekuvan.htm (hebrew) -- Ori Idan On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Ariel Biener ar...@post.tau.ac.ilwrote: On 11/14/2010 11:46 AM, Ori Idan wrote: Currently only 4 millions annually but from next year all companies and from 2011 everyone including small businesses. So we have to be ready for this. Call Comsign (the Certificates arm of Comda). They are most helpful with regards to their CA operation. -- Ariel -- Ariel Biener e-mail: ar...@post.tau.ac.il PGP: http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html -- *חץ בן חמו חץ-ביז (הוסטינג) *השכרה ואירוח של שרתים פיזיים השכרת שרתים וירטואליים מקצועיים וגדולים במחירים *קטנים* בקרו באתרנו בכתובת hetz.biz http://www.hetz.biz/ ובבלוג שלנו: blog.hetz.biz טלפוןן: 078113/4/5, אימייל: sa...@hetz.biz מסנג'ר: sa...@hetz.biz - סקייפ: heunique ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Using ComSign smart card
No, I do not think the people from Tehila will help me. I did this only to let them know that people use other operating systems. I hope that other people will do that too. I did search the net and found that they use card readers by some know manufacturers see for example: http://www.scmmicro.com/security/view_product_en.php?PID=4 -- Ori Idan On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com wrote: Ori, You really think the people from Tehila will help you? They know well how to manage servers, but Linux support for smart cards? ha! How much does it cost to register/buy the card etc? I'll register, get the stuff and see if I can assist. Since I'm not an expert in smart cards, and assuming I'll find a way to use some drivers with the card, which apps should I test to mark the thing as passed or not? This will be fun :) Hetz 2010/11/14 Ori Idan o...@helicontech.co.il I talked with Comsign they refered me to TEHILA. I wrote Email to TEHILA but did not get any answer yet. From searching google it seems that the companies who manufacture the smartcard reader have drivers to Linux, it seems however that these are proprietary drivers. I think that many of us have to be worried about this, I guess many people here are freelancers or have small companies. Currently it seems we got a delay, they wanted that from 1-1-2011 everyone will start reporting using the new system and now they said that only businesses earning more then 1.6 million NIS per year will be obligated. They still say that from 1--1-2012 Every one will have to report this way. Look at: http://ozar.mof.gov.il/taxes/heshbonotMekuvan.htm (hebrew) -- Ori Idan On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Ariel Biener ar...@post.tau.ac.ilwrote: On 11/14/2010 11:46 AM, Ori Idan wrote: Currently only 4 millions annually but from next year all companies and from 2011 everyone including small businesses. So we have to be ready for this. Call Comsign (the Certificates arm of Comda). They are most helpful with regards to their CA operation. -- Ariel -- Ariel Biener e-mail: ar...@post.tau.ac.il PGP: http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html -- *חץ בן חמו חץ-ביז (הוסטינג) *השכרה ואירוח של שרתים פיזיים השכרת שרתים וירטואליים מקצועיים וגדולים במחירים *קטנים* בקרו באתרנו בכתובת hetz.biz http://www.hetz.biz/ ובבלוג שלנו: blog.hetz.biz טלפוןן: 078113/4/5, אימייל: sa...@hetz.biz מסנג'ר: sa...@hetz.biz - סקייפ: heunique ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Using ComSign smart card
Which means the drivers are free? Good to know that Fedora already has the drivers, which means that it might be very easy to use it, even easier then in windows :-) -- Ori Idan On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the link, this card reader uses the pc/sc interface which drivers, daemon etc are already inside standard linux distributions, my Fedora 13 has it already. I'll call comsign tommorow. Hetz 2010/11/14 Ori Idan o...@helicontech.co.il No, I do not think the people from Tehila will help me. I did this only to let them know that people use other operating systems. I hope that other people will do that too. I did search the net and found that they use card readers by some know manufacturers see for example: http://www.scmmicro.com/security/view_product_en.php?PID=4 -- Ori Idan On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com wrote: Ori, You really think the people from Tehila will help you? They know well how to manage servers, but Linux support for smart cards? ha! How much does it cost to register/buy the card etc? I'll register, get the stuff and see if I can assist. Since I'm not an expert in smart cards, and assuming I'll find a way to use some drivers with the card, which apps should I test to mark the thing as passed or not? This will be fun :) Hetz 2010/11/14 Ori Idan o...@helicontech.co.il I talked with Comsign they refered me to TEHILA. I wrote Email to TEHILA but did not get any answer yet. From searching google it seems that the companies who manufacture the smartcard reader have drivers to Linux, it seems however that these are proprietary drivers. I think that many of us have to be worried about this, I guess many people here are freelancers or have small companies. Currently it seems we got a delay, they wanted that from 1-1-2011 everyone will start reporting using the new system and now they said that only businesses earning more then 1.6 million NIS per year will be obligated. They still say that from 1--1-2012 Every one will have to report this way. Look at: http://ozar.mof.gov.il/taxes/heshbonotMekuvan.htm (hebrew) -- Ori Idan On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Ariel Biener ar...@post.tau.ac.ilwrote: On 11/14/2010 11:46 AM, Ori Idan wrote: Currently only 4 millions annually but from next year all companies and from 2011 everyone including small businesses. So we have to be ready for this. Call Comsign (the Certificates arm of Comda). They are most helpful with regards to their CA operation. -- Ariel -- Ariel Biener e-mail: ar...@post.tau.ac.il PGP: http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html -- *חץ בן חמו חץ-ביז (הוסטינג) *השכרה ואירוח של שרתים פיזיים השכרת שרתים וירטואליים מקצועיים וגדולים במחירים *קטנים* בקרו באתרנו בכתובת hetz.biz http://www.hetz.biz/ ובבלוג שלנו: blog.hetz.biz טלפוןן: 078113/4/5, אימייל: sa...@hetz.biz מסנג'ר: sa...@hetz.biz - סקייפ: heunique -- *חץ בן חמו חץ-ביז (הוסטינג) *השכרה ואירוח של שרתים פיזיים השכרת שרתים וירטואליים מקצועיים וגדולים במחירים *קטנים* בקרו באתרנו בכתובת hetz.biz http://www.hetz.biz/ ובבלוג שלנו: blog.hetz.biz טלפוןן: 078113/4/5, אימייל: sa...@hetz.biz מסנג'ר: sa...@hetz.biz - סקייפ: heunique ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Using ComSign smart card
The framework is there, daemon is there, I don't know if what Comsign sells is supported or not and how many variants of cards + readers they sell (let me guess: the cheapest ones, and they make tons of money from them). I'll talk to them tomorrow. Hetz 2010/11/14 Ori Idan o...@helicontech.co.il Which means the drivers are free? Good to know that Fedora already has the drivers, which means that it might be very easy to use it, even easier then in windows :-) -- Ori Idan On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the link, this card reader uses the pc/sc interface which drivers, daemon etc are already inside standard linux distributions, my Fedora 13 has it already. I'll call comsign tommorow. Hetz 2010/11/14 Ori Idan o...@helicontech.co.il No, I do not think the people from Tehila will help me. I did this only to let them know that people use other operating systems. I hope that other people will do that too. I did search the net and found that they use card readers by some know manufacturers see for example: http://www.scmmicro.com/security/view_product_en.php?PID=4 -- Ori Idan On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.comwrote: Ori, You really think the people from Tehila will help you? They know well how to manage servers, but Linux support for smart cards? ha! How much does it cost to register/buy the card etc? I'll register, get the stuff and see if I can assist. Since I'm not an expert in smart cards, and assuming I'll find a way to use some drivers with the card, which apps should I test to mark the thing as passed or not? This will be fun :) Hetz 2010/11/14 Ori Idan o...@helicontech.co.il I talked with Comsign they refered me to TEHILA. I wrote Email to TEHILA but did not get any answer yet. From searching google it seems that the companies who manufacture the smartcard reader have drivers to Linux, it seems however that these are proprietary drivers. I think that many of us have to be worried about this, I guess many people here are freelancers or have small companies. Currently it seems we got a delay, they wanted that from 1-1-2011 everyone will start reporting using the new system and now they said that only businesses earning more then 1.6 million NIS per year will be obligated. They still say that from 1--1-2012 Every one will have to report this way. Look at: http://ozar.mof.gov.il/taxes/heshbonotMekuvan.htm (hebrew) -- Ori Idan On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Ariel Biener ar...@post.tau.ac.ilwrote: On 11/14/2010 11:46 AM, Ori Idan wrote: Currently only 4 millions annually but from next year all companies and from 2011 everyone including small businesses. So we have to be ready for this. Call Comsign (the Certificates arm of Comda). They are most helpful with regards to their CA operation. -- Ariel -- Ariel Biener e-mail: ar...@post.tau.ac.il PGP: http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html -- *חץ בן חמו חץ-ביז (הוסטינג) *השכרה ואירוח של שרתים פיזיים השכרת שרתים וירטואליים מקצועיים וגדולים במחירים *קטנים* בקרו באתרנו בכתובת hetz.biz http://www.hetz.biz/ ובבלוג שלנו: blog.hetz.biz טלפוןן: 078113/4/5, אימייל: sa...@hetz.biz מסנג'ר: sa...@hetz.biz - סקייפ: heunique -- *חץ בן חמו חץ-ביז (הוסטינג) *השכרה ואירוח של שרתים פיזיים השכרת שרתים וירטואליים מקצועיים וגדולים במחירים *קטנים* בקרו באתרנו בכתובת hetz.biz http://www.hetz.biz/ ובבלוג שלנו: blog.hetz.biz טלפוןן: 078113/4/5, אימייל: sa...@hetz.biz מסנג'ר: sa...@hetz.biz - סקייפ: heunique -- *חץ בן חמו חץ-ביז (הוסטינג) *השכרה ואירוח של שרתים פיזיים השכרת שרתים וירטואליים מקצועיים וגדולים במחירים *קטנים* בקרו באתרנו בכתובת hetz.biz http://www.hetz.biz/ ובבלוג שלנו: blog.hetz.biz טלפוןן: 078113/4/5, אימייל: sa...@hetz.biz מסנג'ר: sa...@hetz.biz - סקייפ: heunique ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Using ComSign smart card
Thanks for the link, this card reader uses the pc/sc interface which drivers, daemon etc are already inside standard linux distributions, my Fedora 13 has it already. I'll call comsign tommorow. Hetz 2010/11/14 Ori Idan o...@helicontech.co.il No, I do not think the people from Tehila will help me. I did this only to let them know that people use other operating systems. I hope that other people will do that too. I did search the net and found that they use card readers by some know manufacturers see for example: http://www.scmmicro.com/security/view_product_en.php?PID=4 -- Ori Idan On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com wrote: Ori, You really think the people from Tehila will help you? They know well how to manage servers, but Linux support for smart cards? ha! How much does it cost to register/buy the card etc? I'll register, get the stuff and see if I can assist. Since I'm not an expert in smart cards, and assuming I'll find a way to use some drivers with the card, which apps should I test to mark the thing as passed or not? This will be fun :) Hetz 2010/11/14 Ori Idan o...@helicontech.co.il I talked with Comsign they refered me to TEHILA. I wrote Email to TEHILA but did not get any answer yet. From searching google it seems that the companies who manufacture the smartcard reader have drivers to Linux, it seems however that these are proprietary drivers. I think that many of us have to be worried about this, I guess many people here are freelancers or have small companies. Currently it seems we got a delay, they wanted that from 1-1-2011 everyone will start reporting using the new system and now they said that only businesses earning more then 1.6 million NIS per year will be obligated. They still say that from 1--1-2012 Every one will have to report this way. Look at: http://ozar.mof.gov.il/taxes/heshbonotMekuvan.htm (hebrew) -- Ori Idan On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Ariel Biener ar...@post.tau.ac.ilwrote: On 11/14/2010 11:46 AM, Ori Idan wrote: Currently only 4 millions annually but from next year all companies and from 2011 everyone including small businesses. So we have to be ready for this. Call Comsign (the Certificates arm of Comda). They are most helpful with regards to their CA operation. -- Ariel -- Ariel Biener e-mail: ar...@post.tau.ac.il PGP: http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html -- *חץ בן חמו חץ-ביז (הוסטינג) *השכרה ואירוח של שרתים פיזיים השכרת שרתים וירטואליים מקצועיים וגדולים במחירים *קטנים* בקרו באתרנו בכתובת hetz.biz http://www.hetz.biz/ ובבלוג שלנו: blog.hetz.biz טלפוןן: 078113/4/5, אימייל: sa...@hetz.biz מסנג'ר: sa...@hetz.biz - סקייפ: heunique -- *חץ בן חמו חץ-ביז (הוסטינג) *השכרה ואירוח של שרתים פיזיים השכרת שרתים וירטואליים מקצועיים וגדולים במחירים *קטנים* בקרו באתרנו בכתובת hetz.biz http://www.hetz.biz/ ובבלוג שלנו: blog.hetz.biz טלפוןן: 078113/4/5, אימייל: sa...@hetz.biz מסנג'ר: sa...@hetz.biz - סקייפ: heunique ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Using ComSign smart card
From the conversation I had today with Comsign representative it seems that it is not Comsign who is responsible for it. It is Tehila which means it is even worse since we know Tehila can not even manage their own servers. Comsign seems to be only the CA the issues the digital signatures. I think this is also a problem that we must use only one CA. -- Ori Idan On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com wrote: The framework is there, daemon is there, I don't know if what Comsign sells is supported or not and how many variants of cards + readers they sell (let me guess: the cheapest ones, and they make tons of money from them). I'll talk to them tomorrow. Hetz 2010/11/14 Ori Idan o...@helicontech.co.il Which means the drivers are free? Good to know that Fedora already has the drivers, which means that it might be very easy to use it, even easier then in windows :-) -- Ori Idan On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the link, this card reader uses the pc/sc interface which drivers, daemon etc are already inside standard linux distributions, my Fedora 13 has it already. I'll call comsign tommorow. Hetz 2010/11/14 Ori Idan o...@helicontech.co.il No, I do not think the people from Tehila will help me. I did this only to let them know that people use other operating systems. I hope that other people will do that too. I did search the net and found that they use card readers by some know manufacturers see for example: http://www.scmmicro.com/security/view_product_en.php?PID=4 -- Ori Idan On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.comwrote: Ori, You really think the people from Tehila will help you? They know well how to manage servers, but Linux support for smart cards? ha! How much does it cost to register/buy the card etc? I'll register, get the stuff and see if I can assist. Since I'm not an expert in smart cards, and assuming I'll find a way to use some drivers with the card, which apps should I test to mark the thing as passed or not? This will be fun :) Hetz 2010/11/14 Ori Idan o...@helicontech.co.il I talked with Comsign they refered me to TEHILA. I wrote Email to TEHILA but did not get any answer yet. From searching google it seems that the companies who manufacture the smartcard reader have drivers to Linux, it seems however that these are proprietary drivers. I think that many of us have to be worried about this, I guess many people here are freelancers or have small companies. Currently it seems we got a delay, they wanted that from 1-1-2011 everyone will start reporting using the new system and now they said that only businesses earning more then 1.6 million NIS per year will be obligated. They still say that from 1--1-2012 Every one will have to report this way. Look at: http://ozar.mof.gov.il/taxes/heshbonotMekuvan.htm (hebrew) -- Ori Idan On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Ariel Biener ar...@post.tau.ac.ilwrote: On 11/14/2010 11:46 AM, Ori Idan wrote: Currently only 4 millions annually but from next year all companies and from 2011 everyone including small businesses. So we have to be ready for this. Call Comsign (the Certificates arm of Comda). They are most helpful with regards to their CA operation. -- Ariel -- Ariel Biener e-mail: ar...@post.tau.ac.il PGP: http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html -- *חץ בן חמו חץ-ביז (הוסטינג) *השכרה ואירוח של שרתים פיזיים השכרת שרתים וירטואליים מקצועיים וגדולים במחירים *קטנים* בקרו באתרנו בכתובת hetz.biz http://www.hetz.biz/ ובבלוג שלנו: blog.hetz.biz טלפוןן: 078113/4/5, אימייל: sa...@hetz.biz מסנג'ר: sa...@hetz.biz - סקייפ: heunique -- *חץ בן חמו חץ-ביז (הוסטינג) *השכרה ואירוח של שרתים פיזיים השכרת שרתים וירטואליים מקצועיים וגדולים במחירים *קטנים* בקרו באתרנו בכתובת hetz.biz http://www.hetz.biz/ ובבלוג שלנו: blog.hetz.biz טלפוןן: 078113/4/5, אימייל: sa...@hetz.biz מסנג'ר: sa...@hetz.biz - סקייפ: heunique -- *חץ בן חמו חץ-ביז (הוסטינג) *השכרה ואירוח של שרתים פיזיים השכרת שרתים וירטואליים מקצועיים וגדולים במחירים *קטנים* בקרו באתרנו בכתובת hetz.biz http://www.hetz.biz/ ובבלוג שלנו: blog.hetz.biz טלפוןן: 078113/4/5, אימייל: sa...@hetz.biz מסנג'ר: sa...@hetz.biz - סקייפ: heunique ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Using ComSign smart card
How is the market share of Apple in Israel these days? Their distrobutors should be interested in this issue as well. On 15/11/2010 7:14 AM, Ori Idan o...@helicontech.co.il wrote: No, I do not think the people from Tehila will help me. I did this only to let them know that people use other operating systems. I hope that other people will do that too. I did search the net and found that they use card readers by some know manufacturers see for example: http://www.scmmicro.com/security/view_product_en.php?PID=4 -- Ori Idan On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com wrote: Ori, You really... ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Using ComSign smart card
Ok, finished! (at least in terms of hardware research) The Tehila project suggest 5 card readers which are supported by them (well, someone will support, maybe, Tehila doesn't know how to support people), you can see the list here: http://www.gov.il/FirstGov/smartCard/business/businessStart/ http://www.gov.il/FirstGov/smartCard/business/businessStart/I won't look at the serial and PCMCIA solutions cause everyone got USB these days, so we're left with 3 cards: 1. Athena ASE llle USB - this card is fully supported under Linux. You can download it's driver (fully open source), run configure, make, make install and thats it. I think it's already included on some recent distribution, but even if it's not, it takes 1 minute to compile install. 2. SCM SCR3310 - This card uses a *binary only* library (scmccid) which it has some hard-coded library path inside it (some developers should be shot!). Avoid this card if you prefer not to mess with binary only stuff. Please note: it's not binary only kernel driver, only user level shared library. 3. GemPlus GemPC Twin - This one is the nicest. You don't need any special drivers. If you're distribution is pretty modern, it should have the driver for it inside the kernel and it would be auto recognize it when you connect it to your machine. Amos - I assume that OS X has PC/SC support inside, so you should have out of the box support on your Mac on 1 and 3. Funny thing: Number 2 driver got this on it's Info.plist file: !DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC -//Apple Computer//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd; Thats - for the kernel stuff. User level stuff - that I need to research a bit... Thanks, Hetz 2010/11/14 Amos Shapira amos.shap...@gmail.com How is the market share of Apple in Israel these days? Their distrobutors should be interested in this issue as well. On 15/11/2010 7:14 AM, Ori Idan o...@helicontech.co.il wrote: No, I do not think the people from Tehila will help me. I did this only to let them know that people use other operating systems. I hope that other people will do that too. I did search the net and found that they use card readers by some know manufacturers see for example: http://www.scmmicro.com/security/view_product_en.php?PID=4 -- Ori Idan On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com wrote: Ori, You really... ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- *חץ בן חמו חץ-ביז (הוסטינג) *השכרה ואירוח של שרתים פיזיים השכרת שרתים וירטואליים מקצועיים וגדולים במחירים *קטנים* בקרו באתרנו בכתובת hetz.biz http://www.hetz.biz/ ובבלוג שלנו: blog.hetz.biz טלפוןן: 078113/4/5, אימייל: sa...@hetz.biz מסנג'ר: sa...@hetz.biz - סקייפ: heunique ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Using ComSign smart card
From looking at Tehila web site it seems they do support Mac OS/X but do not support linux (yet, they say). However from looking into some of the card readers they offer, it seems that most card readers have Linux drivers. For example: http://www.athena-scs.com/product.asp?pid=1 http://www.athena-scs.com/product.asp?pid=1More drivers can be found at: http://www.linuxnet.com/sourcedrivers.html http://www.linuxnet.com/sourcedrivers.htmlSo it seems there is no problem using the card readers under Linux. I hope there aren't any other problems such as Explorer only websites etc. We have about a year to solve these problems as all of us who report VAT will need to report their VAT report using these methods from 1-1-2012 -- Ori Idan On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Amos Shapira amos.shap...@gmail.comwrote: How is the market share of Apple in Israel these days? Their distrobutors should be interested in this issue as well. On 15/11/2010 7:14 AM, Ori Idan o...@helicontech.co.il wrote: No, I do not think the people from Tehila will help me. I did this only to let them know that people use other operating systems. I hope that other people will do that too. I did search the net and found that they use card readers by some know manufacturers see for example: http://www.scmmicro.com/security/view_product_en.php?PID=4 -- Ori Idan On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com wrote: Ori, You really... ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Using ComSign smart card
Thank you Hetz. From what you wrote and what I looked it really seems we should not have any problems with the hardware. Tehila says something regarding using Firefox in this document: http://www.gov.il/NR/rdonlyres/864BC531-DA34-4007-8EA9-39FAEA9607CE/0/Firefox.doc From reading this document it seems we can use it under Linux although they say Linux not yet supported. Can someone read it and maybe point out some other problems I have overlooked? -- Ori Idan On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, finished! (at least in terms of hardware research) The Tehila project suggest 5 card readers which are supported by them (well, someone will support, maybe, Tehila doesn't know how to support people), you can see the list here: http://www.gov.il/FirstGov/smartCard/business/businessStart/ http://www.gov.il/FirstGov/smartCard/business/businessStart/I won't look at the serial and PCMCIA solutions cause everyone got USB these days, so we're left with 3 cards: 1. Athena ASE llle USB - this card is fully supported under Linux. You can download it's driver (fully open source), run configure, make, make install and thats it. I think it's already included on some recent distribution, but even if it's not, it takes 1 minute to compile install. 2. SCM SCR3310 - This card uses a *binary only* library (scmccid) which it has some hard-coded library path inside it (some developers should be shot!). Avoid this card if you prefer not to mess with binary only stuff. Please note: it's not binary only kernel driver, only user level shared library. 3. GemPlus GemPC Twin - This one is the nicest. You don't need any special drivers. If you're distribution is pretty modern, it should have the driver for it inside the kernel and it would be auto recognize it when you connect it to your machine. Amos - I assume that OS X has PC/SC support inside, so you should have out of the box support on your Mac on 1 and 3. Funny thing: Number 2 driver got this on it's Info.plist file: !DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC -//Apple Computer//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd; Thats - for the kernel stuff. User level stuff - that I need to research a bit... Thanks, Hetz 2010/11/14 Amos Shapira amos.shap...@gmail.com How is the market share of Apple in Israel these days? Their distrobutors should be interested in this issue as well. On 15/11/2010 7:14 AM, Ori Idan o...@helicontech.co.il wrote: No, I do not think the people from Tehila will help me. I did this only to let them know that people use other operating systems. I hope that other people will do that too. I did search the net and found that they use card readers by some know manufacturers see for example: http://www.scmmicro.com/security/view_product_en.php?PID=4 -- Ori Idan On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com wrote: Ori, You really... ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- *חץ בן חמו חץ-ביז (הוסטינג) *השכרה ואירוח של שרתים פיזיים השכרת שרתים וירטואליים מקצועיים וגדולים במחירים *קטנים* בקרו באתרנו בכתובת hetz.biz http://www.hetz.biz/ ובבלוג שלנו: blog.hetz.biz טלפוןן: 078113/4/5, אימייל: sa...@hetz.biz מסנג'ר: sa...@hetz.biz - סקייפ: heunique ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Using ComSign smart card
2010/11/14 Ori Idan o...@helicontech.co.il: No, I do not think the people from Tehila will help me. I did this only to let them know that people use other operating systems. I hope that other people will do that too. I did search the net and found that they use card readers by some know manufacturers see for example: http://www.scmmicro.com/security/view_product_en.php?PID=4 I'll call them and ask questions to help them understand that not everyone uses Windows. Even if the drivers are already available, it might help to get a bit of support from the company. But I am certainly out of my field. What should I ask, specifically? What should I read before calling them (to bring my knowledge up to date)? Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Using ComSign smart card
On 15 November 2010 07:56, Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com wrote: Amos - I assume that OS X has PC/SC support inside, so you should have out of the box support on your Mac on 1 and 3. Funny thing: Number 2 driver got this on it's Info.plist file: !DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC -//Apple Computer//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd; Thats - for the kernel stuff. User level stuff - that I need to research a bit... Thanks. I don't use Apple hardware and I'm not in Israel, so both are not relevant for me. I just suggested to look at enlisting a commercial supplier of none-Windows products to the cause. If they have more than a double-digit IQ then they should have interest in the state not leaving the users of their products out in the cold (and thus adding a point against buying Apple hardware). (For many years the Apple rep in Israel was a moron with single-digit IQ, but I heard that a while ago they were replaced so maybe the new rep understands such matters better). --Amos ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
