Hi all! On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 7:50 AM, Shachar Shemesh <shac...@shemesh.biz> wrote:
> As far as I can tell, programmers who want to program large projects that > are latency sensitive have only choices for programming language: > > C++ (the default) > D (if you're really careful) > Rust > > (No, I do not consider C a suitable language for large scale projects, > latency sensitive or otherwise). > And I have quite a few doubts about C++ for that - http://shlomifishswiki.branchable.com/Links_against_C++/ . > (I would have put ObjectiveC on this list had anyone been willing to > program it for anything other than iOS apps). > > > Apple has created https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_(programming_language) recently. > To me, taking a project and translating it to a language I want to learn > makes perfect sense, as that's the only way to really learn a new language. > As such, even in retrospect, I find nothing outrageous about Shlomi's > announcement. > have you read the lists of advantages and disadvantages? ;-) . > On 02/04/2018 02:07, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Sun, 1 Apr 2018 20:14:58 +0300 > Shlomi Fish <shlo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Shlomi, There's a boatload of new computer languages on the scene > today. Which languages did you consider before picking Rust? > > I only considered Rust because it does not have any conceivable > competition for my needs. Regards, -- Shlomi P.S: note the date. > > LOL, OK Shlomi, you got me. > > I was especially susceptible to this particular 4/1'ism because making > a smartened backtracking algorithm in an arcane language is something > *I* would do :-). > > I don't think calling Rust "arcane" does it justice. Firefox is hardly a > niche program, and the FF developers credit much of the performance leap it > has done recently to the rewrite to Rust. > > Of the list above, Rust is the only one I do not know. My introduction to > Rust was through working with D over the past four years. That has been a > mixed bag, with some really great stuff and other stuff that was downright > horrible. In complaining about it, I actually started fantasizing about > starting my own programming language, to be called Practical ("I program a > Practical programming language". http://practical.pl was already taken, > unfortunately). > > But then I found out that whenever I said "In Practical, so and so", the > answer would be "That's the way it is in Rust". > > Now, I don't have any project that is a good fit for porting to Rust. > Rsyncrypto has been out of active maintenance for too long, and fakeroot-ng > does too many dodgy things to make Rust practical (pun intended). With that > in mind, I think calling it "arcane" is simply incorrect. > > Rust is attempting to make compile-time guarantees about memory safety. > That is an interesting concept, but I cannot make informed jugment about > how it works in practice without actually writing something substantial in > the language. There are too many things you do not see until you actually > break your teeth on a language. > > Granted, freecell solver is *not* a latency sensitive program, and the > advantages of porting it to Rust over, say, Go or Java, are less distinct. > Then again, rsyncrypto is not a latency sensitive program either > (fakeroot-ng is, BTW), and I'd do it just to gain another tool in my tool > belt. > > So even with the hindsight, I still don't find Shlomi's announcement far > fetched. > > Shachar > > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > -- Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ You can never truly appreciate The Gilmore Girls until you've watched it in the original Klingon. Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply .
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