Re: mounting a fs in two places at once?

2001-06-24 Thread Richard Gooch
Alexander Viro writes: > > > On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Marty Leisner wrote: > > > I just installed redhat 7.1 on a system. > > > > Cleaning up, a made a fs for home...(mounted on /mnt > > to write the stuff to it) > > > > Then I accidently mounted it on /home. > > > > So it was mounted on /home

Re: [patch] rio500 devfs support

2001-06-24 Thread Richard Gooch
Gregory T. Norris writes: > > --qlTNgmc+xy1dBmNv > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0F1p//8PRICkK4MW" > Content-Disposition: inline Yuk! MIME! > --0F1p//8PRICkK4MW > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Re: [PATCH] catch potential null derefs in drivers/char/ip2main.c (245ac16)

2001-06-24 Thread Rasmus Andersen
On Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 07:14:00PM -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote: > On Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 11:06:06PM +0200, Rasmus Andersen wrote: > > Hi. > > > (My last mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] bounced. Is there another > > maintainer for drivers/char/ip2main.c somewhere?) > > I'm still here. :-)

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Sunday 24 June 2001 22:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Sorry, but I'm hanging on to my old computer manuals. The AIX manuals in > particular have sentimemtal value for me. Entirely undersandable. Would you be willing to xerox any "introduction" or "about" sections? > OTOH, I have quite a

RE: Crash on boot (2.4.5)

2001-06-24 Thread Andy Ward
H... haven't tried changing to non-AMD for the chip type... I'll try pentium later tonight and see if it works better. Thanks for the insight -- andyw -Original Message- From: Steven Walter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 3:42 PM To: Andy Ward Cc:

RE: Crash on boot (2.4.5)

2001-06-24 Thread Andy Ward
Unfortunatly, the memory is just fine. Both 2.2 *and* two versions of windows run just fine on the same machine, so it's probably not that. -- andyw -Original Message- From: David Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 2:14 PM To: Andy Ward Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Is SIOCGIFCOUNT implemented under 2.4.0

2001-06-24 Thread Nagendra Singh Tomar
Hi All ! Just wanted to know whether SIOCGIFCOUNT ioctl is implemented in linux kernel >= 2.4.0. It gives me EINVAL, I browsed thru the code and concluded that this ioctl is not implemented. Am I correct ??? regards tom - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe

Where is check for superuser in TCP port bind.

2001-06-24 Thread Ian Stirling
Obviously (to me) this check is in tcp_v4_get_port(). But, I can't find it, or perhaps it's better hidden than I thought. Or maybe I'm just very confused. Any help would be most welcome. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL

RE: sizeof problem in kernel modules

2001-06-24 Thread Anil Kumar
struct { short x; long y; short z; }bad_struct; struct { long y; short x; short z; }good_struct; I would expect both structs to be 8byte in size , or atleast the same size ! but good_struct turns out to be 8bytes and bad_struct 12 . what am I doing wrong here ? thx ! hofrat

Re: cd writer problems with 2.4.5ac17

2001-06-24 Thread Pavel Roskin
Hello! I wrote a CD today under 2.4.5-ac17 on MITSUMI CR-4804TE using SCSI emulation and cdrecord 1.9. No problems at all. Another computer is running 2.4.5-ac17 with Promise controller, but I only have hard drives connected to it. No problems except when ACPI was enabled. I understand that

Re: What are the VM motivations??

2001-06-24 Thread Daniel Phillips
On Monday 25 June 2001 05:44, Colonel wrote: > In clouddancer.list.kernel, you wrote: > >On Monday 25 June 2001 03:46, Russell Leighton wrote: > >> I read this thread as asking the question: > >> > >> If VM management is viewed as an optimization problem, > >> then what exactly is the

Re: Some experience of linux on a Laptop

2001-06-24 Thread Eric W. Biederman
David Lang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, John Nilsson wrote: > > 8: A way to change kernel without rebooting. I have no diskdrive or cddrive > > in my laptop so I often do drastic things when I install a new distribution. > > this is suggested every few months, the normal

Re: Some experience of linux on a Laptop

2001-06-24 Thread Eric W. Biederman
Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > 8: A way to change kernel without rebooting. I have no diskdrive or cddrive > > in my laptop so I often do drastic things when I install a new distribution. > > Thats actually an incredibly hard problem to solve. The only people who do > this level of

Re: The Joy of Forking

2001-06-24 Thread Jesse Pollard
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Rick Hohensee wrote: >2.4.5 is 26 meg now. It's time to consider forking the kernel. Alan has >already stuck his tippy-toe is that pool, and his toe is fine. > >The "thou shalt not fork" commandment made sense at one point, when free >unix was a lost tribe wandering hungry in

Re: What are the VM motivations??

2001-06-24 Thread Colonel
In clouddancer.list.kernel, you wrote: > >On Monday 25 June 2001 03:46, Russell Leighton wrote: >> I read this thread as asking the question: >> >> If VM management is viewed as an optimization problem, >> then what exactly is the function that you are optimizing and what are >> the

Re: What are the VM motivations??

2001-06-24 Thread Colonel
In clouddancer.list.kernel, you wrote: > >On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Colonel wrote: > >> It's simple. I want the old reliable behavior back, the one I found >> in kernels from 1.1.41 thru 2.2.14. > >And which one would that be ? Note that there have been >4 different VM subsystems in that time and

[OT] Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Michal Jaegermann
On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 12:20:40AM +0200, Daniel Phillips wrote: > On Sunday 24 June 2001 12:36, Rob Landley wrote: > > On Saturday 23 June 2001 22:47, Eric W. Biederman wrote: > > > GEM was a gui from Digital Research I believe. > > > Geoworks/Geos was a seperate entity. > > > > Ah, the DR-DOS

Re: GPIB support

2001-06-24 Thread hugang
On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:34:37 +0800 (HKT) Wan Hing Wah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm doing a project which port a component testing program in DOS which > use GPIB to linux > Does the Linux kernel support GPIB? > > > I find a linux gpib driver in the linux lab project >

Re: RPC vs Socket

2001-06-24 Thread hugang
On 23 Jun 2001 17:49:39 +0200 Trond Myklebust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > " " == Jan Hudec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Both seem to have pros and cons. RPC should be easier to write > > (especialy the server side), but it performs bad with UDP on > > slow

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Eric W. Biederman
Rob Landley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Saturday 23 June 2001 22:47, Eric W. Biederman wrote: > > Rob Landley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Ummm... GEM was the Geos stuff? (Yeah I remember it, I haven't > > > researched it yet though...) > > > > GEM was a gui from Digital Research I

Re: Annoying kernel behaviour

2001-06-24 Thread Colonel
In clouddancer.list.kernel, you wrote: > >Colonel wrote: >> Ah, notice that the IRQ shifted? Perhaps there is something else on >> irq 10, such as the SCSI controller? My video cards always end up on >> that IRQ, perhaps the computer is still accessible via the network? > >I would expect the

Re: mounting a fs in two places at once?

2001-06-24 Thread Jeff Chua
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Marty Leisner wrote: > Is this a feature or a bug? > > This is with 2.4.2... > feature. Jeff - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at

AMD thunderbird oops

2001-06-24 Thread joeja
I just upgradede my system to an 1200Mhz AMD Athlon Thundirbird (266Mhz FSB) processor / 512Meg of RAM, and an Asus kt7a motherboard. It is oppsing left and right. I recompiled the kernel with Athelon as the CPU but keep getting these oopses.. I also get these same problems while trying

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Wayne . Brown
Sorry, but I'm hanging on to my old computer manuals. The AIX manuals in particular have sentimemtal value for me. OTOH, I have quite a few old computer magazines (from the 80's) like Byte, Infoworld, etc. I've been intending to get rid of them for some time now, but hated just to throw them

Re: How does ramfs actually fills the page cache with data?

2001-06-24 Thread Ho Chak Hung
thanks a lot for your reply But is it at all possible to put data into page cache without going through the inodes or files? I mean, for example, if you are given a string "abcde", and you want to allocate a page to store this "abcde" into that page and add that page to the page cache, what

Re: Microsoft and Xenix - Now there's a mailing list for this discussion.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Sunday 24 June 2001 18:41, Chris Meadors wrote: > Okay, I brushed on GEOS, Microsoft, Xenix, and even Linux. So I'm as on > topic as the rest of this thread. I just have never told my story on l-k, > and this seemed a good place to put a little of it in. :) > > -Chris I just created a

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Sunday 24 June 2001 21:45, Jeff Dike wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > Licklidder wasn't just a bigwig behind arpanet, he also kicked off > > project mac at MIT. > > You're right, but you could at least spell his name right - J. C. R. > Licklider. > > Jeff (who was his last

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Sunday 24 June 2001 19:50, Larry McVoy wrote: > On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 12:30:02AM +0200, J . A . Magallon wrote: > > They use fork(). > > They port their app to solaris. > > The performance sucks. > > It is not Solaris fault. > > It is linux fast fork() ... > > One for the quotes page, eh?

Re: What are the VM motivations??

2001-06-24 Thread Daniel Phillips
On Monday 25 June 2001 03:46, Russell Leighton wrote: > I read this thread as asking the question: > > If VM management is viewed as an optimization problem, > then what exactly is the function that you are optimizing and what are > the constraints? > > If you could express that well with

Re: mounting a fs in two places at once?

2001-06-24 Thread Alexander Viro
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Marty Leisner wrote: > I just installed redhat 7.1 on a system. > > Cleaning up, a made a fs for home...(mounted on /mnt > to write the stuff to it) > > Then I accidently mounted it on /home. > > So it was mounted on /home and /mnt at the same time. > (I didn't bother

linux-2.2.19 bugs: scsi hosts:0 and bsd_comp not found

2001-06-24 Thread Stewart Andreason
Originator: Stewart Andreason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Synopsis: upgrade from 2.2.16 to 2.2.19 results in 2 failures: Unable to find Adaptec or SCSI CDrom drive Unable to load PPP compression module __clip from successful 2.2.16 boot detected 1 controller(s) aha152x0: vital data:

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-24 Thread Galen Hancock
On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 12:30:02AM +0200, J . A . Magallon wrote: > shell scripting, for example. Or multithreaded web servers. With the above > test (fork() + immediate exec()), you just try to mesaure the speed of fork(). The benchmark that used lmbench that was posted tested fork follwed fork

mounting a fs in two places at once?

2001-06-24 Thread Marty Leisner
I just installed redhat 7.1 on a system. Cleaning up, a made a fs for home...(mounted on /mnt to write the stuff to it) Then I accidently mounted it on /home. So it was mounted on /home and /mnt at the same time. (I didn't bother going in to see what was there). Shouldn't this NOT happen?

Re: What are the VM motivations??

2001-06-24 Thread Russell Leighton
I read this thread as asking the question: If VM management is viewed as an optimization problem, then what exactly is the function that you are optimizing and what are the constraints? If you could express that well with a even a very loose model, then the code could be reviewed to

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Sunday 24 June 2001 18:30, J . A . Magallon wrote: > Take a programmer comming from other system to linux. If he wants multi- > threading and protable code, he will choose pthreads. And you say to him: > do it with 'clone', it is better. Answer: non protable. Again: do it > with fork(), it is

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread William T Wilson
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Rob Landley wrote: > I know the geos had nothing to do with digital, it started as a > windowing GUI for the commodore 64, if you can believe that... I've actually got a copy, but it's for the Apple // :} - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe

broken 2.2 IDE CD-RW (was Re: plain 2.2.X: no ide CD-RW?)

2001-06-24 Thread Anil B. Somayaji
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Guest section DW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 01:42:38AM -0600, Anil B. Somayaji wrote: > > > For a while now, I've been running a 2.4 kernel, but (for my research) > > I need to now run a 2.2 kernel. I was hoping to just

Re: replay on read-only filesystem

2001-06-24 Thread Jeff Chua
On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Anthony Heading wrote: > Did you get a satisfactory answer? I'd be interested to know... Here's what I got from Alan. I've "crashed" my system quite a quite time by yanking out the power plug, and so far, the system is still ok. Much better than ext2 as there's no fsck.

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-24 Thread Gerhard Mack
> BTW, after all I have read all POSIX threads library should be no more than > a wrapper over fork(), clone and so on. Why are they so bad then ? > I am going to get glibc source to see what is inside pthread_create... If I recall it had to do with problems in signal delivery... -- Gerhard

Re: sizeof problem in kernel modules

2001-06-24 Thread Michael Meissner
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 10:43:14PM -0400, Richard B. Johnson wrote: > Previous to the "Draft" "Proposal" of C98, there were no such > requirements. And so-called ANSI -C specifically declined to > define any order within structures. As one of the founding members of the X3J11 ANSI committee, and

Re: Some experience of linux on a Laptop

2001-06-24 Thread Dieter Nützel
Alan wrote: > > > 4: make bzImage && make modules && make modules install && cp > > arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/'uname -r' something inside make menuconfig > > So really you want an outside GUI tool that lets you reconfigure build and > install kernels. Yeah I'd agree with that. Someone just

Re: Is it useful to support user level drivers

2001-06-24 Thread Anders Larsen
"Richard B. Johnson" wrote: > > On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Anders Larsen wrote: > > > "Richard B. Johnson" wrote: > > > > > > QNX does not have any difference between user-space and kernel space. > > > It's not paged-virtual. It's just one big sheet of address space > > > with no memory protection

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-24 Thread J . A . Magallon
On 20010625 Larry McVoy wrote: > >One for the quotes page, eh? We're terribly sorry, we'll get busy on adding >some delay loops in Linux so it too can be slow. >-- I was afraid someone would tell that... I just want to say that the 'problem' is not that threads are slow in linux, but that

Re: FAT32 superiority over ext2 :-)

2001-06-24 Thread Daniel Phillips
On Monday 25 June 2001 01:49, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: > Daniel Phillips writes: > > On Monday 25 June 2001 00:54, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: > >> By dumb luck (?), FAT32 is compatible with the phase-tree algorithm > >> as seen in Tux2. This means it offers full data integrity. > >> Yep, it whips

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-24 Thread Larry McVoy
On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 12:30:02AM +0200, J . A . Magallon wrote: > They use fork(). > They port their app to solaris. > The performance sucks. > It is not Solaris fault. > It is linux fast fork() ... One for the quotes page, eh? We're terribly sorry, we'll get busy on adding some delay loops

Re: FAT32 superiority over ext2 :-)

2001-06-24 Thread Albert D. Cahalan
Daniel Phillips writes: > On Monday 25 June 2001 00:54, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: >> By dumb luck (?), FAT32 is compatible with the phase-tree algorithm >> as seen in Tux2. This means it offers full data integrity. >> Yep, it whips your typical journalling filesystem. Look at what >> we have in

Re: GCC3.0 Produce REALLY slower code!

2001-06-24 Thread Luigi Genoni
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Rik van Riel wrote: > On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Alexander V. Bilichenko wrote: > > > Some tests that I have recently check out. kernel compiled with > > 3.0 (2.4.5) function call: 100 iteration. 3% slower than > > 2.95. test example - hash table add/remove - 4% slower

Re: Threads are processes that share more

2001-06-24 Thread Larry McVoy
On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 01:10:31AM +0200, J . A . Magallon wrote: > > On 20010621 Stephen Satchell wrote: > > > >By the way, I'm surprised no one has mentioned that a synonym for "thread" > >is "lightweight process". > > > > In linux. Perhaps this the fault. > In IRIX, you have sprocs and

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-24 Thread Steven Walter
On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 12:30:02AM +0200, J . A . Magallon wrote: > Take a programmer comming from other system to linux. If he wants multi- > threading and protable code, he will choose pthreads. And you say to him: > do it with 'clone', it is better. Answer: non protable. Again: do it > with

Re: GCC3.0 Produce REALLY slower code!

2001-06-24 Thread Daniel Phillips
On Monday 25 June 2001 00:44, Alexander V. Bilichenko wrote: > Hello All! > Some tests that I have recently check out. > kernel compiled with 3.0 (2.4.5) function call: 100 iteration. 3% > slower than 2.95. > test example - hash table add/remove - 4% slower (compiled both > with -O2

Re: FAT32 superiority over ext2 :-)

2001-06-24 Thread Daniel Phillips
On Monday 25 June 2001 00:54, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: > By dumb luck (?), FAT32 is compatible with the phase-tree algorithm > as seen in Tux2. This means it offers full data integrity. > Yep, it whips your typical journalling filesystem. Look at what > we have in the superblock (boot sector): >

Re: Some experience of linux on a Laptop

2001-06-24 Thread Luigi Genoni
John Nilson wrote: > 2: Compile time optimization options in Make menuconfig I do not understand the point. > 3: Lilo/grub config in make menuconfig Unusefull and dangerous. > 4: make bzImage && make modules && make modules install && cp > arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/'uname -r'

Re: [PATCH] catch potential null derefs in drivers/char/ip2main.c (245ac16)

2001-06-24 Thread Michael H. Warfield
On Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 11:06:06PM +0200, Rasmus Andersen wrote: > Hi. > (My last mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] bounced. Is there another > maintainer for drivers/char/ip2main.c somewhere?) I'm still here. :-) Just look one more line down below Doug's line. There I am. I'm

Re: [OT] gcc 2.95.2 vs. 3.0 (fwd)

2001-06-24 Thread Sasi Peter
On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, J . A . Magallon wrote: > Sure it is opendivx ? I think you are just using gcc compiled code for > the 'interface' and 'glue' to windows divx decoders (/usr/lib/win32/*.dll) > that do the real hard work. Have a look at mplayer.sourceforge.net. MPlayer besides DLL loading

FAT32 superiority over ext2 :-)

2001-06-24 Thread Albert D. Cahalan
By dumb luck (?), FAT32 is compatible with the phase-tree algorithm as seen in Tux2. This means it offers full data integrity. Yep, it whips your typical journalling filesystem. Look at what we have in the superblock (boot sector): __u32 fat32_length; /* sectors/FAT */ __u16 flags;

Re: GCC3.0 Produce REALLY slower code!

2001-06-24 Thread Rik van Riel
On Mon, 25 Jun 2001, Alexander V. Bilichenko wrote: > Some tests that I have recently check out. kernel compiled with > 3.0 (2.4.5) function call: 100 iteration. 3% slower than > 2.95. test example - hash table add/remove - 4% slower (compiled > both with -O2 -march=i686). > Why have this

GCC3.0 Produce REALLY slower code!

2001-06-24 Thread Alexander V. Bilichenko
Hello All! Some tests that I have recently check out. kernel compiled with 3.0 (2.4.5) function call: 100 iteration. 3% slower than 2.95. test example - hash table add/remove - 4% slower (compiled both with -O2 -march=i686). Why have this version been released? Best regards, Alexander

Re: [OT] gcc 2.95.2 vs. 3.0 (fwd)

2001-06-24 Thread J . A . Magallon
On 20010624 Sasi Peter wrote: > >I know opendivx code is not like kernel code at all, but on the other hand >it is well suited for benchmark testing. > > >test file: (opendivx with postprocessing, this stuff is written in C) ># mplayer -osdlevel 0 -nosound -benchmark 180

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Chris Meadors
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Rob Landley wrote: > I know the geos had nothing to do with digital, it started as a windowing GUI > for the commodore 64, if you can believe that... Not only can I belive it, but I was going to bring it up the first time GEOS was mentioned. Having only used Macs (in

Re: Some experience of linux on a Laptop

2001-06-24 Thread Hua Zhong
> So really you want an outside GUI tool that lets you reconfigure build and > install kernels. Yeah I'd agree with that. Someone just needs to write the > killer gnome/kde config tool. I've got C code for parsing/loading config.in > files and deducing the dependancy constraints if anyone ever

Re: [patch] rio500 devfs support

2001-06-24 Thread Gregory T. Norris
Here's an updated version of the patch - the only real difference is that rio500.c will printk an error message if devfs_register() fails. I left that out originally because devfs logs the error, but it's probably a good idea to indicate which driver made the request. Cheers! On Tue, Jun 19,

Re: GCC3.0 support: Kernel 2.4.5 compilation troubles

2001-06-24 Thread J . A . Magallon
On 20010624 Alan Cox wrote: > >2. Look back in the kernel archives and you'll find some patches for > the warnings about multi-line string literals in asm blocks > Are there any plans to standarise asm inline code, for example in Documentation/CodingStyle (of cou

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-24 Thread J . A . Magallon
On 20010624 Rob Landley wrote: > >This is a bit like like saying that a truck and a train are totally different >beasts. If I'm trying to haul cargo from point A to point B, which is served >by both, all I care about is how long it takes and how much it costs. > >

Re: Some experience of linux on a Laptop

2001-06-24 Thread Jeff Chua
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, John Nilsson wrote: > I have a Toshiba Portégé 3010CT laptop. That is: > 266MHz Pentium-MMX > 4GB HD with 512kb cache (which linux reduces to 0kb) > 32 Mb EDO RAM tons of info out there. http://www.tce.co.jp/linux/ http://www.buzzard.org.uk/toshiba/

Re: Some experience of linux on a Laptop

2001-06-24 Thread Daniel Phillips
On Monday 25 June 2001 00:12, Alan Cox wrote: > > > So when you speak of being able to run on 386:es I still have problem > > > starting X on 266MHz with 32Mb mem. This should not be =) > > > > That's true. Usually, X by itself starts pretty fast. Just try 'xinit', > > no parameters. KDE and

[OT] Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Daniel Phillips
On Sunday 24 June 2001 12:36, Rob Landley wrote: > On Saturday 23 June 2001 22:47, Eric W. Biederman wrote: > > GEM was a gui from Digital Research I believe. > > Geoworks/Geos was a seperate entity. > > Ah, the DR-DOS answer to dosshell/windows. Cool. (I used Dr. Dos byt > never tried its

Re: Some experience of linux on a Laptop

2001-06-24 Thread Alan Cox
> then to either a test linux or stable linux environment from the C drive. > I setup a Menu in config.sys under dos to select which linux to boot up. > If the test kernel doesn't work, I reboot the system to switch to the > stable one. At least better than carrying a floppy around. That is

Re: Some experience of linux on a Laptop

2001-06-24 Thread William Stearns
Good day, John, Alan, On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Alan Cox wrote: > > 4: make bzImage && make modules && make modules install && cp > > arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/'uname -r' something inside make menuconfig > > So really you want an outside GUI tool that lets you reconfigure build and > install

[PATCH] fix accounting of memory_pressure

2001-06-24 Thread Rik van Riel
Hi, the attached patch makes sure to only increase memory_pressure in cases we actually found a page, this prevents the inactive target from rising to infinite in case we don't have any inactive_clean pages in the system... (observed in testing) regards, Rik -- Executive summary of a recent

Re: Some experience of linux on a Laptop

2001-06-24 Thread Alan Cox
> > So when you speak of being able to run on 386:es I still have problem > > starting X on 266MHz with 32Mb mem. This should not be =) > > That's true. Usually, X by itself starts pretty fast. Just try 'xinit', no > parameters. KDE and Gnome both need to go on a diet, especially KDE. They

Re: Some experience of linux on a Laptop

2001-06-24 Thread Jeff Chua
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Alan Cox wrote: > > 8: A way to change kernel without rebooting. I have no diskdrive or cddrive > > in my laptop so I often do drastic things when I install a new distribution. > > Thats actually an incredibly hard problem to solve. The only people who do > this level of

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Saturday 23 June 2001 22:47, Eric W. Biederman wrote: > Rob Landley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Ummm... GEM was the Geos stuff? (Yeah I remember it, I haven't > > researched it yet though...) > > GEM was a gui from Digital Research I believe. > Geoworks/Geos was a seperate entity. Ah,

Re: Some experience of linux on a Laptop

2001-06-24 Thread Rik van Riel
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, John Nilsson wrote: > Well I thought that it was time for me to give some feedback to > the linux community. So I will tell you guys a little of my > experience with linux so far. Two words: "send patches" Please put your money where your mouth is. I mean, it's ok if you

Re: The Joy of Forking

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Sunday 24 June 2001 09:46, Luigi Genoni wrote: > > > no SMP > > > x86 only (and similar, e.g. Crusoe) > > Is this a joke? > I hope it is. > > Luigi Nah, I think it's an intentional troll. Either that or somebody who's So naieve they honestly think that having different "text mode" and

NFS server difficulties

2001-06-24 Thread Ray Shaw
I thought I saw a post regarding a similar problem to mine, and mentioning a patch, but I can't find the post anymore (and I never found the patch), so: I'm currently running 2.4.5-ac9. Earlier 2.4.x kernels worked OK with NFS, but blew up on my Athlon machine. This kernel does _not_ work OK

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Saturday 23 June 2001 22:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Ah, yes, the RT/PC. That brings back some fond memories. My first > exposure to Unix was with AIX on the RT. I still have some of those > weird-sized RT AIX manuals around somewhere... > > Wayne Ooh! Old manuals! Would you be

Re: Threads are processes that share more

2001-06-24 Thread J . A . Magallon
On 20010621 Stephen Satchell wrote: > >By the way, I'm surprised no one has mentioned that a synonym for "thread" >is "lightweight process". > In linux. Perhaps this the fault. In IRIX, you have sprocs and threads. sprocs have independent pids and you can control what you share (mappings, fd

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Saturday 23 June 2001 23:07, Mike Castle wrote: > On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 09:41:29PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Ah, yes, the RT/PC. That brings back some fond memories. My first > > exposure to Unix was with AIX on the RT. I still have some of those > > weird-sized RT AIX manuals

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Saturday 23 June 2001 20:49, John Adams wrote: > On Saturday 23 June 2001 10:07, Rob Landley wrote: > > Here's what I'm looking for: > > > > AIX was first introduced for the IBM RT/PC in 1986, which came out of the > > early RISC research. It was ported to PS/2 and S/370 by SAA, and was > >

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Sunday 24 June 2001 17:41, J . A . Magallon wrote: > On 20010622 Rob Landley wrote: > >I still consider the difference between threads and processes with shared > >resources (memory, fds, etc) to be largely semantic. > > They should not be the same. Processes are processes, and threads were >

Re: Microsoft and Xenix.

2001-06-24 Thread Rob Landley
On Saturday 23 June 2001 20:13, Michael Alan Dorman wrote: > Rob Landley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > That would be the X version of emacs. And there's the explanation > > for the split between GNU and X emacs: it got forked and the > > closed-source version had a vew years of divergent

Re: Some experience of linux on a Laptop

2001-06-24 Thread Daniel Phillips
On Sunday 24 June 2001 22:51, John Nilsson wrote: > So a little plea is that you let the optimization phase cooldown a > little and concern your self a little more with compatibility, and ease of > installation, (tidy up the kernel build system). /me has no intention of cooling down the

Re: Some experience of linux on a Laptop

2001-06-24 Thread Alan Cox
> Features I would like in the kernel: > 1: Make the whole insmod-rmmod tingie a kernel internal so they could be > trigged before rootmount. Already there. In fact Red Hat uses it for the scsi devices. That is what initrd is for. > 2: Compile time optimization options in Make menuconfig

Re: Some experience of linux on a Laptop

2001-06-24 Thread David Lang
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, John Nilsson wrote: > Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 22:51:56 +0200 > From: John Nilsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Some experience of linux on a Laptop > > Well I thought that it was time for me to give some feedback to the linux > community. So I will

[PATCH] add create_proc_entry check to videodev.c (245ac16)

2001-06-24 Thread Rasmus Andersen
Hi. The patch below adds a check for create_proc_entry return code in drivers/media/video/videodev.c. It applies against 245-ac16 and 246p6. --- linux-245-ac16-clean/drivers/media/video/videodev.c Sun May 27 22:15:23 2001 +++ linux-245-ac16/drivers/media/video/videodev.c Sun Jun 24

Re: Thrashing WITHOUT swap.

2001-06-24 Thread Alan Cox
> recompiled it yet). I have a 140 mb swap partition set up but at the time > this happened it was OFF. I was (still am) running X + twm + two xterms > > top gives me: > mem: 62144k av, 61180k used, 956k free, 0k shrd, 76 buff, 2636 cached > swap: 0k av, 0k used, 0k free [as expected] Not as

Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)

2001-06-24 Thread J . A . Magallon
On 20010622 Rob Landley wrote: > >I still consider the difference between threads and processes with shared >resources (memory, fds, etc) to be largely semantic. > They should not be the same. Processes are processes, and threads were designed for situations where processes are too heavy.

[PATCH] kmalloc check for drivers/media/video/i2c-parport.c (245ac16)

2001-06-24 Thread Rasmus Andersen
Hi. The following patch tries to avoid a potential null pointer dereference. It applies against 245-ac16 and 246p6. The dereference was originally reported by the Stanford team. --- linux-245-ac16-clean/drivers/media/video/i2c-parport.c Thu Jul 13 01:24:33 2000 +++

Re: Some experience of linux on a Laptop

2001-06-24 Thread Andrzej Krzysztofowicz
> >Features I would like in the kernel: > >1: Make the whole insmod-rmmod tingie a kernel internal so they could be > >trigged before rootmount. > > How can you load modules into the kernel before root is mounted? > No harddrive accessible means no modules. initrd ? It's quite popular feature

Re: Some experience of linux on a Laptop

2001-06-24 Thread Android
>I have come to the conclusion that linux is NOT suitable for the general >desktop market. I have to disagree on this. It runs fine on most PC's, as they use standard devices. Just say NO to anything proprietary. This includes Toshiba. Makers of such odd machines should supply their own

Re: Some experience of linux on a Laptop

2001-06-24 Thread Fabian Arias
Well, let's see: On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, John Nilsson wrote: > Well I thought that it was time for me to give some feedback to the linux > community. So I will tell you guys a little of my experience with linux so > far. > > I have a Toshiba Portégé 3010CT laptop. That is: > 266MHz Pentium-MMX

Re: [PATCH] add kmalloc check in drviers/pcmcia/rsrc_mgr.c (245-ac16)

2001-06-24 Thread Eric Lammerts
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Rasmus Andersen wrote: > On Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 10:52:31PM +0200, Eric Lammerts wrote: > [...] > > There are zillions of functions called 'init_module' in the kernel. > > I think my suggestion was better (and it had a \n at the end!) > > Agreed. Actually, 'ouch' on point

[PATCH] catch potential null derefs in drivers/char/ip2main.c (245ac16)

2001-06-24 Thread Rasmus Andersen
Hi. (My last mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] bounced. Is there another maintainer for drivers/char/ip2main.c somewhere?) The patch below tries to avoid dereferencing (potential) NULL pointers. It was reported by the Stanford team way back and applies against 245ac16 and 246p6. It could probably be

Re: [PATCH] add kmalloc check in drviers/pcmcia/rsrc_mgr.c (245-ac16)

2001-06-24 Thread Rasmus Andersen
On Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 10:52:31PM +0200, Eric Lammerts wrote: [...] > There are zillions of functions called 'init_module' in the kernel. > I think my suggestion was better (and it had a \n at the end!) Agreed. Actually, 'ouch' on point two :) BTW, was it intentional that you dropped the

Some experience of linux on a Laptop

2001-06-24 Thread John Nilsson
Well I thought that it was time for me to give some feedback to the linux community. So I will tell you guys a little of my experience with linux so far. I have a Toshiba Portégé 3010CT laptop. That is: 266MHz Pentium-MMX 4GB HD with 512kb cache (which linux reduces to 0kb) 32 Mb EDO RAM

Re: [PATCH] add kmalloc check in drviers/pcmcia/rsrc_mgr.c (245-ac16)

2001-06-24 Thread Eric Lammerts
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Rasmus Andersen wrote: > Excellent suggestion. How about this one: > +if (!b) { > + printk(" -- aborting.\n"); > + printk(KERN_ERR __FUNCTION__ ": Out of memory."); > + return; > +} There are zillions of functions called 'init_module' in the

Re: What are the VM motivations??

2001-06-24 Thread Rik van Riel
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Jason McMullan wrote: > On Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 04:29:09PM -0300, Rik van Riel wrote: > > Over the last year there has been quite a bit of discussion > > with Stephen Tweedie, Matt Dillon and more people. Parts of > > it can be found on http://linux-mm.org/ > > > > The

Re: What are the VM motivations??

2001-06-24 Thread Jason McMullan
On Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 04:29:09PM -0300, Rik van Riel wrote: > Over the last year there has been quite a bit of discussion > with Stephen Tweedie, Matt Dillon and more people. Parts of > it can be found on http://linux-mm.org/ > > The conclusion of most of this discussion is in my FREENIX >

Re: What are the VM motivations??

2001-06-24 Thread Jonathan Morton
>The conclusion of most of this discussion is in my FREENIX >paper, which can be found at http://www.surriel.com/lectures/. Aha... that paper answers a lot of the questions I had about how things work. I seem to remember asking some of them, too, and didn't get an answer... :P --

Re: Crash on boot (2.4.5)

2001-06-24 Thread Steven Walter
On Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 01:51:09PM -0500, Daniel Fraley wrote: > Hi, everyone.. I'm borrowing my roommate's email, so please send replies to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! > > Here's my problem... when I boot anything 2.4, I get several oopsen in a > row, all of which are either (most commonly)

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