Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 19, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually you are in error here. You are saying "More home users == More > Developers" when the ratio of home users to developers isn't all that high. > (small set of facts: "Hacker" == "Developer" (in most cases, where the term, >

Re: [patch 4/6] ps3: Disk Storage Driver

2007-06-18 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 04:08:58PM -0700, David Miller wrote: > That's not gonna work, it's a totally different model. > > I have a predefined protocol over hypervisor provided "channels" and > page flipping also done by the hypervisor for the bulk data transfer. > For the client side I cannot

Re: [patch 4/6] ps3: Disk Storage Driver

2007-06-18 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 02:19:17PM -0700, David Miller wrote: > Another quirk I have to deal with is that under LDOMs you > can export full disks and also just slices. So I'll have > to get down into the partition machinery to support that > somehow. What's the problem with that? Partition

Re: [patch 5/6] ps3: ROM Storage Driver

2007-06-18 Thread Christoph Hellwig
Looks pretty nice. Some more comments: - no need for the BLK_DEV_SR dependency, it should depend on SCSI instead (which might be implied by beeing in the scsi menu, don't remember that detail) - ps3rom_priv should probably be an inline - the cmd field in struct ps3rom_private should

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 19, 2007, Linus Torvalds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The GPLv2 is the one that allows more developers. > The GPLv2 is the one that is acceptable to more people. Based on my understanding that the anti-tivoization provisions are *the* objectionable issue about GPLv3 for those of you

Re: [patch 05/26] Slab allocators: Cleanup zeroing allocations

2007-06-18 Thread Pekka Enberg
On 6/19/2007, "Christoph Lameter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IA64 [snip] > Saved ~500 bytes in text size. > > x86_64: [snip] > 200 bytes saved. Looks good. Thanks Christoph. Acked-by: Pekka Enberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe

Re: [patch 4/6] ps3: Disk Storage Driver

2007-06-18 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 01:39:23PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > From: Geert Uytterhoeven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Add a Disk Storage Driver for the PS3: > - Implemented as a block device driver with a dynamic major > - Disk names (and partitions) are of the format ps3d%c(%u) > - Uses

Re: 2.6.20->2.6.21 - networking dies after random time

2007-06-18 Thread Jarek Poplawski
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 08:10:00AM -0700, Stephen Hemminger wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:08:49 +0200 > Jarek Poplawski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 16-06-2007 23:35, Marcin .lusarz wrote: > > > hi > > > after upgrading kernel from 2.6.20 to 2.6.21.3 i'm experiencing really > > > strange

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 18, 2007, Jan Harkes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not really, Tivo could simply sell you a box without any installed > software. Yes. > The actual software is mailed to you on a credit card sized > ROM when you activate service. If that's a separate transaction, then yes, I believe it

Re: v2.6.21.4-rt11

2007-06-18 Thread Srivatsa Vaddagiri
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 08:46:03PM -0700, Christoph Lameter wrote: > @@ -2493,17 +2493,18 @@ static void idle_balance(int this_cpu, s > unsigned long next_balance = jiffies + 60 * HZ; > > for_each_domain(this_cpu, sd) { > - if (sd->flags & SD_BALANCE_NEWIDLE) { > +

Re: [PATCH] relay-file-read-start-pos-fix.patch

2007-06-18 Thread Tom Zanussi
On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 12:43 +0900, Masami Hiramatsu wrote: > Hi David and Tom, > > David Wilder wrote: > > This patch fixes a bug in the relay read interface causing the number > > of consumed bytes to be set incorrectly. > > Thank you. Your patch fixes one of my concerns. > However there is

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 18, 2007, "Kevin Bowling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Legitimate laws and practices require that certain devices not be > modified by end users. Therefore TiVo fails and contributions > cease. I've never denied this possibility. But how about all the other devices that are being

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 18, 2007, "David Schwartz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why is the fact that only the root user can load a kernel module not a > further restriction? Because the user (under whose control the computer is, be it person or company) set up the root password herself? >> > The GPL was never,

Re: 2.6.20->2.6.21 - networking dies after random time

2007-06-18 Thread Jarek Poplawski
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 08:10:00AM -0700, Stephen Hemminger wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:08:49 +0200 > Jarek Poplawski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > > It looks like skge driver enables different device than probbed. > > Maybe you've something old/wrong about eth0/eth1 in /etc configs? > >

[-RT] multiple streams have degraded performance

2007-06-18 Thread Vernon Mauery
In looking at the performance characteristics of my network I found that 2.6.21.5-rt15 suffers from degraded thoughput with multiple threads. The test that I did this with is simply invoking 1, 2, 4, and 8 instances of netperf at a time and measuring the total throughput. I have two 4-way

Re: SATA problems

2007-06-18 Thread Nigel Kukard
> > > > > > Jun 14 07:55:52 nigel-m2v kernel: ATA: abnormal status 0x7F on port > > > > 0x0001c807 > > > > Jun 14 07:55:52 nigel-m2v kernel: ATA: abnormal status 0x7F on port > > > > 0x0001c807 > > > > Unrelated to the other error, but I've been meaning to ask for a while.. > > If

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Tim Post
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 23:21 -0400, Daniel Drake wrote: > Let's take a certain class of medical devices into account: ones that > are absolutely definitely for medical treatment, but are not life > threatening if they fail. > > Say, a dental treatment device -- if the device produces a crown or

Re: [BUG] long freezes on thinkpad t60

2007-06-18 Thread Ravikiran G Thirumalai
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 01:20:55AM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:12:04 +0200 Ingo Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Subject: [patch] x86: fix spin-loop starvation bug > > From: Ingo Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >

Re: [patch] use __asm__ and __volatile__ in i386/arm/s390 byteorder.h

2007-06-18 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 09:00:09PM +0200, Sam Ravnborg wrote: > Do you imply that if we see asm or __asm__ in user space headers we ougth > to warn about it? > Seems at least sensible to me but if we introduce such a check we should > kill all offenders first - which Mike's patches seems to

Re: v2.6.21.4-rt11

2007-06-18 Thread Thomas Gleixner
Katsuya-San, On Tue, 2007-06-19 at 01:14 +0900, Katsuya MATSUBARA wrote: > > It lacks support for the generic timeofday and clock event layers, which > > causes the compile breakage. > > I am working on Renesas SuperH platforms. > I faced the similar compile errors > because 2.6.21.X in SH

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Al Viro
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 08:46:44PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > So I have actual *numbers* on my side. What do you have, except for a > history of not actually understanding my arguments? Why do I suddenly have an image of Palin as Ximenez doing the answer? - To unsubscribe from this list:

This is [Re:] How to improve the quality of the kernel[?].

2007-06-18 Thread Oleg Verych
[Dear Debbug developers, i wish your ideas will be useful.] * From: Linus Torvalds * Newsgroups: gmane.linux.kernel * Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:09:37 -0700 (PDT) > > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Martin Bligh wrote: >> >> Sorry to be a wet blanket, but I've seen those sort of things >> before, and they

Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages

2007-06-18 Thread Gerrit Huizenga
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:13:19 PDT, Tim Bird wrote: > Gerrit Huizenga wrote: > > Further, yet another kernel config option could allow distros to output > > the calculated MD5 sum to be printed, much like we do with timestamps > > today. > > > Comments? > > Would the compiled-in text then also

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > > "More Developers" (either "Free Software" or "Open Source") == "More > > Contributions" > > No, seriously. Linus is disputing the equation above, dismissing my > various attempts to show it to him, whenever it appears in teh context > of

Re: [PATCH] relay-file-read-start-pos-fix.patch

2007-06-18 Thread Masami Hiramatsu
Hi David and Tom, David Wilder wrote: > This patch fixes a bug in the relay read interface causing the number > of consumed bytes to be set incorrectly. Thank you. Your patch fixes one of my concerns. However there is another bug I found. When I use relayfs with "overwrite" mode, read() still

Re: v2.6.21.4-rt11

2007-06-18 Thread Christoph Lameter
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Siddha, Suresh B wrote: > > + if (time_after(next_balance, > > + sd->last_balance + sd->balance_interval)) > > + next_balance = sd->last_balance > > + + sd->balance_interval; > > don't we have

Re: mea culpa on the meaning of Tivoization

2007-06-18 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Monday 18 June 2007 22:57:20 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 18, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Monday 18 June 2007 17:31:47 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > >> And if you look at GPLv3dd1 or dd2 IIRC, that's how it started. For > >> some reason, the FSF turned it into the

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Daniel Drake
Let's take a certain class of medical devices into account: ones that are absolutely definitely for medical treatment, but are not life threatening if they fail. Say, a dental treatment device -- if the device produces a crown or bridge that doesn't fit properly, the dentist says "nope" and

Re: Versioning file system

2007-06-18 Thread Kyle Moffett
On Jun 18, 2007, at 17:24:23, Brad Boyer wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 12:26:57AM +0200, Jörn Engel wrote: Pointless here means that _I_ don't see the point. Maybe there are valid uses for extended attributes. If there are, noone has explained them to me yet. The users of extended

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Monday 18 June 2007 22:06:57 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 18, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Monday 18 June 2007 19:31:30 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > >> On Jun 18, 2007, Linus Torvalds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> Actually, just think of how many times you've

Re: Versioning file system

2007-06-18 Thread Kyle Moffett
On Jun 18, 2007, at 13:56:05, Bryan Henderson wrote: The question remains is where to implement versioning: directly in individual filesystems or in the vfs code so all filesystems can use it? Or not in the kernel at all. I've been doing versioning of the types I described for years with

Re: [RFC] Generic Trace Setup and Control (GTSC) kernel API (2/3)

2007-06-18 Thread Martin Hunt
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 23:43 +0400, Alexey Dobriyan wrote: > > Can we get another user to justify this generalizing? Systemtap will be using this. Most users of the relay interface will need to duplicate much of the functionality of GTSC so I expect others will use it when it is available. -

Re: mea culpa on the meaning of Tivoization

2007-06-18 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 18, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 18 June 2007 17:31:47 Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> And if you look at GPLv3dd1 or dd2 IIRC, that's how it started. For >> some reason, the FSF turned it into the more lax (in some senses) >> installation information for user

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Michael Poole
David Schwartz writes: >> David Schwartz writes: > >> >> First, end users buy and use the hardware in question. It does not >> >> belong to Tivo, so the analogy to his laptop fails there. > >> > No, this is incorrect. They buy *some* of the rights to the >> > hardware but not >> > all of them.

Re: mea culpa on the meaning of Tivoization

2007-06-18 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 18, 2007, Hans-Jürgen Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am Montag 18 Juni 2007 23:18 schrieb Alexandre Oliva: >> On Jun 18, 2007, Hans-Jürgen Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> Vendor would be entitled to the benefit of the doubt as to the >> >> motivations in this case, so it would

[PATCH RT] Don't call mcount from vsyscall_fn's

2007-06-18 Thread Steven Rostedt
This bit me in the butt. I couldn't understand why my init app was segfaulting, with a kernel address, but a user RIP and RSP. Well, the RIP I think was bogus, but the kernel address was always the start of "mcount". Looking deeper, I printed out what was in the RSP (even though it was a user

Is kdb package available for 2.6 Linux on PowerPC?

2007-06-18 Thread gshan
Hey Guys, Recently, I need work on my TTY (console) driver so that it could support kdb. I didn't have much experiences on linux kdb. So my questions are: 1) 2.6 Linux for PowerPC could support kdb? where can I find the source code? 2) If 2.6 Linux for PowerPC doesn't support kdb, where

Re: GPLv3 dispute solution - new open source license?

2007-06-18 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 18, 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Joshua David Williams wrote: >> On 6/18/07, Carlo Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Now, writing yet another license for the linux kernel is >>> therefore NOT the solution - if you get my drift. >> >> The new license could be

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 18, 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Johannes Stezenbach wrote: >>> But since the software is good, and moving to another software >>> would be costly in various dimentions, the vendor has an incentive >>> to stick with the software they have. > but if regulations or

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 18, 2007, Johannes Stezenbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jun 18, 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> People talk a lot about TiVo here, but do they the faintest idea of >> how the conversations with TiVo are proceeding? I thought so... > Oh, if you know something we don't, could

Re: How to improve the quality of the kernel?

2007-06-18 Thread Natalie Protasevich
On 6/18/07, Fortier,Vincent [Montreal] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -Message d'origine- > De : Natalie Protasevich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Envoyé : 18 juin 2007 18:56 > > On 6/18/07, Martin Bligh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > So if you make changes to random-driver.c you can do

Re: v2.6.21.4-rt11

2007-06-18 Thread Siddha, Suresh B
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 10:59:21AM -0700, Christoph Lameter wrote: > for_each_domain(this_cpu, sd) { > - if (sd->flags & SD_BALANCE_NEWIDLE) { > + if (sd->flags & SD_BALANCE_NEWIDLE) > /* If we've pulled tasks over stop searching: */ >

Re: Questions on one PowerPC assembly instruction from hash_page

2007-06-18 Thread gshan
Mikael Pettersson wrote: On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:33:22 +0800, gshan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I can't understand the following instructions from arch/ppc/mm/hashtable.S::hash_page. If I got the right design, the following instruction is to get the PMD (Page Middle Descritor) because Linux

Re: v2.6.21.4-rt11

2007-06-18 Thread Siddha, Suresh B
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 07:22:32AM +0530, Srivatsa Vaddagiri wrote: > On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 10:59:21AM -0700, Christoph Lameter wrote: > > I think the check in idle_balance needs to be modified. > > > > If the domain *does not* have SD_BALANCE_NEWIDLE set then > > next_balance must still be set

RE: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread David Schwartz
> This is a very limited reading of the GPL that leaves out one of its > most important provisions: the bit about "no further restrictions". Why is the fact that only the root user can load a kernel module not a further restriction? Simple -- anyone who is bothered by that restriction can remove

RE: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread David Schwartz
> David Schwartz writes: > >> First, end users buy and use the hardware in question. It does not > >> belong to Tivo, so the analogy to his laptop fails there. > > No, this is incorrect. They buy *some* of the rights to the > > hardware but not > > all of them. Specifically, they do not buy

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 18, 2007, Daniel Hazelton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 18 June 2007 19:31:30 Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> On Jun 18, 2007, Linus Torvalds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Actually, just think of how many times you've heard the argument "I >> can't give you the source code for this

RE: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread David Schwartz
> The box could even be sold by third party vendors, I think they may even > have started off that way, my old Series 1 had a big Philips logo on it. > So now we make sure that this hardware refuses to boot any unsigned > code, but it wasn't shipped containing GPLv3 software, so it's license >

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 18, 2007, Joshua David Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Open Source Definition ... derived from the Debian Free Software Guidelines, engineered to reflect the Free Software definition ... > wrote: >> 9. License Must Not Restrict Other Software >> Yes, the GPL is conformant

Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages

2007-06-18 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 15:53 +0200, holzheu wrote: > On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 06:12 -0700, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 14:55 +0200, holzheu wrote: > > > Hi Gerrit, > > > > > > The common thing of your and our approach is, that we need an ID to > > > identify a message either by:

Re: [patch-mm 00/25] High resolution timer updates and x86_64 support - V2

2007-06-18 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 16:06 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:36:00 -, Thomas Gleixner said: > > The following patch series contains: > > > > - dyntick bugfixes for -mm (caused by the cpuidle changes in ACPI) > > > > - updates and improvements to high resolution timer

RE: How to improve the quality of the kernel?

2007-06-18 Thread Fortier,Vincent [Montreal]
> -Message d'origine- > De : Natalie Protasevich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Envoyé : 18 juin 2007 18:56 > > On 6/18/07, Martin Bligh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > So if you make changes to random-driver.c you can do `git-log > > >> > random-driver.c|grep Tested-by" to find people

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 18, 2007, "David Schwartz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Any number of ways. For example, you probably don't connect the >> > serial ports >> > to a device I have access to. >> But you're not the user of the software on my laptop. I am. > Even when I get web pages from your web

Re: v2.6.21.4-rt11

2007-06-18 Thread Srivatsa Vaddagiri
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 10:59:21AM -0700, Christoph Lameter wrote: > I think the check in idle_balance needs to be modified. > > If the domain *does not* have SD_BALANCE_NEWIDLE set then > next_balance must still be set right. Does this patch fix it? Is the ->next_balance calculation in

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Jan Harkes
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 08:31:30PM -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 18, 2007, Linus Torvalds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In the GPLv3 world, we have already discussed in this thread how you can > > follow the GPLv3 by making the TECHNICALLY INFERIOR choice of using a ROM > > instead of

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 18, 2007, "David Schwartz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> First, end users buy and use the hardware in question. It does not >> belong to Tivo, so the analogy to his laptop fails there. > No, this is incorrect. They buy *some* of the rights to the hardware but not > all of them. Wow,

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Michael Poole
David Schwartz writes: >> First, end users buy and use the hardware in question. It does not >> belong to Tivo, so the analogy to his laptop fails there. > > No, this is incorrect. They buy *some* of the rights to the hardware but not > all of them. Specifically, they do not buy the right to

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 18, 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Ok, next question, could you do the same thing if you used a CD > instead of a ROM? Yes, I believe the very same reasoning applies. > what makes a blob delivered via a network inherently different from > the same blob delivered via a plugin ROM or CD?

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Kevin Bowling
On 6/18/07, Alexandre Oliva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jun 18, 2007, Linus Torvalds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just want software back. I think it is *wrong* for me to ask for > anything else. It's literally my personal "moral choice": I think the > hardware manufacturers need to make

Re: PCI userland access non-mmap APIs, kernel access to legacy space

2007-06-18 Thread Benjamin Herrenschmidt
> But adding read/write is fine with me. In fact, having read/write hooks > for the memory backed resource files is also nice, since it makes > dealing with them on the command line a bit easier. Plan is to use iomap so I get both IO and MMIO for (almost) free :-) > > Also, while at it, I

Re: [RFC] [PATCH] selective signal ptracing

2007-06-18 Thread Benjamin Herrenschmidt
On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 08:15 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > On 6/16/07, Roland McGrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What are the issues with arch like ARM ? > > > > The interesting class ARM belongs to is machines that don't (or don't > > always) have hardware support for single-step. Maintaining

Re: How to improve the quality of the kernel?

2007-06-18 Thread Martin Bligh
> Maybe searching free text fields can then be implemented. Then every > message exchange in bugzilla can be used for extracting such info - > questions about HW specifics are asked a lot, almost in every one. > It's a shame we cant' use this information. I was once searching for > "VIA" and got

Re: How to improve the quality of the kernel?

2007-06-18 Thread Natalie Protasevich
On 6/18/07, Martin Bligh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sure, simplicity is a key - but most of reporters on bugs are pretty > professional folks (or very well rounded amateurs :) We can try still > why not? the worst that can happen will be empty fields. mmm. added complexity and interface

Question about a strange behavior of copy_to_user() in ioctl call

2007-06-18 Thread News Letter
Hi, I need some help here to understand copy_to_user(). I encountered a strange copy_to_user() behavior when working on CentOS from Redhat (kernel version 2.6.9-22.ELsmp, x86_64 CPU). For a kernel module, I wrote a ioctl call to allow user mode program to get some kernel data information. When

Re: Device hang when offlining a CPU due to IRQ misrouting

2007-06-18 Thread Darrick J. Wong
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 04:54:34PM -0700, Siddha, Suresh B wrote: > > > > [ 256.298787] irq=4341 affinity=d > > > > And just to make sure, at this point, your MSI irq 4341 affinity > (/proc/irq/4341/smp_affinity) still points to '2'? Actually, it's 0xD. From the kernel's perspective the

Re: How to improve the quality of the kernel?

2007-06-18 Thread Martin Bligh
Sure, simplicity is a key - but most of reporters on bugs are pretty professional folks (or very well rounded amateurs :) We can try still why not? the worst that can happen will be empty fields. mmm. added complexity and interface clutter for little or no benefit is what I'm trying to avoid -

2.6.21.5-rt15: BUG: scheduling with irqs disabled

2007-06-18 Thread Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
Hi Ingo, I'm seeing this on 2.6.21.5-rt14 and 2.6.21.5-rt15, this problem did not happen in 2.6.21.3-rt9 (last I checked on this hardware). The computer is an athlon x2 and eth0 is "alias eth0 skge", the BUGs trigger on network activity (but not a constant stream of them)... BUG: scheduling with

Re: regression tracking (Re: Linux 2.6.21)

2007-06-18 Thread Martin Bligh
Linus Torvalds wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Oleg Verych wrote: I'm seeing this long (198) thread and just have no idea how it has ended (wiki? hand-mailing?). I'm hoping it's not "ended". IOW, I really don't think we _resolved_ anything, although the work that Adrian started is continuing

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 01:03:40PM -0700, David Schwartz wrote: > So you're arguing two sides of no argument at all. Yeah, pretty much. I take back my arguments in the previous couple of my posts up this thread. They don't actually hold together! Sorry for wasting your time correct me. Bron.

Re: How to improve the quality of the kernel?

2007-06-18 Thread Natalie Protasevich
On 6/18/07, Linus Torvalds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Martin Bligh wrote: > > Sorry to be a wet blanket, but I've seen those sort of things > before, and they just don't seem to work, especially in the > environment we're in with such a massive diversity of hardware. I do

Re: How to improve the quality of the kernel?

2007-06-18 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Martin Bligh wrote: > > Sorry to be a wet blanket, but I've seen those sort of things > before, and they just don't seem to work, especially in the > environment we're in with such a massive diversity of hardware. I do agree. It _sounds_ like a great idea to try to control

Re: Change in default vm_dirty_ratio

2007-06-18 Thread Arjan van de Ven
> Is it good to keep tons of dirty stuff around? Sure. It allows overwriting > (and thus avoiding doing the write in the first place), but it also allows > for a more aggressive IO scheduling, in that you have more writes that you > can schedule. it also allows for an elevator that can merge

Re: [RFC/PATCH] Documentation of kernel messages

2007-06-18 Thread Tim Bird
Gerrit Huizenga wrote: > Further, yet another kernel config option could allow distros to output > the calculated MD5 sum to be printed, much like we do with timestamps > today. > Comments? Would the compiled-in text then also become replaceable? Or is the MD5 sum output expected to be in

Re: Versioning file system

2007-06-18 Thread Brad Boyer
On Tue, Jun 19, 2007 at 12:26:57AM +0200, Jörn Engel wrote: > Pointless here means that _I_ don't see the point. Maybe there are > valid uses for extended attributes. If there are, noone has explained > them to me yet. The users of extended attributes that I've dealt with are ACL support and

Re: Change in default vm_dirty_ratio

2007-06-18 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Andrew Morton wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:14:30 -0700 > Tim Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Andrew, > > > > The default vm_dirty_ratio changed from 40 to 10 > > for the 2.6.22-rc kernels in this patch: Yup. > > IOZone write drops by about 60% when test file

Re: How to improve the quality of the kernel?

2007-06-18 Thread Martin Bligh
Natalie Protasevich wrote: On 6/18/07, Martin Bligh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > So if you make changes to random-driver.c you can do `git-log >> > random-driver.c|grep Tested-by" to find people who can test >> > your changes for you. >> >> You would'nt even need to search in GIT. Maybie

Re: Device hang when offlining a CPU due to IRQ misrouting

2007-06-18 Thread Siddha, Suresh B
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 03:38:20PM -0700, Darrick J. Wong wrote: > On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 05:57:26PM -0700, Siddha, Suresh B wrote: > > > As you have the failing system, you need to do more detective work and > > help me out. Can you try this debug patch and send across the dmesg after > > the

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > technically, it asks you to pass on (!= give back) access to the > software (not to the hardware that contains it). That "technically" is just another way of saying "if you look cross-eyed at it, and don't look too closely". > No. The reason,

Re: [PATCH] - Add IOAPIC NMI support on x86_64

2007-06-18 Thread Andi Kleen
John Keller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Add support for IOAPIC NMI interrupts on x86_64. > > Changes include the following: > > - Obtain the NMI IOAPIC info via an ACPI NMI SRC structure that is > part of the MADT, and program the IOAPIC redirection register. > The NMI SRC struct

Re: Change in default vm_dirty_ratio

2007-06-18 Thread Andrew Morton
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:14:30 -0700 Tim Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andrew, > > The default vm_dirty_ratio changed from 40 to 10 > for the 2.6.22-rc kernels in this patch: > > http://git.kernel.org/? >

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Daniel Hazelton
On Monday 18 June 2007 19:31:30 Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Jun 18, 2007, Linus Torvalds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > With the GPLv2, you need to give your software modifications back, but > > the > BZZT! > > GPLv2 never *ever* makes any technical

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread david
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Johannes Stezenbach wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: People talk a lot about TiVo here, but do they the faintest idea of how the conversations with TiVo are proceeding? I thought so... Oh, if you know something we don't, could you please fill us in?

Re: GIT Packages for Debian Etch

2007-06-18 Thread Roland Dreier
> Is there some way you can feed that into Debian please? Why the go around > through a separate repository? The maintainer of git-core is not actively > maintaining the package? No. The current version of git in Debian is 1.5.2.1, a little out of date from the current 1.5.2.2 but not too

Re: Updated Btrfs project site online -git repo?

2007-06-18 Thread Chris Mason
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 09:53:39PM +0200, Maria Domenica Bertolucci wrote: > Would it be possible to have a git repo as well so as to keep in sync > with all git kernel projects? It also helps standardize things. Sorry, the repos will stay Mercurial based for now. These are small repos and not

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Alexandre Oliva
On Jun 18, 2007, Linus Torvalds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: >> >> 1. I asked you why GPLv2 is better, and you said it was because it >> promoted giving back in kind. > Where I explained that "in kind" was about *software*. Yes, we'd already

Re: [1/2] 2.6.22-rc5: known regressions

2007-06-18 Thread Malte Cornils
Hello, Am Montag, 18. Juni 2007 18:29 schrieb Greg KH: > On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 01:02:42PM +0200, Malte Cornils wrote: > > Hello, > > > Subject: PCI setup hangs on Asus Notebook (nolapic helps) > > > References : http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/6/14/161 > > > Submitter : Malte Cornils <[EMAIL

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Johannes Stezenbach
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007, Alexandre Oliva wrote: > > People talk a lot about TiVo here, but do they the faintest idea of > how the conversations with TiVo are proceeding? I thought so... Oh, if you know something we don't, could you please fill us in? And who was it who coined the "Tivoization"

Re: GPLv3 dispute solution - new open source license?

2007-06-18 Thread alan
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Alan Cox wrote: If we can't adopt the GPLv3, it seems obvious to me that we need our own solution. Its called GPL v2. Its not the Spirit of the GPLv3 I object to, its the hangover the next morning. Why do I see this horse-shaped hole that people continue to want to

Re: GPLv3 dispute solution - new open source license?

2007-06-18 Thread Alan Cox
> If we can't adopt the GPLv3, it seems obvious to me that we need our own > solution. Its called GPL v2. Alan - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at

Re: GIT Packages for Debian Etch

2007-06-18 Thread Christoph Lameter
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Thomas Glanzmann wrote: > Hello, > a friend of mine always builds the Debian Packages from unstable for > Debian Etch. I have on all my machines the following line in > /etc/apt/sources.list: > > deb http://rmdir.de/~michael/git/ ./ > > apt-get update; apt-get

Re: Versioning file system

2007-06-18 Thread Bron Gondwana
On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 11:32:38AM -0400, Chris Mason wrote: > On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 03:45:24AM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote: > > Too bad everyone is spending time on 10 similar-but-slightly-different > > filesystems. This will likely end up with a bunch of filesystems that > > implement some

Re: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread Alan Cox
> the software on your laptop is owned by people like Linus, Al Viro, David > M, Alan Cox, etc. Not quite that simple. An easier way to think about this one is books. You own the book but you don't own the right to reproduce the words within. You can however boil the book, use it as bog roll or

Change in default vm_dirty_ratio

2007-06-18 Thread Tim Chen
Andrew, The default vm_dirty_ratio changed from 40 to 10 for the 2.6.22-rc kernels in this patch: http://git.kernel.org/? p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=07db59bd6b0f279c31044cba6787344f63be87ea;hp=de46c33745f5e2ad594c72f2cf5f490861b16ce1 IOZone write drops by about

Re: How to improve the quality of the kernel?

2007-06-18 Thread Martin Bligh
> So if you make changes to random-driver.c you can do `git-log > random-driver.c|grep Tested-by" to find people who can test > your changes for you. You would'nt even need to search in GIT. Maybie even when ever a patchset is being proposed a mail could be sent to appropriate hardware/or

Re: [patch 1/3] Text Edit Lock - i386

2007-06-18 Thread Andi Kleen
On Tuesday 19 June 2007 00:52:25 Chuck Ebbert wrote: > On 06/18/2007 05:58 PM, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote: > > Interface to use for code patching : uses a mutex to insure mutual edit > > exclusion and makes sure the page is writable. > > > ... > > +/* Mutex protecting text section modification

Re: [patch 1/3] Text Edit Lock - i386

2007-06-18 Thread Mathieu Desnoyers
* Chuck Ebbert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On 06/18/2007 05:58 PM, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote: > > Interface to use for code patching : uses a mutex to insure mutual edit > > exclusion and makes sure the page is writable. > > > ... > > +/* Mutex protecting text section modification (dynamic code

RE: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread David Schwartz
> First, end users buy and use the hardware in question. It does not > belong to Tivo, so the analogy to his laptop fails there. No, this is incorrect. They buy *some* of the rights to the hardware but not all of them. Specifically, they do not buy the right to choose what software runs on that

Re: Versioning file system

2007-06-18 Thread alan
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, Jeremy Allison wrote: Just because I now agree with you that streams are a bad idea doesn't mean the pressure to support them in some way in Samba has gone away :-). Having dealt with Stream's support[1] in the past, I can assure you it is a bad idea. ]:> [1]

RE: Dual-Licensing Linux Kernel with GPL V2 and GPL V3

2007-06-18 Thread David Schwartz
> > But you're not the user of the software on my laptop. I am. > ahh, but by your own argument you aren't Let's not confuse owner with user and let's not confuse ownership of copyrights with ownership of particular copies. > the software on your laptop is owned by people like Linus, Al Viro,

Re: 2.6.22-rc5 regression

2007-06-18 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Carlo Wood wrote: > > Conclusion: the weird behaviour that you think was wrong is > totally due to git 1.4.4.4. Ok. I'll bounce a note to Junio just due to curiosity in case he goes "ahh, yeah, it was that known bug", but I'll otherwise ignore this. Git-1.5.x is such a

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