Re: Kernel HOWTO update?

2001-07-04 Thread Ben Ford
Shawn Starr wrote: >Section: >7.6 You forgot to run LILO, or system doesn't boot at all > >You might want to update the following line: > >"Using LILO with big drives (more than 1024 cylinders) can cause problems. >See the LILO mini-HOWTO or documentation for help on that." > >This isn't true

Re: Kernel HOWTO update?

2001-07-04 Thread Ben Ford
Shawn Starr wrote: Section: 7.6 You forgot to run LILO, or system doesn't boot at all You might want to update the following line: Using LILO with big drives (more than 1024 cylinders) can cause problems. See the LILO mini-HOWTO or documentation for help on that. This isn't true anymore

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Ben Ford
Paul Mundt wrote: >On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 04:50:44PM -0700, Ben Ford wrote: > >>Name a single tech company anywhere in the world that doesn't have to >>deal with microsoftisms. >> >This depends on your definition of dealing with MSisms. If you mean having a >co

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Ben Ford
> > >It's hard to understand the point of such arguments. Surely you shouldn't >be upset at someone for providing you the best option you have, should you? > The point is they aren't offering the best solution! They are taking away all others! That is why people dislike the company. -b --

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Ben Ford
Jesse Pollard wrote: >On Sun, 01 Jul 2001, Jesse Pollard wrote: > >>On Sun, 01 Jul 2001, Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: >> >>>I'll just have to decide which I value more. As long as I won't be killed >>>for using a different OS, I still have a choice. >>> >>No, but you might be forced out of a job.

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Ben Ford
Paul Mundt wrote: >On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:35:24PM -0400, Adam Schrotenboer wrote: > >>So as a user you are free to not use M$ products. >>What if you are IT. Then you do not have a choice. >> >You always have a choice, work elsewhere. If you're in a position where you're >working with MS

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Ben Ford
Paul Mundt wrote: On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:35:24PM -0400, Adam Schrotenboer wrote: So as a user you are free to not use M$ products. What if you are IT. Then you do not have a choice. You always have a choice, work elsewhere. If you're in a position where you're working with MS products, you

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Ben Ford
Jesse Pollard wrote: On Sun, 01 Jul 2001, Jesse Pollard wrote: On Sun, 01 Jul 2001, Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: I'll just have to decide which I value more. As long as I won't be killed for using a different OS, I still have a choice. No, but you might be forced out of a job. Apologies for

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Ben Ford
It's hard to understand the point of such arguments. Surely you shouldn't be upset at someone for providing you the best option you have, should you? The point is they aren't offering the best solution! They are taking away all others! That is why people dislike the company. -b -- :

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Ben Ford
Paul Mundt wrote: On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 04:50:44PM -0700, Ben Ford wrote: Name a single tech company anywhere in the world that doesn't have to deal with microsoftisms. This depends on your definition of dealing with MSisms. If you mean having a copy of an MS product physically present

Re: Cosmetic JFFS patch.

2001-06-30 Thread Ben Ford
David Woodhouse wrote: > >Also consider the question "What was the last thing you see on screen >before it reboots?" > USER: A bunch of words. TECH: What words? USER: Dunno, there were a lot though. ;) -b -- :__o : -\<, : 0/ 0 --- - To unsubscribe from this list: send

Re: Cosmetic JFFS patch.

2001-06-30 Thread Ben Ford
David Woodhouse wrote: Also consider the question What was the last thing you see on screen before it reboots? USER: A bunch of words. TECH: What words? USER: Dunno, there were a lot though. ;) -b -- :__o : -\, : 0/ 0 --- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line

Re: mounting a fs in two places at once?

2001-06-27 Thread Ben Ford
Chris Wedgwood wrote: >On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 02:20:16AM -0700, Ben Ford wrote: > >>Feature. It actually makes it quite nice when you want to allow >>chrooted user(s) access to a common directory, you just mount a >>partition in all the users home dirs. >> >

Re: mounting a fs in two places at once?

2001-06-27 Thread Ben Ford
Chris Wedgwood wrote: On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 02:20:16AM -0700, Ben Ford wrote: Feature. It actually makes it quite nice when you want to allow chrooted user(s) access to a common directory, you just mount a partition in all the users home dirs. For security, this can be a bad idea. 'tis

Re: The Joy of Forking

2001-06-25 Thread Ben Ford
Rick Hohensee wrote: >>desktops to worry about. Desktops are an application, not part of Linux at all >>It is becoming better for the administrator. As better desktops are developed, >>it is becoming for "user friendly". >> > >Thanks for replying civilly to something you clearly don't agree

Re: mounting a fs in two places at once?

2001-06-25 Thread Ben Ford
Marty Leisner wrote: > >/dev/hda10 on /mnt type ext2 (rw) >/dev/hda10 on /home type ext2 (rw) > > >Is this a feature or a bug? > Feature. It actually makes it quite nice when you want to allow chrooted user(s) access to a common directory, you just mount a partition in all the users home

Re: mounting a fs in two places at once?

2001-06-25 Thread Ben Ford
Marty Leisner wrote: /dev/hda10 on /mnt type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda10 on /home type ext2 (rw) Is this a feature or a bug? Feature. It actually makes it quite nice when you want to allow chrooted user(s) access to a common directory, you just mount a partition in all the users home dirs. -b

Re: The Joy of Forking

2001-06-25 Thread Ben Ford
Rick Hohensee wrote: desktops to worry about. Desktops are an application, not part of Linux at all It is becoming better for the administrator. As better desktops are developed, it is becoming for user friendly. Thanks for replying civilly to something you clearly don't agree with. Basically,

Re: One more ZDNet article with BillG hammering Linux and Open Source.

2001-06-22 Thread Ben Ford
Miles Lane wrote: >http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2777283,00.html > [ . . . ] > >BillG -- We keep making it easier and easier, and anything people want source >code for, we'll figure out a way to get it to them. It's kind of a strange >thing in a way because most commercial

Re: One more ZDNet article with BillG hammering Linux and Open Source.

2001-06-22 Thread Ben Ford
Miles Lane wrote: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2777283,00.html [ . . . ] BillG -- We keep making it easier and easier, and anything people want source code for, we'll figure out a way to get it to them. It's kind of a strange thing in a way because most commercial customers

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up

2001-05-21 Thread Ben Ford
Mike Castle wrote: >On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 02:29:17AM +0200, Jes Sorensen wrote: > >>distributions). 18 months is more realistic for it to be deployed >>widely enough. >> > >People who are going to be savvy enough to install a development 2.5.* >kernel that is defining a new configuration

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up

2001-05-21 Thread Ben Ford
Mike Castle wrote: On Mon, May 21, 2001 at 02:29:17AM +0200, Jes Sorensen wrote: distributions). 18 months is more realistic for it to be deployed widely enough. People who are going to be savvy enough to install a development 2.5.* kernel that is defining a new configuration utility are

Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up

2001-05-19 Thread Ben Ford
Alan Cox wrote: >>Second, how many kernels does Redhat ship in order to have one for >>386/486/586/k6/Athlon . . . . >>Quite a pain in the ass. And look at how much shit has to be built in >>in order to get a kernel that works for everybody! People bitch at >>Microsoft for doing it, then

Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up

2001-05-19 Thread Ben Ford
Pete Zaitcev wrote: >>[about Aunt Tullie] >>Because, for example, a kernel compile can be a part of the standard >>install now, and you will end up with a kernel built specifically for >>your machine that doesn't print 50 initialization failed messages on boot. >>[...] >>And you can also now

Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up

2001-05-19 Thread Ben Ford
Pete Zaitcev wrote: [about Aunt Tullie] Because, for example, a kernel compile can be a part of the standard install now, and you will end up with a kernel built specifically for your machine that doesn't print 50 initialization failed messages on boot. [...] And you can also now run a kernel

Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up

2001-05-19 Thread Ben Ford
Alan Cox wrote: Second, how many kernels does Redhat ship in order to have one for 386/486/586/k6/Athlon . . . . Quite a pain in the ass. And look at how much shit has to be built in in order to get a kernel that works for everybody! People bitch at Microsoft for doing it, then turn around

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up

2001-05-18 Thread Ben Ford
Arjan van de Ven wrote: >"Eric S. Raymond" wrote: > >> >>an old interface in amber do anything to explore new UI possibilities? >> > >kernel != GUI > UI != GUI -- "One trend that bothers me is the glorification of stupidity, that the media is reassuring people it's alright not to know

Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up

2001-05-18 Thread Ben Ford
Charles Cazabon wrote: >Eric S. Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Arjan van de Ven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >>>Aunt Tillie doesn't even know what a kernel is, nor does she want >>>to. I think it's fair to assume that people who configure and >>>compile their own kernel (as opposed to using

Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up

2001-05-18 Thread Ben Ford
Charles Cazabon wrote: Eric S. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arjan van de Ven [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Aunt Tillie doesn't even know what a kernel is, nor does she want to. I think it's fair to assume that people who configure and compile their own kernel (as opposed to using the distribution

Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up

2001-05-18 Thread Ben Ford
Arjan van de Ven wrote: Eric S. Raymond wrote: an old interface in amber do anything to explore new UI possibilities? kernel != GUI UI != GUI -- One trend that bothers me is the glorification of stupidity, that the media is reassuring people it's alright not to know anything. That to

Re: Wow! Is memory ever cheap!

2001-05-07 Thread Ben Ford
H. Peter Anvin wrote: >Larry McVoy wrote: > >>On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 12:33:57PM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote: >> >>>Larry McVoy wrote: >>> >Because your original post was "yeah, Bitkeeper is a memory hog but you >can get really cheap non-ECC RAM so just stuff your system with crappy

Re: Wow! Is memory ever cheap!

2001-05-07 Thread Ben Ford
H. Peter Anvin wrote: Larry McVoy wrote: On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 12:33:57PM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote: Larry McVoy wrote: Because your original post was yeah, Bitkeeper is a memory hog but you can get really cheap non-ECC RAM so just stuff your system with crappy RAM and be happy. I wasn't

Re: [PATCH] CPU hot swap for 2.4.3 + s390 support

2001-05-06 Thread Ben Ford
Dwayne C. Litzenberger wrote: >Hey, this is cool. > >How far away is the capability to "teleport" processes from one machine to >another over the network? Think of the uptime! > It is here. Look at Mosix. -- I'd rather listen to Newton than to Mundie [MS flunkie who made a speech on the

Re: [PATCH] CPU hot swap for 2.4.3 + s390 support

2001-05-06 Thread Ben Ford
Dwayne C. Litzenberger wrote: Hey, this is cool. How far away is the capability to teleport processes from one machine to another over the network? Think of the uptime! It is here. Look at Mosix. -- I'd rather listen to Newton than to Mundie [MS flunkie who made a speech on the evil-ness

Re: [PATCH] Single user linux

2001-04-25 Thread Ben Ford
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Daniel Stone wrote: > >>Hence, Microsoft Windows. It might not be stable, it might not be fast, it >>might not do RAID, packet-filtering and SQL, but it does a job. A simple >>job. To give Mum & Dad(tm) (with apologies to maddog) a chance to use

Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: [PATCH] Single user linux

2001-04-25 Thread Ben Ford
Tomas Telensky wrote: >But, what I should say to the network security, is that AFAIK in the most >of linux distributions the standard daemons (httpd, sendmail) are run as >root! Having multi-user system or not! Why? For only listening to a port ><1024? Is there any elegant solution? > Yes,

Re: Current status of NTFS support

2001-04-20 Thread Ben Ford
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Where does write support for NTFS stand at the moment? I noticed that it's >still marked "Dangerous" in the kernel configuration. This is important to me >because it looks like I'll have to start using it next week. My office laptop >is going to be "upgraded" from

Re: Current status of NTFS support

2001-04-20 Thread Ben Ford
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where does write support for NTFS stand at the moment? I noticed that it's still marked "Dangerous" in the kernel configuration. This is important to me because it looks like I'll have to start using it next week. My office laptop is going to be "upgraded" from

Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.

2001-04-16 Thread Ben Ford
Randolph Bentson wrote: >On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:45:31PM -0700, Miles Lane wrote: > >>There is one major shortcoming of the recordings. >>Usually, only the comments of the presenter(s) >>can be heard. >> > >I've heard of conferences where a wireless audience >microphone was put inside a Nerf

Re: Let init know user wants to shutdown

2001-04-16 Thread Ben Ford
Simon Richter wrote: >On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Pavel Machek wrote: > >>>Then a more general user space tool could be used that would do policy >>>appropriate stuff, ending with init 0. >>> >>init _is_ the tool which is right for defining policy on such issues. >> >>Take a look how UPS managment is

Re: Let init know user wants to shutdown

2001-04-16 Thread Ben Ford
Simon Richter wrote: On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Pavel Machek wrote: Then a more general user space tool could be used that would do policy appropriate stuff, ending with init 0. init _is_ the tool which is right for defining policy on such issues. Take a look how UPS managment is handled. A power

Re: Kernel 2.5 Workshop RealVideo streams -- next time, please get better audio.

2001-04-16 Thread Ben Ford
Randolph Bentson wrote: On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 05:45:31PM -0700, Miles Lane wrote: There is one major shortcoming of the recordings. Usually, only the comments of the presenter(s) can be heard. I've heard of conferences where a wireless audience microphone was put inside a Nerf ball. It

Re: goodbye

2001-04-08 Thread Ben Ford
john slee wrote: > On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 07:07:20PM -0700, Colonel wrote: > >> Some ISPs rely on crap software & OS to process email, and have other > > > so you don't use those ISPs Some people don't have a choice of ISPs. Some people are lucky if they can even *get* dial-up. -b -

Re: goodbye

2001-04-08 Thread Ben Ford
john slee wrote: On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 07:07:20PM -0700, Colonel wrote: Some ISPs rely on crap software OS to process email, and have other so you don't use those ISPs Some people don't have a choice of ISPs. Some people are lucky if they can even *get* dial-up. -b - To

Re: /proc/config idea

2001-04-03 Thread Ben Ford
J . A . Magallon wrote: > On 04.03 Ben Ford wrote: > >> J . A . Magallon wrote: >> >>> If this has not been done for System.map, that is a much more important >>> info for debug and oops, and the de facto standard is to put it aside >>> kernel

Re: Minor 2.4.3 Adaptec Driver Problems

2001-04-03 Thread Ben Ford
Giuliano Pochini wrote: >> I just got 2.4.3 up a running (on Abit BP6 Dual Celeron ) and >> it reorderd my SCSI id's. Take a look. I don't like that my ZIP drive >> becomes sda because if I ever remove it then I'll @#$% my harddrive dev >> mappings again and have to change them again. Adaptec

Re: /proc/config idea

2001-04-03 Thread Ben Ford
J . A . Magallon wrote: > On 04.03 David Lang wrote: > >> if the distro/sysadmin _always_ installs the kernel the 'right way' then >> the difference isn't nessasarily that large, but if you want reliability >> on any system it may be worth loosing a page or so of memory (hasn't >> someone said

Re: /proc/config idea

2001-04-03 Thread Ben Ford
J . A . Magallon wrote: On 04.03 David Lang wrote: if the distro/sysadmin _always_ installs the kernel the 'right way' then the difference isn't nessasarily that large, but if you want reliability on any system it may be worth loosing a page or so of memory (hasn't someone said that the

Re: Minor 2.4.3 Adaptec Driver Problems

2001-04-03 Thread Ben Ford
Giuliano Pochini wrote: I just got 2.4.3 up a running (on Abit BP6 Dual Celeron ) and it reorderd my SCSI id's. Take a look. I don't like that my ZIP drive becomes sda because if I ever remove it then I'll @#$% my harddrive dev mappings again and have to change them again. Adaptec Driver

Re: /proc/config idea

2001-04-03 Thread Ben Ford
J . A . Magallon wrote: On 04.03 Ben Ford wrote: J . A . Magallon wrote: If this has not been done for System.map, that is a much more important info for debug and oops, and the de facto standard is to put it aside kernel with some standadr naming, lets use the same method for config

[Fwd: [Copyright/Licensing] "Dual-copyright/licensing" of your IP withOUT your permission]

2001-04-02 Thread Ben Ford
What do people think about this? -b Original Message Subject: [Copyright/Licensing] "Dual-copyright/licensing" of your IP withOUT your permission Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 12:39:31 -0400 From: Bryan-TheBS-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Fwd: [Copyright/Licensing] Dual-copyright/licensing of your IP withOUT your permission]

2001-04-02 Thread Ben Ford
What do people think about this? -b Original Message Subject: [Copyright/Licensing] "Dual-copyright/licensing" of your IP withOUT your permission Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 12:39:31 -0400 From: Bryan-TheBS-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: bug database braindump from the kernel summit

2001-04-01 Thread Ben Ford
Why not have the /proc/config option but instead of being plain text, make it binary with a userspace app that can interpret it? It could have a signature as to kernel version + patches and the rest would be just bits. Instead of: CONFIG_X86=y CONFIG_ISA=y # CONFIG_SBUS is not set

Re: New directions for kernel development

2001-04-01 Thread Ben Ford
Chris Meadors wrote: > On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, David Riley wrote: > >> Linus Torvalds wrote: >> >> Uhm, yeah... I don't know who wrote this, but it came from Washington >> state and was written with MS Outlook... Something tells me that this >> April Fool's joke wasn't Linus'. :-) > > >

Re: New directions for kernel development

2001-04-01 Thread Ben Ford
Chris Meadors wrote: On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, David Riley wrote: Linus Torvalds wrote: Uhm, yeah... I don't know who wrote this, but it came from Washington state and was written with MS Outlook... Something tells me that this April Fool's joke wasn't Linus'. :-) Yeah, the quality

Re: bug database braindump from the kernel summit

2001-04-01 Thread Ben Ford
Why not have the /proc/config option but instead of being plain text, make it binary with a userspace app that can interpret it? It could have a signature as to kernel version + patches and the rest would be just bits. Instead of: CONFIG_X86=y CONFIG_ISA=y # CONFIG_SBUS is not set

Re: Disturbing news..

2001-03-28 Thread Ben Ford
Simon Williams wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Olivier Galibert > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >> On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 03:04:46PM +0100, Simon Williams wrote: >> >>> I think their point was that a program could only change permissions >>> of a file that was owned by the same owner.

Re: Disturbing news..

2001-03-28 Thread Ben Ford
Jesse Pollard wrote: > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Shawn Starr wrote: > >> Well, why can't the ELF loader module/kernel detect or have some sort of >> restriction on modifying other/ELF binaries including itself from changing >> the Entry point? >> >> There has to be a way stop this. WHY would anyone

Re: Disturbing news..

2001-03-28 Thread Ben Ford
Jesse Pollard wrote: On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Shawn Starr wrote: Well, why can't the ELF loader module/kernel detect or have some sort of restriction on modifying other/ELF binaries including itself from changing the Entry point? There has to be a way stop this. WHY would anyone want to

Re: Disturbing news..

2001-03-28 Thread Ben Ford
Simon Williams wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Olivier Galibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 03:04:46PM +0100, Simon Williams wrote: I think their point was that a program could only change permissions of a file that was owned by the same owner. If a file is

Re: ATAPI burner and IDE SCSI emulation

2001-03-26 Thread Ben Ford
I believe this has more to do with how the author of cdrecord chose to implement it rather than the kernel. Why don't you speak to him? -b Andreas Franck wrote: > Hello people, > > after having "upgraded" (?) my distro from my wonderfully hand-configured > Debian system (which I

Re: Linux Worm (fwd)

2001-03-26 Thread Ben Ford
What company was it that you worked for? I'm sure we could convince them otherwise . . . . -b Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 10:07:22AM -0500, Richard B. Johnson wrote: > [snip] > >> I have just received notice that my machines will no longer be >> provided access to "The

Re: Linux Worm (fwd)

2001-03-26 Thread Ben Ford
What company was it that you worked for? I'm sure we could convince them otherwise . . . . -b Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 10:07:22AM -0500, Richard B. Johnson wrote: [snip] I have just received notice that my machines will no longer be provided access to "The

Re: ATAPI burner and IDE SCSI emulation

2001-03-26 Thread Ben Ford
I believe this has more to do with how the author of cdrecord chose to implement it rather than the kernel. Why don't you speak to him? -b Andreas Franck wrote: Hello people, after having "upgraded" (?) my distro from my wonderfully hand-configured Debian system (which I unfortunately

[Fwd: Problem with file => 2GB]

2001-03-19 Thread Ben Ford
This is forwarded from the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. I think you guys can answer this question better. Please cc: them in any replies. -b "Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)" wrote: > Hi ppl, > i'm currently involved in the analisys of a compromised linux box. > It was a IBM xSeries server. >

Re: Linux should better cope with power failure

2001-03-19 Thread Ben Ford
> Actually, I think /etc/mtab is not needed at all. Originally, UNIX > used to put as much onto the disk (and not in "core") as possible. > so much state information related only to one boot-cycle was > taken out of kernel and stored on disk. /var/run/utmp, /etc/mtab, > , rmtab, and many

Re: Linux should better cope with power failure

2001-03-19 Thread Ben Ford
Actually, I think /etc/mtab is not needed at all. Originally, UNIX used to put as much onto the disk (and not in "core") as possible. so much state information related only to one boot-cycle was taken out of kernel and stored on disk. /var/run/utmp, /etc/mtab, , rmtab, and many others.

[Fwd: Problem with file = 2GB]

2001-03-19 Thread Ben Ford
This is forwarded from the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. I think you guys can answer this question better. Please cc: them in any replies. -b "Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)" wrote: Hi ppl, i'm currently involved in the analisys of a compromised linux box. It was a IBM xSeries server. I

Re: Linux stifles innovation...

2001-02-17 Thread Ben Ford
> > On the other hand, they make excellent mice. The mouse wheel and > the new optical mice are truly innovative and Microsoft should be > commended for them. > The wheel was a nifty idea, but I've seen workstations 15 years old with optical mice. It wasn't MS's idea. -b - To unsubscribe

Re: [LONG RANT] Re: Linux stifles innovation...

2001-02-17 Thread Ben Ford
Jacob Luna Lundberg wrote: >> Speaking as a Linux _USER_, if this happens, can I get said print >> engine working on my ARM machines with these closed source drivers? >> Can Alpha users get this print system working? Can Sparc uses >> get it working? What? I can't? They can't? Well, its no

Re: [LONG RANT] Re: Linux stifles innovation...

2001-02-17 Thread Ben Ford
Jacob Luna Lundberg wrote: Speaking as a Linux _USER_, if this happens, can I get said print engine working on my ARM machines with these closed source drivers? Can Alpha users get this print system working? Can Sparc uses get it working? What? I can't? They can't? Well, its no good to

Re: Linux stifles innovation...

2001-02-17 Thread Ben Ford
On the other hand, they make excellent mice. The mouse wheel and the new optical mice are truly innovative and Microsoft should be commended for them. The wheel was a nifty idea, but I've seen workstations 15 years old with optical mice. It wasn't MS's idea. -b - To unsubscribe from

Re: test

2001-02-11 Thread Ben Ford
Roger Larsson wrote: > OK, you had to... > > I have not seen any emails from linux-kernel for some days. > Even tried to resubscribe - Majordomo succeeded in sending me the Confirmation > > But nothing... > I must be getting all yours then!! Seriously, something's broke, I am getting

Re: test

2001-02-11 Thread Ben Ford
Roger Larsson wrote: OK, you had to... I have not seen any emails from linux-kernel for some days. Even tried to resubscribe - Majordomo succeeded in sending me the Confirmation But nothing... I must be getting all yours then!! Seriously, something's broke, I am getting duplicates of

Re: Better battery info/status files

2001-02-04 Thread Ben Ford
David Woodhouse wrote: > On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, James Sutherland wrote: > > On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Ben Ford wrote: > > > David Woodhouse wrote: > On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, James Sutherland wrote: > > > For the end-user, the ability to see readings in other units would b

Re: Better battery info/status files

2001-02-04 Thread Ben Ford
David Woodhouse wrote: > On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, James Sutherland wrote: > > > For the end-user, the ability to see readings in other units would be > > useful - how many people on this list work in litres/metres/kilometres, > > and how many in gallons/feet/miles? Probably enough in both groups that

Re: Better battery info/status files

2001-02-04 Thread Ben Ford
David Woodhouse wrote: On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, James Sutherland wrote: For the end-user, the ability to see readings in other units would be useful - how many people on this list work in litres/metres/kilometres, and how many in gallons/feet/miles? Probably enough in both groups that

Re: Better battery info/status files

2001-02-04 Thread Ben Ford
David Woodhouse wrote: On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, James Sutherland wrote: On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, Ben Ford wrote: David Woodhouse wrote: On Sun, 4 Feb 2001, James Sutherland wrote: For the end-user, the ability to see readings in other units would be useful - how many people on this list work

Re: Multiplexing mouse input

2001-01-30 Thread Ben Ford
You are probably talking about an Xfree issue. And yes it can be done. I know several people that do that. Refer to the XFree86 website. -b Dax Kelson wrote: > My laptop has a touchpad builtin with two buttons, I also have an external > PS2 and/or USB mouse (3 buttons with scroll wheel). >

Re: Multiplexing mouse input

2001-01-30 Thread Ben Ford
You are probably talking about an Xfree issue. And yes it can be done. I know several people that do that. Refer to the XFree86 website. -b Dax Kelson wrote: My laptop has a touchpad builtin with two buttons, I also have an external PS2 and/or USB mouse (3 buttons with scroll wheel). I

Re: ECN: Clearing the air (fwd)

2001-01-28 Thread Ben Ford
James Sutherland wrote: > On Sun, 28 Jan 2001, Ben Ford wrote: > > > James Sutherland wrote: > > > > > I'm sure we all know what the IETF is, and where ECN came from. I haven't > > > seen anyone suggesting ignoring RST, either: DM just imagined that, >

Re: ECN: Clearing the air (fwd)

2001-01-28 Thread Ben Ford
James Sutherland wrote: > I'm sure we all know what the IETF is, and where ECN came from. I haven't > seen anyone suggesting ignoring RST, either: DM just imagined that, > AFAICS. > > The one point I would like to make, though, is that firewalls are NOT > "brain-damaged" for blocking ECN:

Re: ECN: Clearing the air (fwd)

2001-01-28 Thread Ben Ford
James Sutherland wrote: I'm sure we all know what the IETF is, and where ECN came from. I haven't seen anyone suggesting ignoring RST, either: DM just imagined that, AFAICS. The one point I would like to make, though, is that firewalls are NOT "brain-damaged" for blocking ECN: according to

Re: ECN: Clearing the air (fwd)

2001-01-28 Thread Ben Ford
James Sutherland wrote: On Sun, 28 Jan 2001, Ben Ford wrote: James Sutherland wrote: I'm sure we all know what the IETF is, and where ECN came from. I haven't seen anyone suggesting ignoring RST, either: DM just imagined that, AFAICS. The one point I would like to make

Re: Total loss with 2.4.0 (release)

2001-01-23 Thread Ben Ford
Mark I Manning IV wrote: > > > > > > > I think that your linux's partition has not been overwritten, but only the MBR > > > > of your disk, so you probably just need to reinstall lilo. Insert your > > > > installation bootdisk into your pc, then skip all the setup stuff, but the > > > > choose

Re: 2.4.1-test10

2001-01-23 Thread Ben Ford
Jeff Garzik wrote: > David Ford wrote: > > > > Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > > > The ChangeLog may not be 100% complete. The physically big things are the > > > PPC and ACPI updates, even if most people won't notice. > > > > > > Linus > > > > > > > > > > > > pre10: > > > -

Re: 2.4.1-test10

2001-01-23 Thread Ben Ford
Jeff Garzik wrote: David Ford wrote: Linus Torvalds wrote: The ChangeLog may not be 100% complete. The physically big things are the PPC and ACPI updates, even if most people won't notice. Linus pre10: - got a few too-new R128 #defines in

Re: Total loss with 2.4.0 (release)

2001-01-23 Thread Ben Ford
Mark I Manning IV wrote: I think that your linux's partition has not been overwritten, but only the MBR of your disk, so you probably just need to reinstall lilo. Insert your installation bootdisk into your pc, then skip all the setup stuff, but the choose of the partition

Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux Kernel ORB: kORBit

2000-12-08 Thread Ben Ford
Chris Lattner wrote: > This email is here to announce the availability of a port of ORBit (the > GNOME ORB) to the Linux kernel. This ORB, named kORBit, is available from > our sourceforge web site (http://korbit.sourceforge.net/). A kernel ORB > allows you to write kernel extensions in CORBA

Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux Kernel ORB: kORBit

2000-12-08 Thread Ben Ford
Chris Lattner wrote: This email is here to announce the availability of a port of ORBit (the GNOME ORB) to the Linux kernel. This ORB, named kORBit, is available from our sourceforge web site (http://korbit.sourceforge.net/). A kernel ORB allows you to write kernel extensions in CORBA and

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Ben Ford
Ya, I also had a system that ran many OS's great, including Linux, Win98, Win2k, etc. However when I went to install NT on it, the CPU overheated every time. Ya, I know, doesn't make sense, but that's how it was. -b John Jasen wrote: > On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Charles Turner, Ph.D. wrote: > > >

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Ben Ford
Tigran Aivazian wrote: > > 3) edit /etc/ftpusers to allow root ftp > > 4) edit /etc/pam.d/login and /etc/pam.d/rlogin to comment out securetty > PAM module (so we can telnet as root on _any_ tty) Not into security are you? -b - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Ben Ford
Tigran Aivazian wrote: snip 3) edit /etc/ftpusers to allow root ftp 4) edit /etc/pam.d/login and /etc/pam.d/rlogin to comment out securetty PAM module (so we can telnet as root on _any_ tty) Not into security are you? -b - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe

Re: Defective Red Hat Distribution poorly represents Linux

2000-11-20 Thread Ben Ford
Ya, I also had a system that ran many OS's great, including Linux, Win98, Win2k, etc. However when I went to install NT on it, the CPU overheated every time. Ya, I know, doesn't make sense, but that's how it was. -b John Jasen wrote: On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Charles Turner, Ph.D. wrote: (4)

Re: BTTV detection broken in 2.4.0-test11-pre5

2000-11-19 Thread Ben Ford
Alexander Viro wrote: > On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, Christer Weinigel wrote: > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: > > >On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, Alexander Viro wrote: > > >> On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, David Lang wrote: > > >> > there is a rootkit kernel module out there that, if loaded onto your > > >>

Re: BTTV detection broken in 2.4.0-test11-pre5

2000-11-19 Thread Ben Ford
Christer Weinigel wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write: > >On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, Alexander Viro wrote: > >> On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, David Lang wrote: > >> > there is a rootkit kernel module out there that, if loaded onto your > >> > system, can make it almost impossible to detect that

Re: BTTV detection broken in 2.4.0-test11-pre5

2000-11-19 Thread Ben Ford
Christer Weinigel wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, Alexander Viro wrote: On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, David Lang wrote: there is a rootkit kernel module out there that, if loaded onto your system, can make it almost impossible to detect that your system has

Re: BTTV detection broken in 2.4.0-test11-pre5

2000-11-19 Thread Ben Ford
Alexander Viro wrote: On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, Christer Weinigel wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, Alexander Viro wrote: On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, David Lang wrote: there is a rootkit kernel module out there that, if loaded onto your system, can make it

Re: test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-17 Thread Ben Ford
Here is lspci output from the laptop in question. Is this not UHCI? [ben@Juanita ben]$ /sbin/lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX - 82443BX/ZX Host bridge (rev 03) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX - 82443BX/ZX AGP bridge (rev 03) 00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel

Re: test11-pre6 still very broken

2000-11-17 Thread Ben Ford
Here is lspci output from the laptop in question. Is this not UHCI? [ben@Juanita ben]$ /sbin/lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX - 82443BX/ZX Host bridge (rev 03) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX - 82443BX/ZX AGP bridge (rev 03) 00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel

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