Re: BSOD

2007-03-20 Thread Jim Gettys
to some sane value, and halt the GPU, and maybe worry about video overlays. - Jim -- Jim Gettys One Laptop Per Child - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More m

Re: BSOD

2007-03-20 Thread Jim Gettys
value, and halt the GPU, and maybe worry about video overlays. - Jim -- Jim Gettys One Laptop Per Child - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http

Re: [linux-pm] [2/6] 2.6.21-rc2: known regressions

2007-03-19 Thread Jim Gettys
processes that are being cooperative. - Jim -- Jim Gettys One Laptop Per Child - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/

Re: BSOD

2007-03-19 Thread Jim Gettys
when the kernel is in this state. > > Mode switching on panic, just say no. :-) > -- Jim Gettys One Laptop Per Child - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/

Re: BSOD

2007-03-19 Thread Jim Gettys
the whole panic message, just the beginning, even with the most simplistic printk implementation. You will not, I repeat, will not be able to mode switch or anything non-trivial like that when the kernel is in this state. Mode switching on panic, just say no. :-) -- Jim Gettys One Laptop

Re: [linux-pm] [2/6] 2.6.21-rc2: known regressions

2007-03-19 Thread Jim Gettys
sometimes at those operation. Remember also, that being nice to everyone else by sleeping, there are more cycles to go around, and the scheduler can nicely boost the X server's priority as it will for interactive processes that are being cooperative. - Jim -- Jim

Re: [linux-pm] [2/6] 2.6.21-rc2: known regressions

2007-03-18 Thread Jim Gettys
s. Of course, in 1996, XFree86 would have ignored any such interfaces, in its insane quest for operating system independent user space drivers requiring no standard kernel interfaces (it is the second part of this where the true insanity lay). - Jim -- J

Re: [linux-pm] [2/6] 2.6.21-rc2: known regressions

2007-03-18 Thread Jim Gettys
, in its insane quest for operating system independent user space drivers requiring no standard kernel interfaces (it is the second part of this where the true insanity lay). - Jim -- Jim Gettys One Laptop Per Child - To unsubscribe from this list: send

Re: State of Linux graphics

2005-09-01 Thread Jim Gettys
Not at all. We're pursuing two courses of action right now, that are not mutually exclusive. Jon Smirl's argument is that we can satisfy both needs simultaneously with a GL only strategy, and that doing two is counter productive, primarily on available resource grounds. My point is that I don't

Re: State of Linux graphics

2005-09-01 Thread Jim Gettys
On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 09:24 -0600, Brian Paul wrote: > > If the blending is for screen-aligned rects, glDrawPixels would be a > far easier path to optimize than texturing. The number of state > combinations related to texturing is pretty overwhelming. > > > Anyway, I think we're all in

Re: State of Linux graphics

2005-09-01 Thread Jim Gettys
On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 09:24 -0600, Brian Paul wrote: If the blending is for screen-aligned rects, glDrawPixels would be a far easier path to optimize than texturing. The number of state combinations related to texturing is pretty overwhelming. Anyway, I think we're all in agreement

Re: State of Linux graphics

2005-09-01 Thread Jim Gettys
Not at all. We're pursuing two courses of action right now, that are not mutually exclusive. Jon Smirl's argument is that we can satisfy both needs simultaneously with a GL only strategy, and that doing two is counter productive, primarily on available resource grounds. My point is that I don't

Re: State of Linux graphics

2005-08-31 Thread Jim Gettys
Well, I'm sure you'll keep us honest... ;-). - Jim On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 12:06 -0700, Allen Akin wrote: > On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 01:48:11PM -0400, Jim Gettys wrote: > | Certainly replicating OpenGL 2.0's programmability through Render makes > | no sense at all to me

Re: State of Linux graphics

2005-08-31 Thread Jim Gettys
Certainly replicating OpenGL 2.0's programmability through Render makes no sense at all to me (or most others, I believe/hope). If you want to use full use of the GPU, I'm happy to say you should be using OpenGL. - Jim On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 23:33 -0700, Allen

Re: State of Linux graphics

2005-08-31 Thread Jim Gettys
Certainly replicating OpenGL 2.0's programmability through Render makes no sense at all to me (or most others, I believe/hope). If you want to use full use of the GPU, I'm happy to say you should be using OpenGL. - Jim On Tue, 2005-08-30 at 23:33 -0700, Allen

Re: State of Linux graphics

2005-08-31 Thread Jim Gettys
Well, I'm sure you'll keep us honest... ;-). - Jim On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 12:06 -0700, Allen Akin wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2005 at 01:48:11PM -0400, Jim Gettys wrote: | Certainly replicating OpenGL 2.0's programmability through Render makes | no sense at all to me (or most others

Re: X15 alpha release: as fast as TUX but in user space (fwd)

2001-04-29 Thread Jim Gettys
ed a long time ago... - Jim -- Jim Gettys Technology and Corporate Development Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at h

Re: #define HZ 1024 -- negative effects?

2001-04-29 Thread Jim Gettys
the matter further - Jim Gettys -- Jim Gettys Technology and Corporate Development Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTE

Re: X15 alpha release: as fast as TUX but in user space (fwd)

2001-04-29 Thread Jim Gettys
g question is should there be general kernel facilities to make this easy (we did it via ugly hacks on VAX and MIPS boxes) for kernel facilities to provide. "X is an exercise in avoiding system calls". I think I said this around 1984-1985. -

Re: X15 alpha release: as fast as TUX but in user space (fwd)

2001-04-29 Thread Jim Gettys
there be general kernel facilities to make this easy (we did it via ugly hacks on VAX and MIPS boxes) for kernel facilities to provide. X is an exercise in avoiding system calls. I think I said this around 1984-1985. - Jim -- Jim Gettys Technology and Corporate

Re: #define HZ 1024 -- negative effects?

2001-04-29 Thread Jim Gettys
further - Jim Gettys -- Jim Gettys Technology and Corporate Development Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info

Re: X15 alpha release: as fast as TUX but in user space (fwd)

2001-04-29 Thread Jim Gettys
-known to everyone except the U.S. patent office that there are no new ideas in computer science. :) Exactly why I noted in my mail that I didn't consider it novel even back then; just a good engineering idea that we went ahead and used a long time ago... - Jim -- Jim Gettys

Re: [PATCH] Single user linux

2001-04-27 Thread Jim Gettys
since. Most of the interesting stuff is in the Wiki. And iPAQ's are not as unobtanium as they once were: we're in really high volume production (>100K/month) but demand still outstrips supply (sigh...). Come join the party... - Jim Gettys > Sender:

Re: [PATCH] Single user linux

2001-04-27 Thread Jim Gettys
since. Most of the interesting stuff is in the Wiki. And iPAQ's are not as unobtanium as they once were: we're in really high volume production (100K/month) but demand still outstrips supply (sigh...). Come join the party... - Jim Gettys Sender: [EMAIL

Re: Subtle MM bug

2001-01-11 Thread Jim Gettys
od idea on most embedded systems. Getting the pages back is a (relatively) cheap operation: no disk seeks, some joules spent on decompression (if on CRAMFS or other compressed file system). There is an interesting question on such devices as to whether you are better off dropping text pages or pages

Re: Subtle MM bug

2001-01-11 Thread Jim Gettys
g question on such devices as to whether you are better off dropping text pages or pages out of the page cache first, or to what degree... - Jim -- Jim Gettys Technology and Corporate Development Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this

Re: Framebuffer orientation

2000-11-21 Thread Jim Gettys
unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ -- Jim Gettys Technology and Corporate Development Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe fr

Re: Framebuffer orientation

2000-11-21 Thread Jim Gettys
he body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ -- Jim Gettys Technology and Corporate Development Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAI

Re: Linux's implementation of poll() not scalable?

2000-10-26 Thread Jim Gettys
calls" - Jim Gettys -- Jim Gettys Technology and Corporate Development Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ a

Re: Linux's implementation of poll() not scalable?

2000-10-26 Thread Jim Gettys
calls" - Jim Gettys -- Jim Gettys Technology and Corporate Development Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ a

Re: [PATCH] VM fix for 2.4.0-test9 & OOM handler

2000-10-09 Thread Jim Gettys
. Most memory usage is less monolithic than the background pixmap. And maintaining separate memory pools often wastes more memory than it saves. > > Netscape could even be hacked to dump old junk... or if it is > just too leaky, it could exec itself to fix the problem. Netscape 4.x is hope

Re: [PATCH] VM fix for 2.4.0-test9 & OOM handler

2000-10-09 Thread Jim Gettys
> From: Linus Torvalds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:50:51 -0700 (PDT) > To: Jim Gettys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andi Kleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Ingo Molnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andrea Arcangel

Re: [PATCH] VM fix for 2.4.0-test9 & OOM handler

2000-10-09 Thread Jim Gettys
umber of DDX's are buggy). - Jim -- Jim Gettys Technology and Corporate Development Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/

Re: [PATCH] VM fix for 2.4.0-test9 & OOM handler

2000-10-09 Thread Jim Gettys
s that it sounded like things could become very interesting with such a facility, and might be ripe for 2.5. Keith, Stephen, Dave, do you remember the details of our discussion? - Jim -- Jim Gettys Technology and Corporate Development Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [PATCH] VM fix for 2.4.0-test9 & OOM handler

2000-10-09 Thread Jim Gettys
ot (it seems there are many programs > which are very good at this particular DOS ;) > This is generic to any server program, not unique to X. Sounds like one needs in addition some mechanism for servers to "charge" clients for consumption. X certainly knows on behalf of which connec

Re: [PATCH] VM fix for 2.4.0-test9 OOM handler

2000-10-09 Thread Jim Gettys
quot;charge" clients for consumption. X certainly knows on behalf of which connection resources are created; the OS could then transfer this back to the appropriate client (at least when on machine). - Jim -- Jim Gettys Technology and Corporate Developmen

Re: [PATCH] VM fix for 2.4.0-test9 OOM handler

2000-10-09 Thread Jim Gettys
with such a facility, and might be ripe for 2.5. Keith, Stephen, Dave, do you remember the details of our discussion? - Jim -- Jim Gettys Technology and Corporate Development Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "

Re: [PATCH] VM fix for 2.4.0-test9 OOM handler

2000-10-09 Thread Jim Gettys
). - Jim -- Jim Gettys Technology and Corporate Development Compaq Computer Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/

Re: [PATCH] VM fix for 2.4.0-test9 OOM handler

2000-10-09 Thread Jim Gettys
From: Linus Torvalds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 14:50:51 -0700 (PDT) To: Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andi Kleen [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ingo Molnar [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andrea Arcangeli [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rik van Riel [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [PATCH] VM fix for 2.4.0-test9 OOM handler

2000-10-09 Thread Jim Gettys
be hacked to dump old junk... or if it is just too leaky, it could exec itself to fix the problem. Netscape 4.x is hopeless; it is leakier than the Titanic. There is hope for Mozilla. - Jim -- Jim Gettys Technology and Corporate Development Compaq Computer Corporat