Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Tony Hoyle
Paul Mundt wrote: > > You always have a choice, work elsewhere. If you're in a position where you're > working with MS products, you were the one who made the decision to do so. > MS is not at fault, claiming so is childish. Nobody chooses to work with MS, they merely take the job that's

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Tony Hoyle
Paul Mundt wrote: You always have a choice, work elsewhere. If you're in a position where you're working with MS products, you were the one who made the decision to do so. MS is not at fault, claiming so is childish. Nobody chooses to work with MS, they merely take the job that's offered.

Re: [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java

2001-06-20 Thread Tony Hoyle
Davide Libenzi wrote: > 1) HW is cheaper than software engineers time Compared to E1000s??? You must be talking about some *really* expensive engineers! > 2) to find Java developers is easier than to find C developers Depends on where you are in the world. It's certainly not true here

Re: [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java

2001-06-20 Thread Tony Hoyle
Davide Libenzi wrote: 1) HW is cheaper than software engineers time Compared to E1000s??? You must be talking about some *really* expensive engineers! 2) to find Java developers is easier than to find C developers Depends on where you are in the world. It's certainly not true here

Re: ECN is on!

2001-05-22 Thread Tony Hoyle
Richard Gooch wrote: > In fact, hopefully he's still in a dark mood, and he may take up the > suggestion to bounce mails of the following type: > - MIME encoded > - HTML encoded > - quoted printables (those stupid "=20" things are particuarly hard to > read). Surely it'd be better to get the

Re: ECN is on!

2001-05-22 Thread Tony Hoyle
Richard Gooch wrote: In fact, hopefully he's still in a dark mood, and he may take up the suggestion to bounce mails of the following type: - MIME encoded - HTML encoded - quoted printables (those stupid =20 things are particuarly hard to read). Surely it'd be better to get the list to

Re: reiserfs, xfs, ext2, ext3

2001-05-11 Thread Tony Hoyle
Matthias Andree wrote: > It's probably not. vs-13048 can usually be rectified (ugly, slow but > usually works on machines even with 256 MB RAM and 1/2 GB swap) by ls > -laR / or treescan -stat /. ls can't access the files either, so I don't see how that could rectify anything. The entire

Re: reiserfs, xfs, ext2, ext3

2001-05-11 Thread Tony Hoyle
Matthias Andree wrote: > You're not getting data loss, but access denied, when hitting > incompatibilities, and it looks like it hits 2.2 hard while 2.4 is less > of a problem. Please search the reiserfs list archives for details. > vs-13048 is a good search term, I believe. Data is lost: Root

Re: reiserfs, xfs, ext2, ext3

2001-05-11 Thread Tony Hoyle
Matthias Andree wrote: You're not getting data loss, but access denied, when hitting incompatibilities, and it looks like it hits 2.2 hard while 2.4 is less of a problem. Please search the reiserfs list archives for details. vs-13048 is a good search term, I believe. Data is lost: Root

Re: reiserfs, xfs, ext2, ext3

2001-05-10 Thread Tony Hoyle
Matthias Andree wrote: > ext3fs has never given me any problems, but I did not have it in > production use where I discovered major ReiserFS <-> kNFSd > incompatibilities. ext3 has a 0.0.x version number which suggests it's > not meant for production use. Hmm... Reiserfs is incompatible with

Re: reiserfs, xfs, ext2, ext3

2001-05-10 Thread Tony Hoyle
Matthias Andree wrote: ext3fs has never given me any problems, but I did not have it in production use where I discovered major ReiserFS - kNFSd incompatibilities. ext3 has a 0.0.x version number which suggests it's not meant for production use. Hmm... Reiserfs is incompatible with knfsd?

RE: just-in-time debugging?

2001-04-28 Thread Tony Hoyle
On 28 Apr 2001 13:44:48 -0700, Davide Libenzi wrote: > Sorry but why don't You run Your application with gdb ? > Once Your program crashes You'll get the prompt and You'll be able to > stack-trace and watching whatever You need. > The solution I use to be able to get inside the program even when

just-in-time debugging?

2001-04-28 Thread Tony Hoyle
Is there a way (kernel or userspace... doesn't matter) that gdb/ddd could be invoked when a program is about to dump core, or perhaps on a certain signal (that the app could deliver to itself when required). The latter case is what I need right now, as I have to debug an app that breaks

Re: kernel panic with 2.4.x and reiserfs

2001-04-27 Thread Tony Hoyle
jason wrote: > Hello, > > As the subject would imply, I've been having problems with 2.4.x. I have > my root partition (/dev/hda1) as reiserfs and also have another harddrive > with a reiserfs partition (/dev/hdc1). Several programs write (e.g. save > files to) /dev/hdc1, and I also store files

Re: kernel panic with 2.4.x and reiserfs

2001-04-27 Thread Tony Hoyle
jason wrote: Hello, As the subject would imply, I've been having problems with 2.4.x. I have my root partition (/dev/hda1) as reiserfs and also have another harddrive with a reiserfs partition (/dev/hdc1). Several programs write (e.g. save files to) /dev/hdc1, and I also store files

Resend - [PATCH] Fix SMP lockup in usbdevfs

2001-04-04 Thread Tony Hoyle
sage Subject: [PATCH] Fix SMP lockup in usbdevfs Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:36:47 +0100 From: Tony Hoyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: Magenta Logic To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This fixes a lockup when calling the USBDEVFS_SUBMITURB ioctl in an SMP kernel. Tony -- D

Resend - [PATCH] Fix SMP lockup in usbdevfs

2001-04-04 Thread Tony Hoyle
Subject: [PATCH] Fix SMP lockup in usbdevfs Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 02:36:47 +0100 From: Tony Hoyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Magenta Logic To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This fixes a lockup when calling the USBDEVFS_SUBMITURB ioctl in an SMP kernel. Tony -- Don't click

Re: How to debug an oops?

2001-03-29 Thread Tony Hoyle
Sorry, came across a bit strong on that message. It's 2am and I'm tired. Stupid thing is I fixed the bug... Tony -- Don't click on this sig - a cyberwoozle will eat your underwear. [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.nothing-on.tv - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe

[PATCH] Fix SMP lockup in usbdevfs

2001-03-29 Thread Tony Hoyle
This fixes a lockup when calling the USBDEVFS_SUBMITURB ioctl in an SMP kernel. Tony -- Don't click on this sig - a cyberwoozle will eat your underwear. [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.nothing-on.tv --- devio.c.old Fri Mar 30 02:22:32 2001 +++ devio.c Fri Mar 30 02:12:09 2001 @@

How to debug an oops?

2001-03-29 Thread Tony Hoyle
Nobody seems interested in the spinlock bugs in usb so I'm trying to track it down myself. I have a copy of an oops (posted earlier) but it doesn't give the line number of the error, so it's impossible to find out where it's failing. Will kdb be any help? Is it a source debugger or just a

How to debug an oops?

2001-03-29 Thread Tony Hoyle
Nobody seems interested in the spinlock bugs in usb so I'm trying to track it down myself. I have a copy of an oops (posted earlier) but it doesn't give the line number of the error, so it's impossible to find out where it's failing. Will kdb be any help? Is it a source debugger or just a

[PATCH] Fix SMP lockup in usbdevfs

2001-03-29 Thread Tony Hoyle
This fixes a lockup when calling the USBDEVFS_SUBMITURB ioctl in an SMP kernel. Tony -- Don't click on this sig - a cyberwoozle will eat your underwear. [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.nothing-on.tv --- devio.c.old Fri Mar 30 02:22:32 2001 +++ devio.c Fri Mar 30 02:12:09 2001 @@

Re: How to debug an oops?

2001-03-29 Thread Tony Hoyle
Sorry, came across a bit strong on that message. It's 2am and I'm tired. Stupid thing is I fixed the bug... Tony -- Don't click on this sig - a cyberwoozle will eat your underwear. [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.nothing-on.tv - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe

Re: Repeatable lockup on SMP w/usbprocfs

2001-03-28 Thread Tony Hoyle
I've enabled spinlock debugging, and generated a nice oops... The USB system is definately doing something wrong somewhere. Tony -- Don't click on this sig - a cyberwoozle will eat your underwear. [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.nothing-on.tv ksymoops 2.3.7 on i686 2.4.2-ac26.

Repeatable lockup on SMP w/usbprocfs

2001-03-28 Thread Tony Hoyle
If an application calls the USBDEVFS_SUBMITURB ioctl to submit a read, when the async completion routine is called, the kernel goes into a hard deadlock (no response to ping, etc.). I've narrowed it down to the async_completed routine in usb.c. That's the only place where spinlocks are

Repeatable lockup on SMP w/usbprocfs

2001-03-28 Thread Tony Hoyle
If an application calls the USBDEVFS_SUBMITURB ioctl to submit a read, when the async completion routine is called, the kernel goes into a hard deadlock (no response to ping, etc.). I've narrowed it down to the async_completed routine in usb.c. That's the only place where spinlocks are

Re: Repeatable lockup on SMP w/usbprocfs

2001-03-28 Thread Tony Hoyle
I've enabled spinlock debugging, and generated a nice oops... The USB system is definately doing something wrong somewhere. Tony -- Don't click on this sig - a cyberwoozle will eat your underwear. [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.nothing-on.tv ksymoops 2.3.7 on i686 2.4.2-ac26.

Re: "Unable to load intepreter" on login - 2.2.14-5.0

2001-02-12 Thread Tony Hoyle
Paul Tweedy wrote: > Secondly, to get the thing running I'm assuming I can copy a working login > binary from an identical server, so I can get in & change the passwords and > sort the security out? ...and what if the 'cp' binary has been hacked to stop you doing just that? What if 'passwd'

Re: Unable to load intepreter on login - 2.2.14-5.0

2001-02-12 Thread Tony Hoyle
Paul Tweedy wrote: Secondly, to get the thing running I'm assuming I can copy a working login binary from an identical server, so I can get in change the passwords and sort the security out? ...and what if the 'cp' binary has been hacked to stop you doing just that? What if 'passwd' is

Re: spelling of disc (disk) in /devfs

2001-02-10 Thread Tony Hoyle
Dr. Kelsey Hudson wrote: > It had always been my assumption that non-optical storage media used the > 'disk' spelling, whereas optical media, such as CDs, DVDs, and MO, were > reffered to using the 'disc' spelling. I can remember having this argument back in the days of the BBC Micro. The BBC

Re: ACPI slowdown...

2001-02-07 Thread Tony Hoyle
Grover, Andrew wrote: > Since you have a symtomatic system, if you're willing to do some testing to > either prove or disprove your theory (that entering C2/C3 interrupts enabled > helps things) I would greatly appreciate it. Leaving interrupts enabled does help a little, but the machine is

Re: ACPI slowdown...

2001-02-07 Thread Tony Hoyle
Tony Hoyle wrote: I'm talking to myself :-) OK I see that safe_halt() will re-enable interrupts. However this is only called in S1. If your machine gets as far as S3 you have... for (;;) { unsigned long time; unsigned long diff

ACPI slowdown...

2001-02-07 Thread Tony Hoyle
I've been trying to track down what makes ACPI kill the system in 2.4.1. In the acpi_idle function (drivers/acpi/cpu.c), it seems to spend most of its time with interrupts disabled, only enabling them to check need_resched occasionally. In the 'sleep1' state the following code is executed:

ACPI slowdown...

2001-02-07 Thread Tony Hoyle
I've been trying to track down what makes ACPI kill the system in 2.4.1. In the acpi_idle function (drivers/acpi/cpu.c), it seems to spend most of its time with interrupts disabled, only enabling them to check need_resched occasionally. In the 'sleep1' state the following code is executed:

Re: ACPI slowdown...

2001-02-07 Thread Tony Hoyle
Tony Hoyle wrote: I'm talking to myself :-) OK I see that safe_halt() will re-enable interrupts. However this is only called in S1. If your machine gets as far as S3 you have... for (;;) { unsigned long time; unsigned long diff

Re: ACPI slowdown...

2001-02-07 Thread Tony Hoyle
Grover, Andrew wrote: Since you have a symtomatic system, if you're willing to do some testing to either prove or disprove your theory (that entering C2/C3 interrupts enabled helps things) I would greatly appreciate it. Leaving interrupts enabled does help a little, but the machine is still

ACPI broken in 2.4.1

2001-02-04 Thread Tony Hoyle
In my wifes' machine 2.4.1 (both vanilla and -ac2) enabling ACPI causes the machine to run so slowly it's unusable. On my machine it's OK. 2.4.0 worked fine, so something has changed between 2.4.0 and 2.4.1 that broke it. I couldn't find anything in dmesg that looked any different, though.

Re: hotmail not dealing with ECN

2001-01-26 Thread Tony Hoyle
Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: > > So you also turn of PMTU and just set the MTU to 200 bytes because broken > firewalls may drop ICMP ? That doesn't affect huge numbers of websites. In the UK two of the largest ISPs - BT Internet and Freeserve - have ECN-blocking firewalls. So does

Re: hotmail not dealing with ECN

2001-01-26 Thread Tony Hoyle
Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: So you also turn of PMTU and just set the MTU to 200 bytes because broken firewalls may drop ICMP ? That doesn't affect huge numbers of websites. In the UK two of the largest ISPs - BT Internet and Freeserve - have ECN-blocking firewalls. So does theregister.co.uk

Re: TEST13-PRE7 - Nvidia Kernel Module Compile Problem

2000-12-31 Thread Tony Hoyle
Tony Spinillo wrote: > > The nvidia kernel module (from www.nvidia.com) has compiled and loaded > correctly with all test13-pre series up to pre6. I just tried to > compile and load under pre7. I'm intrigued... how did you resolve the 'mem_map_inc_count' and 'mem_map_dec_count',

Re: tdfx.o and -test13

2000-12-31 Thread Tony Hoyle
Alan Cox wrote: > > I see modversions.h being included properly on the command line Me too.. make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux/drivers/char/drm' gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe

Re: tdfx.o and -test13

2000-12-31 Thread Tony Hoyle
Alan Cox wrote: > > > Possibly something in the auto-dependencies? Unfortunately I don't have > > the info files for gcc so > > I can't work out why the '-include' directive would be > > overridden/ignored. > > Im wondering if it is make dependant. It seems to be working here Well I'm on:

Re: tdfx.o and -test13

2000-12-31 Thread Tony Hoyle
Tony Hoyle wrote: > modversions.h is being included in the 'gcc' line, however something is > overriding it > in the case of the agpsupport.c file. If you move the include > to > the top of agpsupport.c it also works correctly. OK ignore the above putting it in agpsupp

Re: tdfx.o and -test13

2000-12-31 Thread Tony Hoyle
Alan Cox wrote: > Wrong patch. Modversions.h should be getting automatically included. That > is what needs fixing. You've nicely located the problem and fixed the symptoms > for the module versioned case > modversions.h is being included in the 'gcc' line, however something is overriding it in

Re: tdfx.o and -test13

2000-12-31 Thread Tony Hoyle
Alan Cox wrote: Wrong patch. Modversions.h should be getting automatically included. That is what needs fixing. You've nicely located the problem and fixed the symptoms for the module versioned case modversions.h is being included in the 'gcc' line, however something is overriding it in the

Re: tdfx.o and -test13

2000-12-31 Thread Tony Hoyle
Tony Hoyle wrote: modversions.h is being included in the 'gcc' line, however something is overriding it in the case of the agpsupport.c file. If you move the include linux/modversions.h to the top of agpsupport.c it also works correctly. OK ignore the above putting it in agpsupport

Re: tdfx.o and -test13

2000-12-31 Thread Tony Hoyle
Alan Cox wrote: Possibly something in the auto-dependencies? Unfortunately I don't have the info files for gcc so I can't work out why the '-include' directive would be overridden/ignored. Im wondering if it is make dependant. It seems to be working here Well I'm on: make 3.79.1

Re: tdfx.o and -test13

2000-12-31 Thread Tony Hoyle
Alan Cox wrote: I see modversions.h being included properly on the command line Me too.. make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux/drivers/char/drm' gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe

Re: TEST13-PRE7 - Nvidia Kernel Module Compile Problem

2000-12-31 Thread Tony Hoyle
Tony Spinillo wrote: The nvidia kernel module (from www.nvidia.com) has compiled and loaded correctly with all test13-pre series up to pre6. I just tried to compile and load under pre7. I'm intrigued... how did you resolve the 'mem_map_inc_count' and 'mem_map_dec_count', 'put_module_symbol'

Re: test13-preX: DRM (tdfx.o) unresolved symbols fixed?

2000-12-28 Thread Tony Hoyle
Dieter Nützel wrote: > > Am Mittwoch, 27. Dezember 2000 11:07 schrieb Nils Philippsen: > > Hi all, > > > > On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, Dieter [iso-8859-1] Nützel wrote: > > > I got this since test13-pre1 (pre4, now): > > > > > > SunWave1>depmod -e > > > depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in > > >

Re: test13-preX: DRM (tdfx.o) unresolved symbols fixed?

2000-12-28 Thread Tony Hoyle
Dieter Nützel wrote: Am Mittwoch, 27. Dezember 2000 11:07 schrieb Nils Philippsen: Hi all, On Wed, 27 Dec 2000, Dieter [iso-8859-1] Nützel wrote: I got this since test13-pre1 (pre4, now): SunWave1depmod -e depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in

Re: 2.4.0-test7: umount + mount = same directory (CD)

2000-08-31 Thread Tony Hoyle
Eugene Crosser wrote: > > The problem that I reported for -test6 is still here: > I have a mounted CD. "ls -l /mount/point" shows its directory. > If I do umount /mount/point, replace CD with another one > and mount on the same point (I did not try different mount point), > "ls -l" shows the