Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-23 Thread Eric Wong
Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: > On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 09:30:33AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote: > > > I think the bulk of user issues are going to be regressions. Although > > > you may be in a better position to know for sure, but at least for > > > me, wearing my "user" hat, the thing that gets

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-23 Thread Konstantin Ryabitsev
On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 09:30:33AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote: > > I think the bulk of user issues are going to be regressions. Although > > you may be in a better position to know for sure, but at least for > > me, wearing my "user" hat, the thing that gets me the most is > > upgrading to a new

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-23 Thread Thorsten Leemhuis
On 23.03.21 16:01, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: > On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 at 04:58, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >>> If we can >>> actually get users to *read* it, I think it's going to save kernel >>> developers a huge amount of time and frustration. >> And users hopefully as well. But yes, making them

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-23 Thread Thorsten Leemhuis
On 23.03.21 19:11, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 09:57:57AM +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >> On 22.03.21 22:56, Theodore Ts'o wrote: >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 08:25:15PM +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: I agree to the last point and yeah, maybe regressions are the more

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-23 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 09:57:57AM +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > On 22.03.21 22:56, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 08:25:15PM +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > >> I agree to the last point and yeah, maybe regressions are the more > >> important problem we should work on – at

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-23 Thread James Bottomley
On Tue, 2021-03-23 at 12:20 -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote: > On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 20:25:15 +0100 > Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > > I agree to the last point and yeah, maybe regressions are the more > > important problem we should work on – at least from the perspective > > of kernel development.

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-23 Thread Konstantin Ryabitsev
On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 at 04:58, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > If we can > > actually get users to *read* it, I think it's going to save kernel > > developers a huge amount of time and frustration. > > And users hopefully as well. But yes, making them read it is the > problem. :-/ I've added a very

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-23 Thread Luis Chamberlain
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 1:25 PM Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > > > On 22.03.21 19:32, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 8:18 AM Thorsten Leemhuis > > wrote: > >> > >> I even requested a > >> "linux-regressi...@vger.kernel.org" a while later, but didn't hear > >> anything back;

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-23 Thread Thorsten Leemhuis
On 22.03.21 22:56, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 08:25:15PM +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >> I agree to the last point and yeah, maybe regressions are the more >> important problem we should work on – at least from the perspective of >> kernel development. But from the users

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-22 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 08:25:15PM +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > I agree to the last point and yeah, maybe regressions are the more > important problem we should work on – at least from the perspective of > kernel development. But from the users perspective (and > reporting-issues.rst is

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-22 Thread Thorsten Leemhuis
On 22.03.21 17:55, Lukas Bulwahn wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 4:38 PM Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: >> Lo! I want to provide users with an easier way to search our multitude >> of mailing lists for reports about issues (aka bugs), as reporting the >> same kernel problem multiple times has known

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-22 Thread James Bottomley
On Mon, 2021-03-22 at 13:16 -0400, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 04:18:14PM +0100, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > Note, there is a second reason why ksummit-discuss is CCed: another > > reason why I want to create this new list is making it easier to > > find and track

Re: [Ksummit-discuss] RFC: create mailing list "linux-issues" focussed on issues/bugs and regressions

2021-03-22 Thread Lukas Bulwahn
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 4:38 PM Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > > > Lo! I want to provide users with an easier way to search our multitude > of mailing lists for reports about issues (aka bugs), as reporting the > same kernel problem multiple times has known downsides for everyone > involved. That's