On 09/08/07, Greg KH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 01:03:39AM +0200, Jesper Juhl wrote:
> > >
> > I think the only way to avoid it is to not provide something like UIO.
>
> Problem is, things like UIO provide a real solution for a wide range of
> different types of devices.
Am Donnerstag 09 August 2007 16:12 schrieb Alan Cox:
> > That's no UIO invention. Userspace software that uses kernel interfaces like
> > syscall, device files, sysfs, and so on, is by definition _not_ a derived
> > work
> > of the kernel and can be distributed under any license.
>
> This I belie
> That's no UIO invention. Userspace software that uses kernel interfaces like
> syscall, device files, sysfs, and so on, is by definition _not_ a derived work
> of the kernel and can be distributed under any license.
This I believe incorrect. Please cite caselaw if you know better.
> With UIO, y
O> I disagree. UIO is a documented kernel<->userspace interface, like sysfs
> or proc. Using your argument, we would also have to say that a userspace
> software that is unusable without sysfs is a derived work of the kernel.
> But IANAL, tell me if I missed an important point.
It depends how clos
Am Donnerstag 09 August 2007 00:12 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>
> If you have UIO in the kernel talking to stuff in userspace, you're going to
> have to deal with closed-source stuff at the userspace end of the pipe.
That's no UIO invention. Userspace software that uses kernel interfaces like
sy
Am Donnerstag 09 August 2007 01:40 schrieb Alan Cox:
> > On the other hand, given that we've always said that closed-source stuff in
> > userspace is OK, the only way to not let *that* horse out of the barn is to
> > not merge UIO at all.
>
> It really makes no difference whether it is merged or n
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 01:03:39AM +0200, Jesper Juhl wrote:
> >
> I think the only way to avoid it is to not provide something like UIO.
Problem is, things like UIO provide a real solution for a wide range of
different types of devices. Like the one provided in the kernel right
now, and a bunch
Am Mittwoch 08 August 2007 23:36 schrieb Jesper Juhl:
> On 19/07/2007, Greg Kroah-Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > From: Hans J. Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > Documentation for the UIO interface
> >
> ...
> > +If you use UIO for your card's driver, here's what you get:
> > +
> ...
> > +
>
> On the other hand, given that we've always said that closed-source stuff in
> userspace is OK, the only way to not let *that* horse out of the barn is to
> not merge UIO at all.
It really makes no difference whether it is merged or not. The test is
"derivative work" and not 'linking'.
A user s
On 09/08/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:36:00 +0200, Jesper Juhl said:
>
> > Do we really want this?
> >
> > In my oppinion we run the risk here of encouraging behaviour akin to
> > what NVidia is doing - release a small kernel "glue" module and then
> >
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:36:00 +0200, Jesper Juhl said:
> Do we really want this?
>
> In my oppinion we run the risk here of encouraging behaviour akin to
> what NVidia is doing - release a small kernel "glue" module and then
> keep the driver proper in a binary blob (in userspace, but still a
> bi
On 19/07/2007, Greg Kroah-Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Hans J. Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Documentation for the UIO interface
>
...
> +If you use UIO for your card's driver, here's what you get:
> +
...
> +
> + if you need to keep some parts of your driver closed source,
> +
From: Hans J. Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Documentation for the UIO interface
From: Hans J. Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Documentation/DocBook/kernel-api.tmpl |4 +
Documentation/DocBook/uio-howto.tmpl | 611 +++
From: Hans J. Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Documentation for the UIO interface
From: Hans J. Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Documentation/DocBook/kernel-api.tmpl |4 +
Documentation/DocBook/uio-howto.tmpl | 611 +++
Am Montag 07 Mai 2007 19:46 schrieb Randy Dunlap:
> On Fri, 4 May 2007 11:37:09 +0200 Hans-Jürgen Koch wrote:
>
> > Am Donnerstag 03 Mai 2007 08:39 schrieb Hans-Jürgen Koch:
> > > >
> > > > Hm, I have about 3 different patches here now, all dependant on each
> > > > other, yet I can't tell which
On Fri, 4 May 2007 11:37:09 +0200 Hans-Jürgen Koch wrote:
> Am Donnerstag 03 Mai 2007 08:39 schrieb Hans-Jürgen Koch:
> > >
> > > Hm, I have about 3 different patches here now, all dependant on each
> > > other, yet I can't tell which goes first :(
> > >
> > > Can someone just send me 1, or 3 wi
Am Donnerstag 03 Mai 2007 08:39 schrieb Hans-Jürgen Koch:
> >
> > Hm, I have about 3 different patches here now, all dependant on each
> > other, yet I can't tell which goes first :(
> >
> > Can someone just send me 1, or 3 with the correct order in which to
> > apply them?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
Am Donnerstag 03 Mai 2007 07:37 schrieb Greg KH:
> On Wed, May 02, 2007 at 04:37:34PM -0700, Randy Dunlap wrote:
> > On Thu, 3 May 2007 00:00:28 +0200 Hans-J?rgen Koch wrote:
> >
> > > Am Mittwoch 02 Mai 2007 schrieb Randy Dunlap:
> > > > On Wed, 2 May 2007 10:41:35 +0200 Hans-J?rgen Koch wrote:
>
On Wed, May 02, 2007 at 04:37:34PM -0700, Randy Dunlap wrote:
> On Thu, 3 May 2007 00:00:28 +0200 Hans-J?rgen Koch wrote:
>
> > Am Mittwoch 02 Mai 2007 schrieb Randy Dunlap:
> > > On Wed, 2 May 2007 10:41:35 +0200 Hans-J?rgen Koch wrote:
> > > > Am Mittwoch 02 Mai 2007 01:42 schrieb Randy Dunlap:
On Thu, 3 May 2007 00:00:28 +0200 Hans-Jürgen Koch wrote:
> Am Mittwoch 02 Mai 2007 schrieb Randy Dunlap:
> > On Wed, 2 May 2007 10:41:35 +0200 Hans-Jürgen Koch wrote:
> > > Am Mittwoch 02 Mai 2007 01:42 schrieb Randy Dunlap:
> > > > > +The Userspace I/O HOWTO
> > > >
> > > > Most of this reads we
Am Mittwoch 02 Mai 2007 schrieb Randy Dunlap:
> On Wed, 2 May 2007 10:41:35 +0200 Hans-Jürgen Koch wrote:
> > Am Mittwoch 02 Mai 2007 01:42 schrieb Randy Dunlap:
> > > > +The Userspace I/O HOWTO
> > >
> > > Most of this reads well. Thanks.
> > > A few typo corrections are below...
> >
> > Thank yo
On Wed, 2 May 2007 10:41:35 +0200 Hans-Jürgen Koch wrote:
> Am Mittwoch 02 Mai 2007 01:42 schrieb Randy Dunlap:
>
> > > +The Userspace I/O HOWTO
> >
> > Most of this reads well. Thanks.
> > A few typo corrections are below...
>
> Thank you for your work. I generated a new patch that includes a
Am Mittwoch 02 Mai 2007 01:42 schrieb Randy Dunlap:
> > +The Userspace I/O HOWTO
>
> Most of this reads well. Thanks.
> A few typo corrections are below...
Thank you for your work. I generated a new patch that includes all your
suggestions and also fixes the build problems.
[...]
>
> However
On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:50:57 -0700 Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> From: Hans J. Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Documentation for the UIO interface
>
> From: Hans J. Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> ---
> Documentation/DocBook/kernel-api.tmpl |4 +
From: Hans J. Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Documentation for the UIO interface
From: Hans J. Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Documentation/DocBook/kernel-api.tmpl |4 +
Documentation/DocBook/uio-howto.tmpl | 498 +++
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