Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

2007-08-23 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:05:21 -0400ve a bit more direct ability to make > An SPI-like or Debian-like approach with pure democracy might look > good on paper, but when you have companies donating hundreds of > thousands of dollars and up to the organization, having a board which > is elected by mobs

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

2007-08-23 Thread Theodore Tso
On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 10:49:57PM -0500, James Bottomley wrote: > Then you're misconstruing the interactions. A representational role > would imply the ability to speak for the community and make promises on > its behalf. That, as Ted has already said, can't happen. Instead, the > value to the

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

2007-08-23 Thread Theodore Tso
On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 10:49:57PM -0500, James Bottomley wrote: Then you're misconstruing the interactions. A representational role would imply the ability to speak for the community and make promises on its behalf. That, as Ted has already said, can't happen. Instead, the value to the LF

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

2007-08-23 Thread Arjan van de Ven
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:05:21 -0400ve a bit more direct ability to make An SPI-like or Debian-like approach with pure democracy might look good on paper, but when you have companies donating hundreds of thousands of dollars and up to the organization, having a board which is elected by mobs of

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

2007-08-22 Thread James Bottomley
On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 19:45 -0700, James Morris wrote: > On Wed, 22 Aug 2007, Theodore Tso wrote: > > > community. This was especially true the first year before the TAB was > > elected; but even after we held an election at last year's KS, I think > > it's fair to say that while we try to

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

2007-08-22 Thread James Morris
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007, Theodore Tso wrote: > community. This was especially true the first year before the TAB was > elected; but even after we held an election at last year's KS, I think > it's fair to say that while we try to advise the OSDL and now the LF > with what the community would like,

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

2007-08-22 Thread Theodore Tso
On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 05:14:26PM -0500, James Bottomley wrote: > It's really just a represent the community type of role. The LF uses > the TAB to get a sense of the community for various things they and > their members are thinking. Conversely, the TAB was initially formed to > get a set of

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

2007-08-22 Thread James Bottomley
On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 16:47 -0700, James Morris wrote: > On Wed, 22 Aug 2007, James Bottomley wrote: > > > The procedure is to read statements before the election in a BOF at the > > Kernel Summit, so the order is statements first then voting. > > Just to clarify, are sponsor delegates and KS

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

2007-08-22 Thread James Morris
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007, James Bottomley wrote: > The procedure is to read statements before the election in a BOF at the > Kernel Summit, so the order is statements first then voting. Just to clarify, are sponsor delegates and KS committee members entitled to vote? - James -- James Morris

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

2007-08-22 Thread James Bottomley
On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 17:58 -0400, Dave Jones wrote: > On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 04:43:58PM -0500, James Bottomley wrote: > > > > The elections for five of the ten members of the Linux Foundation > > > > Technical Advisory Board[TAB] are held every year, currently the > > > > election will be

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

2007-08-22 Thread Dave Jones
On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 04:43:58PM -0500, James Bottomley wrote: > > > The elections for five of the ten members of the Linux Foundation > > > Technical Advisory Board[TAB] are held every year, currently the > > > election will be at the 2007 Kernel Summit in a BOF session. > > > > > >

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

2007-08-22 Thread James Bottomley
On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 14:38 -0700, Randy Dunlap wrote: > On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:33:58 -0700 Chris Wright wrote: > > > * Dave Jones ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > I have a reservation about voting for any of the above. > > > Normally during any process involving votes, there exists some sort > >

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

2007-08-22 Thread James Bottomley
On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 17:22 -0400, Dave Jones wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 10:22:59AM -0500, James Bottomley wrote: > > The elections for five of the ten members of the Linux Foundation > > Technical Advisory Board[TAB] are held every year, currently the > > election will be at the

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

2007-08-22 Thread Randy Dunlap
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:33:58 -0700 Chris Wright wrote: > * Dave Jones ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > I have a reservation about voting for any of the above. > > Normally during any process involving votes, there exists some sort > > of "why you should vote for me" type statement. Does such a

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

2007-08-22 Thread Chris Wright
* Dave Jones ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > I have a reservation about voting for any of the above. > Normally during any process involving votes, there exists some sort > of "why you should vote for me" type statement. Does such a thing > exist for this process ? Last year each nominee made a

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

2007-08-22 Thread Chris Wright
* Dave Jones ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I have a reservation about voting for any of the above. Normally during any process involving votes, there exists some sort of why you should vote for me type statement. Does such a thing exist for this process ? Last year each nominee made a statement

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

2007-08-22 Thread Randy Dunlap
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:33:58 -0700 Chris Wright wrote: * Dave Jones ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I have a reservation about voting for any of the above. Normally during any process involving votes, there exists some sort of why you should vote for me type statement. Does such a thing

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

2007-08-22 Thread James Bottomley
On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 17:22 -0400, Dave Jones wrote: removed [EMAIL PROTECTED] as its subscriber only On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 10:22:59AM -0500, James Bottomley wrote: The elections for five of the ten members of the Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board[TAB] are held every year,

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

2007-08-22 Thread James Bottomley
On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 14:38 -0700, Randy Dunlap wrote: On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:33:58 -0700 Chris Wright wrote: * Dave Jones ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I have a reservation about voting for any of the above. Normally during any process involving votes, there exists some sort of why you

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

2007-08-22 Thread Dave Jones
On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 04:43:58PM -0500, James Bottomley wrote: The elections for five of the ten members of the Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board[TAB] are held every year, currently the election will be at the 2007 Kernel Summit in a BOF session. Anyone is

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

2007-08-22 Thread James Bottomley
On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 17:58 -0400, Dave Jones wrote: On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 04:43:58PM -0500, James Bottomley wrote: The elections for five of the ten members of the Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board[TAB] are held every year, currently the election will be at the 2007

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

2007-08-22 Thread James Morris
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007, James Bottomley wrote: The procedure is to read statements before the election in a BOF at the Kernel Summit, so the order is statements first then voting. Just to clarify, are sponsor delegates and KS committee members entitled to vote? - James -- James Morris [EMAIL

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

2007-08-22 Thread James Bottomley
On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 16:47 -0700, James Morris wrote: On Wed, 22 Aug 2007, James Bottomley wrote: The procedure is to read statements before the election in a BOF at the Kernel Summit, so the order is statements first then voting. Just to clarify, are sponsor delegates and KS committee

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

2007-08-22 Thread Theodore Tso
On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 05:14:26PM -0500, James Bottomley wrote: It's really just a represent the community type of role. The LF uses the TAB to get a sense of the community for various things they and their members are thinking. Conversely, the TAB was initially formed to get a set of

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

2007-08-22 Thread James Morris
On Wed, 22 Aug 2007, Theodore Tso wrote: community. This was especially true the first year before the TAB was elected; but even after we held an election at last year's KS, I think it's fair to say that while we try to advise the OSDL and now the LF with what the community would like, the

Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections

2007-08-22 Thread James Bottomley
On Wed, 2007-08-22 at 19:45 -0700, James Morris wrote: On Wed, 22 Aug 2007, Theodore Tso wrote: community. This was especially true the first year before the TAB was elected; but even after we held an election at last year's KS, I think it's fair to say that while we try to advise the