Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
Hello gentlemen and ladies.
As a Linux user for many years now (regulars user, not a programmer), I want
to congratulated you all for the great work you all have done in making Linux
widely supported and compatible with a lot of hardware. Recently, I was on a
search to
On Sun, Jun 24, 2007 at 12:02:22AM +0200, Carlo Wood wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 04:46:08PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > Now if you want really innovative OS work go look in the lab or at
> > projects most people have never heard of and don't run.
>
> Hey, I heard of one. I got a few friends th
Jan Engelhardt wrote:
> On Jun 25 2007 09:37, Randy Dunlap wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:15:50 +0200 (CEST) Jan Engelhardt wrote:
>>> On Jun 25 2007 11:12, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
It is also quite likely the reply was written before reading the other
comments. With the volume on lkml,
On Jun 25 2007 09:37, Randy Dunlap wrote:
>On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:15:50 +0200 (CEST) Jan Engelhardt wrote:
>> On Jun 25 2007 11:12, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
>> >
>> >It is also quite likely the reply was written before reading the other
>> >comments. With the volume on lkml, reading all comments i
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:15:50 +0200 (CEST) Jan Engelhardt wrote:
>
> On Jun 25 2007 11:12, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> >
> >It is also quite likely the reply was written before reading the other
> >comments. With the volume on lkml, reading all comments in a thread
> >before writing any replies is
On Jun 25 2007 11:12, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
>
>It is also quite likely the reply was written before reading the other
>comments. With the volume on lkml, reading all comments in a thread
>before writing any replies is just not possible.
Perhaps the list needs to be split up, e.g. [EMAIL PROTEC
On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 08:15:33PM +0200, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
> On Saturday 23 June 2007 19:53, you wrote:
> > On Sat, 2007-06-23 at 14:17 +0200, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> > > Please CC me as I'm not subscribe to this mailing list,
> >
> > Perhaps you should change that and find mos
On 6/24/07, Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:13:55 -0600
"David Kane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The real innotation in Linux is that it is open source and yet popular
> enough that there are versions that even a windoze user could easily pick
> up.
I think that is m
Alan Cox writes:
[...]
>
> A few innovations that afaik first appeared the Linux kernel
> - Making multiple hosts appear transparently as one IP address
> - Futex fast hybrid locking
DEC Firefly workstation, before 1987.
Nikita.
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Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
On Saturday 23 June 2007 21:18, you wrote:
There's a lot in Linux that was true innnovation:
Alan Cox's Networking Architecture.
VFS Architecture (best one out there -- even better than M$'s)
Scheduler Design.
Jeff
Thanks Jeff, so from reading all the responses here I
On 23/06/07, Grozdan Nikolov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Saturday 23 June 2007 20:54, jimmy bahuleyan wrote:
[snip]
> I'm not a kernel developer myself, but i think there are lots of
> resources on the internet where you can read watered down versions of
> discussions happening on this list.
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 16:13:55 -0600
"David Kane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The real innotation in Linux is that it is open source and yet popular
> enough that there are versions that even a windoze user could easily pick
> up.
I think that is more a product of its time than the software. It is
The real innotation in Linux is that it is open source and yet popular
enough that there are versions that even a windoze user could easily pick
up.
David Kane
On 6/23/07, Carlo Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 04:46:08PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> Now if you want really in
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 22:02:29 +0100
Al Viro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 08:23:43PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > Proc type stuff is a lot older than Linux or Unix AFAIK. Loadable modules
> > ditto but the full load/unload/autoload stuff I've not seen pre-Linux.
>
> Representa
On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 04:46:08PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> Now if you want really innovative OS work go look in the lab or at
> projects most people have never heard of and don't run.
Hey, I heard of one. I got a few friends that are sitting
in an IRC channel and have been working on a complete n
On Sat, Jun 23, 2007 at 08:23:43PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> Proc type stuff is a lot older than Linux or Unix AFAIK. Loadable modules
> ditto but the full load/unload/autoload stuff I've not seen pre-Linux.
Representation of process state and control of that state via files on
a filesystem? AFAIK
> >- hotplugging
>
> Was not Windows 95 first here?
Hotplug for specialised systems at least is 1950's
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:19:43 +0200
Grozdan Nikolov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 23 June 2007 18:12, you wrote:
> > On Saturday 23 June 2007, Alan Cox wrote:
> > > A few innovations that afaik first appeared the Linux kernel
> > > - Making multiple hosts appear transparently as one IP a
On Saturday 23 June 2007 20:54, you wrote:
> Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
> > On Saturday 23 June 2007 19:53, you wrote:
> >> On Sat, 2007-06-23 at 14:17 +0200, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
> >> [...]
> >>
> >>> Please CC me as I'm not subscribe to this mailing list,
> >>
> >> Perhaps you should change that an
Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
> On Saturday 23 June 2007 19:53, you wrote:
>> On Sat, 2007-06-23 at 14:17 +0200, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>>> Please CC me as I'm not subscribe to this mailing list,
>> Perhaps you should change that and find most answers for yourself.
>>
>>> Thanks!
>> Thanks!
>>
On Saturday 23 June 2007 21:18, you wrote:
> There's a lot in Linux that was true innnovation:
>
> Alan Cox's Networking Architecture.
> VFS Architecture (best one out there -- even better than M$'s)
> Scheduler Design.
>
> Jeff
Thanks Jeff, so from reading all the responses here I can conclude th
>
> then what is this? Provocation is _standard_ troll tactics.
>
> Why don't you try being innovative yourself?
Because I've seen many times how people outside the kernel community get
ignored or even labled as trolls when asking something, so I thought that
provocation in this case could be b
On Saturday 23 June 2007 19:53, you wrote:
> On Sat, 2007-06-23 at 14:17 +0200, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
> [...]
>
> > Please CC me as I'm not subscribe to this mailing list,
>
> Perhaps you should change that and find most answers for yourself.
>
> > Thanks!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bernd
Perhaps you
On Jun 23 2007 18:12, Torsten Duwe wrote:
>On Saturday 23 June 2007, Alan Cox wrote:
>
>> A few innovations that afaik first appeared the Linux kernel
>> - Making multiple hosts appear transparently as one IP address
>> - Futex fast hybrid locking
>> - Single pass checksum fragment and send fragme
>
> Grozdan Nikolov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hello gentlemen and ladies.
> >
> > As a Linux user for many years now (regulars user, not a programmer), I
> > want
>
> Please do not feed the trolls, thank you
Absolutely. We had almost 900+ not-so-productive mails on
another thread recently .
There's a lot in Linux that was true innnovation:
Alan Cox's Networking Architecture.
VFS Architecture (best one out there -- even better than M$'s)
Scheduler Design.
Jeff
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El Sat, 23 Jun 2007 23:00:42 +0530, jimmy bahuleyan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> building upon or improving existing technology is as important as
> inventing new things. if every one insisted on dreaming up new things, i
> doubt we would've accomplished anything significant (not just in OS,
>
On Sat, 2007-06-23 at 14:17 +0200, Grozdan Nikolov wrote:
[...]
> Please CC me as I'm not subscribe to this mailing list,
Perhaps you should change that and find most answers for yourself.
> Thanks!
Thanks!
Bernd
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> "AC" == Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
AC> A few innovations that afaik first appeared the Linux kernel
The clone() call and the efficient 1:1 threading it brought was
definitely innovative. None of the other Unices had anything similar.
splice() is innovative as well, even though it
Alan Cox wrote:
>
> I'd argue the lack of a stable kernel internal API is also an innovation
>
Give me a break Alan; you are smarter than that!
Arguing the validity of a stable Kernel internal API is as ridiculous as
arguing the validity of the paperclip.
The paperclip allows you to attach thin
Torsten Duwe wrote:
> On Saturday 23 June 2007, you wrote:
>
>> hmm, wasn't loadable kernel modules first implemented in SunOS 4.x [...]
> Yes, but that was pretty cumbersome. You had to resolve the symbols in user
> space, using a hopefully matching /vmunix. Linux was first to feature an
> in-k
> hmm, wasn't loadable kernel modules first implemented in SunOS 4.x [...]
Yes, but that was pretty cumbersome. You had to resolve the symbols in user
space, using a hopefully matching /vmunix. Linux was first to feature an
in-kernel linker and symbol table, IIRC.
Err, uh, no- I believe that
On Saturday 23 June 2007, you wrote:
> hmm, wasn't loadable kernel modules first implemented in SunOS 4.x [...]
Yes, but that was pretty cumbersome. You had to resolve the symbols in user
space, using a hopefully matching /vmunix. Linux was first to feature an
in-kernel linker and symbol table,
On Saturday 23 June 2007 18:12, you wrote:
> On Saturday 23 June 2007, Alan Cox wrote:
> > A few innovations that afaik first appeared the Linux kernel
> > - Making multiple hosts appear transparently as one IP address
> > - Futex fast hybrid locking
> > - Single pass checksum fragment and send fra
On Saturday 23 June 2007, Alan Cox wrote:
> A few innovations that afaik first appeared the Linux kernel
> - Making multiple hosts appear transparently as one IP address
> - Futex fast hybrid locking
> - Single pass checksum fragment and send fragments in reverse order
> - Reiserfs - very innovati
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:22:26 +0200
Grozdan Nikolov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 23 June 2007 16:43, you wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:17:15 +0200
> >
> > Grozdan Nikolov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hello gentlemen and ladies.
> > >
> > > As a Linux user for many years now (reg
On Saturday 23 June 2007 16:43, you wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:17:15 +0200
>
> Grozdan Nikolov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hello gentlemen and ladies.
> >
> > As a Linux user for many years now (regulars user, not a programmer), I
> > want
>
> Please do not feed the trolls, thank you
heh,
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:17:15 +0200
Grozdan Nikolov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello gentlemen and ladies.
>
> As a Linux user for many years now (regulars user, not a programmer), I want
Please do not feed the trolls, thank you
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Hello gentlemen and ladies.
As a Linux user for many years now (regulars user, not a programmer), I want
to congratulated you all for the great work you all have done in making Linux
widely supported and compatible with a lot of hardware. Recently, I was on a
search to see how the Linux kernel
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