Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-09-01 Thread Chip Salzenberg
According to Bill Rugolsky Jr.: > On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 12:05:03PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > Right now Im not happy with the nfsv3 stuff I last looked at and > > it seems to still contain things Linus rejected a while back. > > Alan, would you please describe in a few words what items are >

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-09-01 Thread Mr. James W. Laferriere
Hello Alan (& Others) , How about describing what it breaks ? I know that invoking the God Linus's name can just get people to back down . So I ask for myself as well as others ... what , where , when , why , who .Hth , JimL On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Alan Cox

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-09-01 Thread Bill Rugolsky Jr.
On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 12:05:03PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > People would appreciate lots of things but stability happens to come first. > Thats why its primarily focussed on driver stuff not on revamping the > internals. Right now Im not happy with the nfsv3 stuff I last looked at and > it seems

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-09-01 Thread Horst von Brand
David Lang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > attention everyone, > > the assumption that people who use raid or nfs always use a patched kernel > is not true. > > in many cases it is not trivial to find the newest patches and tools to go > with them (documentation limitations) and in other cases the

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-09-01 Thread Paul Jakma
On 1 Sep 2000, Matthias Andree wrote: > Does including knfsd v3 break v2? Is not NFS v3 a compile-time option? I > would not object if it was tagged "EXPERIMENTAL". it is. asui the NFS patches are bugfixes/improvements on the existing stock V2 knfsd, and the feature add v3 is pretty much

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-09-01 Thread Paul Jakma
On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Alan Cox wrote: > I'd love to have raid 0.90, nfsv3 and the new ide stuff in but I > cannot see a path for that without breaking a supposedly stable > product for other people which is simply not acceptable. > raid i can understand considering it's a 'no way back' thing.

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-09-01 Thread David Lang
there is a reason to upgrade. David Lang On 1 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Date: 1 Sep 2000 12:21:58 GMT > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1 > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Andi Kleen <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-09-01 Thread Matthias Andree
Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > People would appreciate lots of things but stability happens to come first. > Thats why its primarily focussed on driver stuff not on revamping the > internals. Right now Im not happy with the nfsv3 stuff I last looked at and > it seems to still contain

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-09-01 Thread Henning P. Schmiedehausen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Andree) writes: >Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Since 2.2.17 isnt out yet I've released 2.2.18pre1 versus 2.2.17pre20. So >> you need to grab 2.2.16 then apply the 2.2.17pre20 patch then the 2.2.18pre >> patch of choice. >Well, I'm asking again, as usual,

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-09-01 Thread Alan Cox
> One day I hope you'll explain to us why this is not 2.2.17pre21... > Either you are sure pre20 is going to be the official 2.2.17, > or I'm missing something. The 2.2.18pre1 changes are higher risk problems to fix. 2.2.17pre20 is extremely solid. Its probably the most solid 2.2 kernel so far

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-09-01 Thread Andi Kleen
On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 12:05:03PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > > Since 2.2.17 isnt out yet I've released 2.2.18pre1 versus 2.2.17pre20. So > > > you need to grab 2.2.16 then apply the 2.2.17pre20 patch then the 2.2.18pre > > > patch of choice. > > > > Well, I'm asking again, as usual, are you

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-09-01 Thread Marco Colombo
On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Alan Cox wrote: > > Since 2.2.17 isnt out yet I've released 2.2.18pre1 versus 2.2.17pre20. So > you need to grab 2.2.16 then apply the 2.2.17pre20 patch then the 2.2.18pre > patch of choice. One day I hope you'll explain to us why this is not 2.2.17pre21... Either you are

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-09-01 Thread Alan Cox
> > Since 2.2.17 isnt out yet I've released 2.2.18pre1 versus 2.2.17pre20. So > > you need to grab 2.2.16 then apply the 2.2.17pre20 patch then the 2.2.18pre > > patch of choice. > > Well, I'm asking again, as usual, are you planning to integrate > kernel-space NFSv3? I'd appreciate if you did.

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-09-01 Thread Alan Cox
Since 2.2.17 isnt out yet I've released 2.2.18pre1 versus 2.2.17pre20. So you need to grab 2.2.16 then apply the 2.2.17pre20 patch then the 2.2.18pre patch of choice. Well, I'm asking again, as usual, are you planning to integrate kernel-space NFSv3? I'd appreciate if you did. People

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-09-01 Thread Marco Colombo
On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, Alan Cox wrote: Since 2.2.17 isnt out yet I've released 2.2.18pre1 versus 2.2.17pre20. So you need to grab 2.2.16 then apply the 2.2.17pre20 patch then the 2.2.18pre patch of choice. One day I hope you'll explain to us why this is not 2.2.17pre21... Either you are

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-09-01 Thread Alan Cox
One day I hope you'll explain to us why this is not 2.2.17pre21... Either you are sure pre20 is going to be the official 2.2.17, or I'm missing something. The 2.2.18pre1 changes are higher risk problems to fix. 2.2.17pre20 is extremely solid. Its probably the most solid 2.2 kernel so far

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-09-01 Thread Henning P. Schmiedehausen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Andree) writes: Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since 2.2.17 isnt out yet I've released 2.2.18pre1 versus 2.2.17pre20. So you need to grab 2.2.16 then apply the 2.2.17pre20 patch then the 2.2.18pre patch of choice. Well, I'm asking again, as usual, are you

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-09-01 Thread Matthias Andree
Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: People would appreciate lots of things but stability happens to come first. Thats why its primarily focussed on driver stuff not on revamping the internals. Right now Im not happy with the nfsv3 stuff I last looked at and it seems to still contain things

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-09-01 Thread Bill Rugolsky Jr.
On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 12:05:03PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: People would appreciate lots of things but stability happens to come first. Thats why its primarily focussed on driver stuff not on revamping the internals. Right now Im not happy with the nfsv3 stuff I last looked at and it seems to

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-09-01 Thread Mr. James W. Laferriere
Hello Alan ( Others) , How about describing what it breaks ? I know that invoking the God Linus's name can just get people to back down . So I ask for myself as well as others ... what , where , when , why , who .Hth , JimL On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Alan Cox

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-09-01 Thread Chip Salzenberg
According to Bill Rugolsky Jr.: On Fri, Sep 01, 2000 at 12:05:03PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: Right now Im not happy with the nfsv3 stuff I last looked at and it seems to still contain things Linus rejected a while back. Alan, would you please describe in a few words what items are

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-08-31 Thread Matthias Andree
Paul Jakma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > will old tools work with kernel+nfs patches? i think the fear and > main argument against updating NFS in linux 2.2 is that people will > be forced to update their tools. You'd need a pretty recent util-linux package (mount in particular) to actually

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-08-31 Thread Paul Jakma
On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Neil Brown wrote: > What incompatible tools??? > > Any nfs-utils that work with vanilla 2.2.16 will work just fine with > patched 2.2.16. They may not access any new functionality, but there > ARE NO INCOMPATIBILITIES (that I know of, and I am quute close to the > game). >

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-08-31 Thread Neil Brown
On Friday September 1, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > 2: incompatible tools: those who follow a dist are already using > incompatible tools anyway, and can either stay with their dist or get > the neccessary tools themselves (nfs-utils is available in RPM and > deb anyway!). those who follow the

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-08-31 Thread Paul Jakma
On 1 Sep 2000, Matthias Andree wrote: > Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, I'm asking again, as usual, are you planning to integrate > kernel-space NFSv3? I'd appreciate if you did. yes please. 0: The new NFS patches work so so much better than vanilla linux nfs. 1: due to (0) most

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-08-31 Thread Matthias Andree
Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Since 2.2.17 isnt out yet I've released 2.2.18pre1 versus 2.2.17pre20. So > you need to grab 2.2.16 then apply the 2.2.17pre20 patch then the 2.2.18pre > patch of choice. Well, I'm asking again, as usual, are you planning to integrate kernel-space NFSv3?

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-08-31 Thread Daniel Roesen
On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 11:54:06PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > o Merge the microcode driver from 2.4 into 2.2(Tigran Aivazian) Just to let people know: This doesn't compile as it has devfs stuff left in it. Fix is in the works... Best regards, Daniel - To unsubscribe from this list: send

Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-08-31 Thread Alan Cox
Since 2.2.17 isnt out yet I've released 2.2.18pre1 versus 2.2.17pre20. So you need to grab 2.2.16 then apply the 2.2.17pre20 patch then the 2.2.18pre patch of choice. 2.2.18pre1 (versus 2.2.17pre20) o Update symbios/ncr driver to 1.7.0/3.4.0(Gerhard Roudier) o Updated

Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-08-31 Thread Alan Cox
Since 2.2.17 isnt out yet I've released 2.2.18pre1 versus 2.2.17pre20. So you need to grab 2.2.16 then apply the 2.2.17pre20 patch then the 2.2.18pre patch of choice. 2.2.18pre1 (versus 2.2.17pre20) o Update symbios/ncr driver to 1.7.0/3.4.0(Gerhard Roudier) o Updated

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-08-31 Thread Matthias Andree
Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since 2.2.17 isnt out yet I've released 2.2.18pre1 versus 2.2.17pre20. So you need to grab 2.2.16 then apply the 2.2.17pre20 patch then the 2.2.18pre patch of choice. Well, I'm asking again, as usual, are you planning to integrate kernel-space NFSv3? I'd

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-08-31 Thread Paul Jakma
On 1 Sep 2000, Matthias Andree wrote: Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I'm asking again, as usual, are you planning to integrate kernel-space NFSv3? I'd appreciate if you did. yes please. 0: The new NFS patches work so so much better than vanilla linux nfs. 1: due to (0) most

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-08-31 Thread Neil Brown
On Friday September 1, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2: incompatible tools: those who follow a dist are already using incompatible tools anyway, and can either stay with their dist or get the neccessary tools themselves (nfs-utils is available in RPM and deb anyway!). those who follow the stock

Re: Linux 2.2.18pre1

2000-08-31 Thread Paul Jakma
On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, Neil Brown wrote: What incompatible tools??? Any nfs-utils that work with vanilla 2.2.16 will work just fine with patched 2.2.16. They may not access any new functionality, but there ARE NO INCOMPATIBILITIES (that I know of, and I am quute close to the game). i