Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-24 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Followup to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> By author:Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel > > Do I have something fubar in the usb? Or is this just the nature of > the beast? > USB pretty much is fubar. It's a horrible protocol on pretty much every level including the

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-24 Thread David Ford
use a minimum resolution until you detect motion then switch to high resolution. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-24 Thread David Ford
use a minimum resolution until you detect motion then switch to high resolution. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-24 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Followup to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] By author:Gene Heskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel Do I have something fubar in the usb? Or is this just the nature of the beast? USB pretty much is fubar. It's a horrible protocol on pretty much every level including the physical

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-23 Thread Bill Davidsen
Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings; Motherboard is a biostar with nforce2 chipset, 2800xp cpu, gig of ram. I've recently made the observation that while I can view 30fps video from my firewire equipt movie camera with a minimal cpu hit of 2-3%, but viewing the video from a webcam on a usb 1.1 circuit

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-23 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Paulo Marques wrote: > Matt Mackall wrote: > > [...] > > JPEG data is DCT of 8x8 pixel chunks. If you can get at that, you can > > compare the DC terms of each chunk with minimal decoding. Various > > thumbnailers do this for speed already. > > I really doubt that this would

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-23 Thread Paulo Marques
Matt Mackall wrote: [...] JPEG data is DCT of 8x8 pixel chunks. If you can get at that, you can compare the DC terms of each chunk with minimal decoding. Various thumbnailers do this for speed already. I really doubt that this would work. It seems to me that you can have very different DC terms

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-23 Thread Paulo Marques
Matt Mackall wrote: [...] JPEG data is DCT of 8x8 pixel chunks. If you can get at that, you can compare the DC terms of each chunk with minimal decoding. Various thumbnailers do this for speed already. I really doubt that this would work. It seems to me that you can have very different DC terms

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-23 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Paulo Marques wrote: Matt Mackall wrote: [...] JPEG data is DCT of 8x8 pixel chunks. If you can get at that, you can compare the DC terms of each chunk with minimal decoding. Various thumbnailers do this for speed already. I really doubt that this would work. It

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-23 Thread Bill Davidsen
Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings; Motherboard is a biostar with nforce2 chipset, 2800xp cpu, gig of ram. I've recently made the observation that while I can view 30fps video from my firewire equipt movie camera with a minimal cpu hit of 2-3%, but viewing the video from a webcam on a usb 1.1 circuit

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-22 Thread Matt Mackall
On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 05:08:27PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 21 February 2005 13:29, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > >Previously Gene Heskett wrote: > >> Thats what I was afraid of, which makes using it for a motion > >> detected burgular alarm source considerably less than practical > >>

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 22 February 2005 03:53, Barry K. Nathan wrote: >Is your USB 1.1 controller UHCI or OHCI? If it's UHCI, perhaps you > could try an OHCI controller (e.g. some USB PCI cards) and see if > that makes any difference. (I remember reading something about OHCI > being more efficient than UHCI

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-22 Thread Barry K. Nathan
On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 12:16:35PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > Greetings; > > Motherboard is a biostar with nforce2 chipset, 2800xp cpu, gig of ram. > > I've recently made the observation that while I can view 30fps video > from my firewire equipt movie camera with a minimal cpu hit of 2-3%,

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-22 Thread Barry K. Nathan
On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 12:16:35PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings; Motherboard is a biostar with nforce2 chipset, 2800xp cpu, gig of ram. I've recently made the observation that while I can view 30fps video from my firewire equipt movie camera with a minimal cpu hit of 2-3%, but

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 22 February 2005 03:53, Barry K. Nathan wrote: Is your USB 1.1 controller UHCI or OHCI? If it's UHCI, perhaps you could try an OHCI controller (e.g. some USB PCI cards) and see if that makes any difference. (I remember reading something about OHCI being more efficient than UHCI in

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-22 Thread Matt Mackall
On Mon, Feb 21, 2005 at 05:08:27PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 21 February 2005 13:29, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Gene Heskett wrote: Thats what I was afraid of, which makes using it for a motion detected burgular alarm source considerably less than practical since the

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 21 February 2005 13:29, Wichert Akkerman wrote: >Previously Gene Heskett wrote: >> Thats what I was afraid of, which makes using it for a motion >> detected burgular alarm source considerably less than practical >> since the machine must be able to do other things too. > >Dependin on the

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-21 Thread Paulo Marques
Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 21 February 2005 12:58, Oliver Neukum wrote: [...] A video stream over usb1.1 must be compressed due to bandwidth available. Decompression needs cpu. Thats what I was afraid of, which makes using it for a motion detected burgular alarm source considerably less than

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-21 Thread Oliver Neukum
Am Montag, 21. Februar 2005 19:25 schrieb Gene Heskett: > Thats what I was afraid of, which makes using it for a motion detected > burgular alarm source considerably less than practical since the > machine must be able to do other things too.  Darn.  And its usb1.1 > even when plugged into a

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-21 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Gene Heskett wrote: > Thats what I was afraid of, which makes using it for a motion detected > burgular alarm source considerably less than practical since the > machine must be able to do other things too. Dependin on the type of compression used you might be able to detect motion

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 21 February 2005 12:58, Oliver Neukum wrote: >Am Montag, 21. Februar 2005 18:16 schrieb Gene Heskett: >> Greetings; >> >> Motherboard is a biostar with nforce2 chipset, 2800xp cpu, gig of >> ram. >> >> I've recently made the observation that while I can view 30fps >> video from my

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-21 Thread Oliver Neukum
Am Montag, 21. Februar 2005 18:16 schrieb Gene Heskett: > Greetings; > > Motherboard is a biostar with nforce2 chipset, 2800xp cpu, gig of ram. > > I've recently made the observation that while I can view 30fps video > from my firewire equipt movie camera with a minimal cpu hit of 2-3%, > but

OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-21 Thread Gene Heskett
Greetings; Motherboard is a biostar with nforce2 chipset, 2800xp cpu, gig of ram. I've recently made the observation that while I can view 30fps video from my firewire equipt movie camera with a minimal cpu hit of 2-3%, but viewing the video from a webcam on a usb 1.1 circuit takes 30-40% of

OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-21 Thread Gene Heskett
Greetings; Motherboard is a biostar with nforce2 chipset, 2800xp cpu, gig of ram. I've recently made the observation that while I can view 30fps video from my firewire equipt movie camera with a minimal cpu hit of 2-3%, but viewing the video from a webcam on a usb 1.1 circuit takes 30-40% of

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-21 Thread Oliver Neukum
Am Montag, 21. Februar 2005 18:16 schrieb Gene Heskett: Greetings; Motherboard is a biostar with nforce2 chipset, 2800xp cpu, gig of ram. I've recently made the observation that while I can view 30fps video from my firewire equipt movie camera with a minimal cpu hit of 2-3%, but viewing

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 21 February 2005 12:58, Oliver Neukum wrote: Am Montag, 21. Februar 2005 18:16 schrieb Gene Heskett: Greetings; Motherboard is a biostar with nforce2 chipset, 2800xp cpu, gig of ram. I've recently made the observation that while I can view 30fps video from my firewire equipt movie

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-21 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Gene Heskett wrote: Thats what I was afraid of, which makes using it for a motion detected burgular alarm source considerably less than practical since the machine must be able to do other things too. Dependin on the type of compression used you might be able to detect motion by

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-21 Thread Oliver Neukum
Am Montag, 21. Februar 2005 19:25 schrieb Gene Heskett: Thats what I was afraid of, which makes using it for a motion detected burgular alarm source considerably less than practical since the machine must be able to do other things too. Darn. And its usb1.1 even when plugged into a 2.0

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-21 Thread Paulo Marques
Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 21 February 2005 12:58, Oliver Neukum wrote: [...] A video stream over usb1.1 must be compressed due to bandwidth available. Decompression needs cpu. Thats what I was afraid of, which makes using it for a motion detected burgular alarm source considerably less than

Re: OT: Why is usb data many times the cpu hog that firewire is?

2005-02-21 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 21 February 2005 13:29, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Previously Gene Heskett wrote: Thats what I was afraid of, which makes using it for a motion detected burgular alarm source considerably less than practical since the machine must be able to do other things too. Dependin on the type of