Re: [PATCH] scsi_error: Fix language abuse.

2008-02-11 Thread Benny Halevy
Seriously, can't you just add a disclaimer to the README file? In http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/2/9/29, Luben Tuikov made an interesting point that in many cases "illegal" refers to a valid value that violates the specification, so the term "invalid" may be technically incorrect. Benny On Feb. 11,

Re: [PATCH] scsi_error: Fix language abuse.

2008-02-11 Thread linux-os (Dick Johnson)
On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Mark Hounschell wrote: > linux-os (Dick Johnson) wrote: >> >> The correct word should be "invalid," in spite of >> the fact that the SCSI committee used invalid syntax. >> >> Alan is right. There is nothing illegal in the kernel >> and if there is, it must be removed as soon

Re: [PATCH] scsi_error: Fix language abuse.

2008-02-11 Thread linux-os (Dick Johnson)
On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Mark Hounschell wrote: linux-os (Dick Johnson) wrote: The correct word should be invalid, in spite of the fact that the SCSI committee used invalid syntax. Alan is right. There is nothing illegal in the kernel and if there is, it must be removed as soon as it is

Re: [PATCH] scsi_error: Fix language abuse.

2008-02-11 Thread Benny Halevy
Seriously, can't you just add a disclaimer to the README file? In http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/2/9/29, Luben Tuikov made an interesting point that in many cases illegal refers to a valid value that violates the specification, so the term invalid may be technically incorrect. Benny On Feb. 11,

Re: [PATCH] scsi_error: Fix language abuse.

2008-02-10 Thread Matthew Wilcox
On Sat, Feb 09, 2008 at 01:50:20PM +, Alan Cox wrote: > On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:32:54 -0500 Douglas Gilbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Alan Cox wrote: > > > The word "illegal" has a precise dictionary meaning of "prohibited by > > > law". > > > > Also "contrary to or forbidden by official

Re: [PATCH] scsi_error: Fix language abuse.

2008-02-10 Thread Douglas Gilbert
Alan Cox wrote: On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:32:54 -0500 Douglas Gilbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Alan Cox wrote: The word "illegal" has a precise dictionary meaning of "prohibited by law". Also "contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc". The OED I have here doesn't seem

Re: [PATCH] scsi_error: Fix language abuse.

2008-02-10 Thread Douglas Gilbert
Alan Cox wrote: On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:32:54 -0500 Douglas Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Cox wrote: The word illegal has a precise dictionary meaning of prohibited by law. Also contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc. The OED I have here doesn't seem to think

Re: [PATCH] scsi_error: Fix language abuse.

2008-02-10 Thread Matthew Wilcox
On Sat, Feb 09, 2008 at 01:50:20PM +, Alan Cox wrote: On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:32:54 -0500 Douglas Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Cox wrote: The word illegal has a precise dictionary meaning of prohibited by law. Also contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations,

Re: [PATCH] scsi_error: Fix language abuse.

2008-02-09 Thread Alan Cox
On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:32:54 -0500 Douglas Gilbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alan Cox wrote: > > The word "illegal" has a precise dictionary meaning of "prohibited by > > law". > > Also "contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc". The OED I have here doesn't seem to think

Re: [PATCH] scsi_error: Fix language abuse.

2008-02-09 Thread Luben Tuikov
--- On Fri, 2/8/08, Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The word "illegal" has a precise dictionary > meaning of "prohibited by > law". The error messages are therefore incorrect as so > far nobody has > made SCSI violations a criminal offence. > > This corrects scsi to match various other

Re: [PATCH] scsi_error: Fix language abuse.

2008-02-09 Thread Luben Tuikov
--- On Fri, 2/8/08, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The word illegal has a precise dictionary meaning of prohibited by law. The error messages are therefore incorrect as so far nobody has made SCSI violations a criminal offence. This corrects scsi to match various other subsystems I've

Re: [PATCH] scsi_error: Fix language abuse.

2008-02-09 Thread Alan Cox
On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:32:54 -0500 Douglas Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Cox wrote: The word illegal has a precise dictionary meaning of prohibited by law. Also contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc. The OED I have here doesn't seem to think so, however if

Re: [PATCH] scsi_error: Fix language abuse.

2008-02-08 Thread Douglas Gilbert
Alan Cox wrote: The word "illegal" has a precise dictionary meaning of "prohibited by law". Also "contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc". So word meanings are like standards, there are so many to choose from. The error messages are therefore incorrect as so far nobody

Re: [PATCH] scsi_error: Fix language abuse.

2008-02-08 Thread James Bottomley
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 15:59 +, Alan Cox wrote: > > http://www.t10.org/ftp/t10/drafts/spc3/spc3r23.pdf > > > > By a simple text search. > > > > I don't think the pedantry is worth the confusion ... > > Ok so we should file a formal change request with T10 instead perhaps ? As long as that

Re: [PATCH] scsi_error: Fix language abuse.

2008-02-08 Thread Mark Hounschell
linux-os (Dick Johnson) wrote: > > The correct word should be "invalid," in spite of > the fact that the SCSI committee used invalid syntax. > > Alan is right. There is nothing illegal in the kernel > and if there is, it must be removed as soon as it > is discovered! > il·le·gal (-lgl) adj.

Re: [PATCH] scsi_error: Fix language abuse.

2008-02-08 Thread Alan Cox
> http://www.t10.org/ftp/t10/drafts/spc3/spc3r23.pdf > > By a simple text search. > > I don't think the pedantry is worth the confusion ... Ok so we should file a formal change request with T10 instead perhaps ? Alan -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in

Re: [PATCH] scsi_error: Fix language abuse.

2008-02-08 Thread linux-os (Dick Johnson)
The correct word should be "invalid," in spite of the fact that the SCSI committee used invalid syntax. Alan is right. There is nothing illegal in the kernel and if there is, it must be removed as soon as it is discovered! On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, James Bottomley wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-02-08 at

Re: [PATCH] scsi_error: Fix language abuse.

2008-02-08 Thread James Bottomley
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 15:32 +, Alan Cox wrote: > The word "illegal" has a precise dictionary meaning of "prohibited by > law". The error messages are therefore incorrect as so far nobody has > made SCSI violations a criminal offence. Um, I'm really reluctant to do this without an incredibly

Re: [PATCH] scsi_error: Fix language abuse.

2008-02-08 Thread Douglas Gilbert
Alan Cox wrote: The word illegal has a precise dictionary meaning of prohibited by law. Also contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc. So word meanings are like standards, there are so many to choose from. The error messages are therefore incorrect as so far nobody has

Re: [PATCH] scsi_error: Fix language abuse.

2008-02-08 Thread Mark Hounschell
linux-os (Dick Johnson) wrote: The correct word should be invalid, in spite of the fact that the SCSI committee used invalid syntax. Alan is right. There is nothing illegal in the kernel and if there is, it must be removed as soon as it is discovered! il·le·gal (-lgl) adj. 1.

Re: [PATCH] scsi_error: Fix language abuse.

2008-02-08 Thread Alan Cox
http://www.t10.org/ftp/t10/drafts/spc3/spc3r23.pdf By a simple text search. I don't think the pedantry is worth the confusion ... Ok so we should file a formal change request with T10 instead perhaps ? Alan -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the

Re: [PATCH] scsi_error: Fix language abuse.

2008-02-08 Thread James Bottomley
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 15:32 +, Alan Cox wrote: The word illegal has a precise dictionary meaning of prohibited by law. The error messages are therefore incorrect as so far nobody has made SCSI violations a criminal offence. Um, I'm really reluctant to do this without an incredibly good

Re: [PATCH] scsi_error: Fix language abuse.

2008-02-08 Thread linux-os (Dick Johnson)
The correct word should be invalid, in spite of the fact that the SCSI committee used invalid syntax. Alan is right. There is nothing illegal in the kernel and if there is, it must be removed as soon as it is discovered! On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, James Bottomley wrote: On Fri, 2008-02-08 at

Re: [PATCH] scsi_error: Fix language abuse.

2008-02-08 Thread James Bottomley
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 15:59 +, Alan Cox wrote: http://www.t10.org/ftp/t10/drafts/spc3/spc3r23.pdf By a simple text search. I don't think the pedantry is worth the confusion ... Ok so we should file a formal change request with T10 instead perhaps ? As long as that we is royal,