Re: [ck] Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?

2007-03-18 Thread jos poortvliet
Op Sunday 18 March 2007, schreef Mike Galbraith: > On Sat, 2007-03-17 at 21:13 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: > > Now for something constructive... by any chance is Mike running KDE > > instead of GNOME? > > Yes. > > -Mike Well, then, it might indeed be the KIOslave/pipe stuff. I experience

Re: [ck] Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?

2007-03-18 Thread Avi Kivity
Willy Tarreau wrote: The per-user system would also be nice for servers, provided there are CPU/disc IO/swapper/... quotas or priorities at least. This is too hard to adjust. Imagine what would happen to your hundreds of apache processes when the "backup" user will start the rsync or

Re: [ck] Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?

2007-03-18 Thread Willy Tarreau
On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 07:54:20AM +0100, Radoslaw Szkodzinski wrote: > On 3/18/07, Mike Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Sun, 2007-03-18 at 06:24 +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote: > > > >> Maybe we're all discussing the problem because we have reached the point > >> where we need two types of

Re: [ck] Re: is RSDL an unfair scheduler too?

2007-03-18 Thread Willy Tarreau
On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 07:54:20AM +0100, Radoslaw Szkodzinski wrote: On 3/18/07, Mike Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-03-18 at 06:24 +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote: Maybe we're all discussing the problem because we have reached the point where we need two types of schedulers :

Re: [ck] Re: is RSDL an unfair scheduler too?

2007-03-18 Thread Avi Kivity
Willy Tarreau wrote: The per-user system would also be nice for servers, provided there are CPU/disc IO/swapper/... quotas or priorities at least. This is too hard to adjust. Imagine what would happen to your hundreds of apache processes when the backup user will start the rsync or

Re: [ck] Re: is RSDL an unfair scheduler too?

2007-03-18 Thread jos poortvliet
Op Sunday 18 March 2007, schreef Mike Galbraith: On Sat, 2007-03-17 at 21:13 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: Now for something constructive... by any chance is Mike running KDE instead of GNOME? Yes. -Mike Well, then, it might indeed be the KIOslave/pipe stuff. I experience sometimes

Re: [ck] Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?

2007-03-17 Thread Radoslaw Szkodzinski
On 3/18/07, Mike Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sun, 2007-03-18 at 06:24 +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote: > Maybe we're all discussing the problem because we have reached the point > where we need two types of schedulers : one for the desktop and one for > the servers. After all, this is

RE: [ck] Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?

2007-03-17 Thread David Schwartz
Miell; Linus Torvalds; Andrew > Morton > Subject: Re: [ck] Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too? > > > Op Saturday 17 March 2007, schreef Con Kolivas: > > On Saturday 17 March 2007 22:49, Ingo Molnar wrote: > > > * Con Kolivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: &g

Re: [ck] Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?

2007-03-17 Thread jos poortvliet
Op Saturday 17 March 2007, schreef Con Kolivas: > On Saturday 17 March 2007 22:49, Ingo Molnar wrote: > > * Con Kolivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Despite the claims to the contrary, RSDL does not have _less_ > > > heuristics, it does not have _any_. It's purely entitlement based. > > > >

Re: [ck] Re: is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too?

2007-03-17 Thread jos poortvliet
Op Saturday 17 March 2007, schreef Ingo Molnar: > * Con Kolivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Despite the claims to the contrary, RSDL does not have _less_ > > heuristics, it does not have _any_. It's purely entitlement based. > > RSDL still has heuristics very much, but this time it's hardcoded

Re: [ck] Re: is RSDL an unfair scheduler too?

2007-03-17 Thread jos poortvliet
Op Saturday 17 March 2007, schreef Ingo Molnar: * Con Kolivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite the claims to the contrary, RSDL does not have _less_ heuristics, it does not have _any_. It's purely entitlement based. RSDL still has heuristics very much, but this time it's hardcoded into the

Re: [ck] Re: is RSDL an unfair scheduler too?

2007-03-17 Thread jos poortvliet
Op Saturday 17 March 2007, schreef Con Kolivas: On Saturday 17 March 2007 22:49, Ingo Molnar wrote: * Con Kolivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite the claims to the contrary, RSDL does not have _less_ heuristics, it does not have _any_. It's purely entitlement based. RSDL still has

RE: [ck] Re: is RSDL an unfair scheduler too?

2007-03-17 Thread David Schwartz
Morton Subject: Re: [ck] Re: is RSDL an unfair scheduler too? Op Saturday 17 March 2007, schreef Con Kolivas: On Saturday 17 March 2007 22:49, Ingo Molnar wrote: * Con Kolivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite the claims to the contrary, RSDL does not have _less_ heuristics, it does

Re: [ck] Re: is RSDL an unfair scheduler too?

2007-03-17 Thread Radoslaw Szkodzinski
On 3/18/07, Mike Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2007-03-18 at 06:24 +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote: Maybe we're all discussing the problem because we have reached the point where we need two types of schedulers : one for the desktop and one for the servers. After all, this is already