Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-24 Thread Heinz J. Mauelshagen
Sorry, sorry. The lists are open. Please tell us if mailman still bothers. On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 03:46:53PM -0400, Martin K. Petersen wrote: > > "Jens" == Jens Axboe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Jens> First one gets a mail saying that the mail sent is queued for > Jens> moderator

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-24 Thread Heinz J. Mauelshagen
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 03:35:43PM -0300, Rik van Riel wrote: > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, AJ Lewis wrote: > > > It is unfortunate that this could not have been resolved in a more mature > > manner. Saying "I don't like the way somebody is doing something. I won't > > bother to talk to them about

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-24 Thread Heinz J. Mauelshagen
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 08:48:19PM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote: > On Thu, Apr 19 2001, AJ Lewis wrote: > > It is unfortunate that this could not have been resolved in a more mature > > manner. Saying "I don't like the way somebody is doing something. I won't > > bother to talk to them about it,

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-24 Thread Heinz J. Mauelshagen
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 08:48:19PM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote: On Thu, Apr 19 2001, AJ Lewis wrote: It is unfortunate that this could not have been resolved in a more mature manner. Saying I don't like the way somebody is doing something. I won't bother to talk to them about it, I'll just

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-24 Thread Heinz J. Mauelshagen
Sorry, sorry. The lists are open. Please tell us if mailman still bothers. On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 03:46:53PM -0400, Martin K. Petersen wrote: Jens == Jens Axboe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jens First one gets a mail saying that the mail sent is queued for Jens moderator approval, since

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-23 Thread Heinz J. Mauelshagen
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 08:25:15PM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote: > On Fri, Apr 20 2001, Alan Cox wrote: > > > We will announce when they are available ASAP and would appreciate if > > > people like Alan Cox, Andrea Arcangeli and Andreas Dilger > > > could check them *before* we start submitting them

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-23 Thread Heinz J. Mauelshagen
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 07:04:21PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > We will announce when they are available ASAP and would appreciate if > > people like Alan Cox, Andrea Arcangeli and Andreas Dilger > > could check them *before* we start submitting them to Linus. > > I'll be glad to help look over

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-23 Thread Heinz J. Mauelshagen
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 07:04:21PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: We will announce when they are available ASAP and would appreciate if people like Alan Cox, Andrea Arcangeli and Andreas Dilger could check them *before* we start submitting them to Linus. I'll be glad to help look over them.

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-23 Thread Heinz J. Mauelshagen
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 08:25:15PM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote: On Fri, Apr 20 2001, Alan Cox wrote: We will announce when they are available ASAP and would appreciate if people like Alan Cox, Andrea Arcangeli and Andreas Dilger could check them *before* we start submitting them to Linus.

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-21 Thread Rik van Riel
On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Matti Aarnio wrote: > If you are PERL speaker (or can at least comprehend perl's > m(atch) expressions), here is URL to info about it, plus > the actual live running filter-set: > > http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > > Go to the end of the page, and

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-21 Thread Rik van Riel
On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Matti Aarnio wrote: If you are PERL speaker (or can at least comprehend perl's m(atch) expressions), here is URL to info about it, plus the actual live running filter-set: http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Go to the end of the page, and you see

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-20 Thread Matti Aarnio
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 08:36:37AM -0400, Doug McNaught wrote: [ not much at all spams at linux-kernel ... ] > > That's partly because davem and Matti are rabid anti-spam weasels and > very good at it. ;) There are all kinds of filters (including > content-based ones) on l-k, otherwise we'd be

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-20 Thread Jens Axboe
On Fri, Apr 20 2001, Alan Cox wrote: > > We will announce when they are available ASAP and would appreciate if > > people like Alan Cox, Andrea Arcangeli and Andreas Dilger > > could check them *before* we start submitting them to Linus. > > I'll be glad to help look over them. Same here, the

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-20 Thread Alan Cox
> We will announce when they are available ASAP and would appreciate if > people like Alan Cox, Andrea Arcangeli and Andreas Dilger > could check them *before* we start submitting them to Linus. I'll be glad to help look over them. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-20 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Heinz J. Mauelshagen wrote: > Linux LVM is a Sistina GPL project and there's no danger at all > that we want to change its GPL nature! I think the general sentiment is that LVM is a Linux project, currently being managed by Sistina. Also, since you have merged patches from other you

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-20 Thread Heinz J. Mauelshagen
Having just a couple of days of vacation I got informed today that a number of people got pissed off and decided to open a new Linux LVM mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. Facts people complained about included: 1. people got dropped from the list 2. messages bouncing 3. lack of (small)

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-20 Thread Doug McNaught
Miles Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Gosh, this seems like a bit of a red herring, IMHO. Do you think the > LKML gets a "lot" of spam? Or, how about the linux-usb-devel or > linux-hotplug-devel lists? None of these lists are moderated and the > occasional spam gets sent to them, but I

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-20 Thread Patrick Caulfield
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 04:09:32PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: > AJ Lewis wrote: > > Ok, the issue here is that we're trying to get a release out and so anything > > that majorly changes the code is getting shunted aside for the moment. It > > would be stupid to just add everything that comes in

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-20 Thread Constantine Gavrilov
> Hmm...i guess there is a communication issue here. It sounds like the > message that our ML server was sending was misleading. We were not > rejecting mail because of content. The ML server was rejecting it because > the address was not subscribed. Our idea was that we don't want

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-20 Thread Jeff Garzik
Luca Berra wrote: > we have some serous problems here. [...] > a better lvm (still buggy according to many kernel hackers, but better still), > which does not get into the kernel for communication reasons. (Alan can you help? > there is a lot of stuff that goes in -ac before going to mainstream)

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-20 Thread Luca Berra
Fuck! I hate these things early in the morning. what gets me extremely pissed in the whole business is that i don't believe that splitting the mailing list is the solution to LVM problems. Escpecially since we have a number of lusers of lwm at the time being. I believe sistina is mostly at

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-20 Thread Luca Berra
Fuck! I hate these things early in the morning. what gets me extremely pissed in the whole business is that i don't believe that splitting the mailing list is the solution to LVM problems. Escpecially since we have a number of lusers of lwm at the time being. I believe sistina is mostly at

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-20 Thread Jeff Garzik
Luca Berra wrote: we have some serous problems here. [...] a better lvm (still buggy according to many kernel hackers, but better still), which does not get into the kernel for communication reasons. (Alan can you help? there is a lot of stuff that goes in -ac before going to mainstream) I

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-20 Thread Constantine Gavrilov
Hmm...i guess there is a communication issue here. It sounds like the message that our ML server was sending was misleading. We were not rejecting mail because of content. The ML server was rejecting it because the address was not subscribed. Our idea was that we don't want spam.

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-20 Thread Patrick Caulfield
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 04:09:32PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: AJ Lewis wrote: Ok, the issue here is that we're trying to get a release out and so anything that majorly changes the code is getting shunted aside for the moment. It would be stupid to just add everything that comes in on the

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-20 Thread Doug McNaught
Miles Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gosh, this seems like a bit of a red herring, IMHO. Do you think the LKML gets a "lot" of spam? Or, how about the linux-usb-devel or linux-hotplug-devel lists? None of these lists are moderated and the occasional spam gets sent to them, but I haven't

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-20 Thread Heinz J. Mauelshagen
Having just a couple of days of vacation I got informed today that a number of people got pissed off and decided to open a new Linux LVM mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Facts people complained about included: 1. people got dropped from the list 2. messages bouncing 3. lack of (small) LVM

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-20 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Heinz J. Mauelshagen wrote: Linux LVM is a Sistina GPL project and there's no danger at all that we want to change its GPL nature! I think the general sentiment is that LVM is a Linux project, currently being managed by Sistina. Also, since you have merged patches from other you

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-20 Thread Alan Cox
We will announce when they are available ASAP and would appreciate if people like Alan Cox, Andrea Arcangeli and Andreas Dilger could check them *before* we start submitting them to Linus. I'll be glad to help look over them. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-20 Thread Jens Axboe
On Fri, Apr 20 2001, Alan Cox wrote: We will announce when they are available ASAP and would appreciate if people like Alan Cox, Andrea Arcangeli and Andreas Dilger could check them *before* we start submitting them to Linus. I'll be glad to help look over them. Same here, the important

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-20 Thread Matti Aarnio
On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 08:36:37AM -0400, Doug McNaught wrote: [ not much at all spams at linux-kernel ... ] That's partly because davem and Matti are rabid anti-spam weasels and very good at it. ;) There are all kinds of filters (including content-based ones) on l-k, otherwise we'd be

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Dan Kegel
Dear Sistina: I know very little about LVM, but from watching earlier projects in the same situation you're in now, the path you need to follow seems clear: Stop using CVS internally for development. It makes checking in changes without submitting them to Linus too easy. To get sync'd

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Paul Jakma
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Andreas Dilger wrote: > went in, but not other stuff. Also, it doesn't appear that any of the > LVM changes are making it into the stock kernel, which is basically a > recepie for disaster. agreed... after the problematic inclusion of 0.9 into the kernel i asked on sistina

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Andreas Dilger
AJ writes: > Ok, the issue here is that we're trying to get a release out and so anything > that majorly changes the code is getting shunted aside for the moment. Actually, the whole idea of "trying to get a release out" is part of the problem. If patches were included into CVS and sent sent to

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Miles Lane
Alan Cox wrote: >>As far as getting patches into the stock kernel, we've been sending patches >>to Linus for over a month now, and none of them have made it in. Maybe >>someone has some pointers on how we get our code past his filters. >> > > Has it occured to you that some of this might be

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Kurt Garloff
Hi AJ, On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 02:40:15PM -0500, AJ Lewis wrote: > The list is now open. I've talked to our admin and he's opening it up. > Send me e-mail if it doesn't work, 'cause something else is broken. to me it looks like your reactions are too late. I suggest you Sistina people accept

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread AJ Lewis
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 04:09:32PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: > AJ Lewis wrote: > > Ok, the issue here is that we're trying to get a release out and so anything > > that majorly changes the code is getting shunted aside for the moment. It > > would be stupid to just add everything that comes in

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Miles Lane
AJ Lewis wrote: > On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 08:02:50PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > >>Well their approach to patches that fix bugs is to reject emails. They've done >>that to stuff I've reported any many others. So there is a problem. And its >>kind of hard to discuss a problem when you are being

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Jeff Garzik
AJ Lewis wrote: > Ok, the issue here is that we're trying to get a release out and so anything > that majorly changes the code is getting shunted aside for the moment. It > would be stupid to just add everything that comes in on the ML without > review. Linus does the exact same thing. I've

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Alan Cox
> As far as getting patches into the stock kernel, we've been sending patches > to Linus for over a month now, and none of them have made it in. Maybe > someone has some pointers on how we get our code past his filters. Has it occured to you that some of this might be because the code does

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 01:45:20PM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote: > I don't think that the subscription is necessarily the only issue. I'm > subscribed to all of the LVM mailing lists, and still a lot of what I > submit (legitimate bug fixes, and not just features/code cleanup) does > not get

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Jens Axboe
On Thu, Apr 19 2001, AJ Lewis wrote: > As far as getting patches into the stock kernel, we've been sending patches > to Linus for over a month now, and none of them have made it in. Maybe > someone has some pointers on how we get our code past his filters. The diff between 2.4.4-pre LVM and

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Rik van Riel
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Andreas Dilger wrote: > I don't think that the subscription is necessarily the only > issue. I'm subscribed to all of the LVM mailing lists, and > still a lot of what I submit (legitimate bug fixes, and not just > features/code cleanup) does not get added to CVS. Yes, the

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread AJ Lewis
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 01:45:20PM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote: > I don't think that the subscription is necessarily the only issue. I'm > subscribed to all of the LVM mailing lists, and still a lot of what I > submit (legitimate bug fixes, and not just features/code cleanup) does > not get

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Alan Cox
> Not to be negative, but isn't Alan the pot calling the kettle black? You > use ORBS to block email as well, with no hope of reprieve. AFAIK, the I dont stop other people discussing the kernel. Its very very different. > linux-lvm list has a moderator which _should_ forward legitimate emails

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Alan Cox
> All it would have taken was a request and a good reason for doing so, but > I guess this is one way to do it. Just don't complain about spam. :) I think you'll find several folks who run linux-kernel and other lists like the linux.nl mailhub more than happy to help there Alan - To

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Martin K. Petersen
> "Jens" == Jens Axboe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jens> First one gets a mail saying that the mail sent is queued for Jens> moderator approval, since I'm not on the list. Then later a Jens> second mail arrives, saying the mail has been rejected by the Jens> moderator. Yep. Same here.

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Andreas Dilger
AJ Lewis writes: > On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 08:02:50PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > Well their approach to patches that fix bugs is to reject emails. They've > > done that to stuff I've reported any many others. So there is a problem. > > And it's kind of hard to discuss a problem when you are being

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread AJ Lewis
The list is now open. I've talked to our admin and he's opening it up. Send me e-mail if it doesn't work, 'cause something else is broken. All it would have taken was a request and a good reason for doing so, but I guess this is one way to do it. Just don't complain about spam. :) Regards,

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Jes Sorensen
> "AJ" == AJ Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: AJ> On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 09:17:29PM +0200, Jes Sorensen wrote: >> This was tried, trust me. We didn't create this list because >> someone forgot to respond to a single posting. As we wrote in the >> announcement there has been too many

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread AJ Lewis
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 09:35:51PM +0200, Jes Sorensen wrote: > > ">" == AJ Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Hmm...i guess there is a communication issue here. It sounds like > >> the message that our ML server was sending was misleading. We were > >> not rejecting mail because of

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Jes Sorensen
> ">" == AJ Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Hmm...i guess there is a communication issue here. It sounds like >> the message that our ML server was sending was misleading. We were >> not rejecting mail because of content. The ML server was rejecting >> it because the address was not

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Jens Axboe
On Thu, Apr 19 2001, AJ Lewis wrote: > Did anyone bother to e-mail the list admins? Perhaps it was too difficult > to figure out who to mail about this, but I know for a fact that Rik van > Riel and Jens Axboe could post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It would have been > nice if they had mentioned

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread AJ Lewis
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 09:17:29PM +0200, Jes Sorensen wrote: > This was tried, trust me. We didn't create this list because someone > forgot to respond to a single posting. As we wrote in the announcement > there has been too many incidents: At least two people got kicked off > the old lvm list

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread AJ Lewis
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 08:02:50PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > Well their approach to patches that fix bugs is to reject emails. They've done > that to stuff I've reported any many others. So there is a problem. And its > kind of hard to discuss a problem when you are being moderated out of

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Martin K. Petersen
> "AJ" == AJ Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: AJ> It is unfortunate that this could not have been resolved in a more AJ> mature manner. Personally, I find it exceedingly immature that my postings get moderated to the bitbucket every time I report a bug in your code. This is simply not

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Jes Sorensen
> ">" == AJ Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> It is unfortunate that this could not have been resolved in a more >> mature manner. Saying "I don't like the way somebody is doing >> something. I won't bother to talk to them about it, I'll just >> flame them and try to undermine their

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Alan Cox
> It is unfortunate that this could not have been resolved in a more mature > manner. Saying "I don't like the way somebody is doing something. I won't > bother to talk to them about it, I'll just flame them and try to undermine > their work." is not acceptable. It would have been nice if

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Jens Axboe
On Thu, Apr 19 2001, AJ Lewis wrote: > It is unfortunate that this could not have been resolved in a more mature > manner. Saying "I don't like the way somebody is doing something. I won't > bother to talk to them about it, I'll just flame them and try to undermine > their work." is not

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Rik van Riel
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, AJ Lewis wrote: > It is unfortunate that this could not have been resolved in a more mature > manner. Saying "I don't like the way somebody is doing something. I won't > bother to talk to them about it, I'll just flame them and try to undermine > their work." is not

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Jeff Garzik
AJ Lewis wrote: > It is unfortunate that this could not have been resolved in a more mature > manner. Saying "I don't like the way somebody is doing something. I won't > bother to talk to them about it, I'll just flame them and try to undermine > their work." is not acceptable. It would have

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread AJ Lewis
It is unfortunate that this could not have been resolved in a more mature manner. Saying "I don't like the way somebody is doing something. I won't bother to talk to them about it, I'll just flame them and try to undermine their work." is not acceptable. It would have been nice if you'd

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread AJ Lewis
It is unfortunate that this could not have been resolved in a more mature manner. Saying "I don't like the way somebody is doing something. I won't bother to talk to them about it, I'll just flame them and try to undermine their work." is not acceptable. It would have been nice if you'd

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Jeff Garzik
AJ Lewis wrote: It is unfortunate that this could not have been resolved in a more mature manner. Saying "I don't like the way somebody is doing something. I won't bother to talk to them about it, I'll just flame them and try to undermine their work." is not acceptable. It would have been

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Rik van Riel
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, AJ Lewis wrote: It is unfortunate that this could not have been resolved in a more mature manner. Saying "I don't like the way somebody is doing something. I won't bother to talk to them about it, I'll just flame them and try to undermine their work." is not

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Jens Axboe
On Thu, Apr 19 2001, AJ Lewis wrote: It is unfortunate that this could not have been resolved in a more mature manner. Saying "I don't like the way somebody is doing something. I won't bother to talk to them about it, I'll just flame them and try to undermine their work." is not acceptable.

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Alan Cox
It is unfortunate that this could not have been resolved in a more mature manner. Saying "I don't like the way somebody is doing something. I won't bother to talk to them about it, I'll just flame them and try to undermine their work." is not acceptable. It would have been nice if you'd

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Jes Sorensen
"" == AJ Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is unfortunate that this could not have been resolved in a more mature manner. Saying "I don't like the way somebody is doing something. I won't bother to talk to them about it, I'll just flame them and try to undermine their work." is not

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Martin K. Petersen
"AJ" == AJ Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AJ It is unfortunate that this could not have been resolved in a more AJ mature manner. Personally, I find it exceedingly immature that my postings get moderated to the bitbucket every time I report a bug in your code. This is simply not the way we

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread AJ Lewis
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 08:02:50PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: Well their approach to patches that fix bugs is to reject emails. They've done that to stuff I've reported any many others. So there is a problem. And its kind of hard to discuss a problem when you are being moderated out of existance.

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread AJ Lewis
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 09:17:29PM +0200, Jes Sorensen wrote: This was tried, trust me. We didn't create this list because someone forgot to respond to a single posting. As we wrote in the announcement there has been too many incidents: At least two people got kicked off the old lvm list for

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Jens Axboe
On Thu, Apr 19 2001, AJ Lewis wrote: Did anyone bother to e-mail the list admins? Perhaps it was too difficult to figure out who to mail about this, but I know for a fact that Rik van Riel and Jens Axboe could post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It would have been nice if they had mentioned something

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Jes Sorensen
"" == AJ Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmm...i guess there is a communication issue here. It sounds like the message that our ML server was sending was misleading. We were not rejecting mail because of content. The ML server was rejecting it because the address was not subscribed. Our

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Jes Sorensen
"AJ" == AJ Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AJ On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 09:17:29PM +0200, Jes Sorensen wrote: This was tried, trust me. We didn't create this list because someone forgot to respond to a single posting. As we wrote in the announcement there has been too many incidents: At least

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread AJ Lewis
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 09:35:51PM +0200, Jes Sorensen wrote: "" == AJ Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmm...i guess there is a communication issue here. It sounds like the message that our ML server was sending was misleading. We were not rejecting mail because of content. The ML

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread AJ Lewis
The list is now open. I've talked to our admin and he's opening it up. Send me e-mail if it doesn't work, 'cause something else is broken. All it would have taken was a request and a good reason for doing so, but I guess this is one way to do it. Just don't complain about spam. :) Regards,

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Andreas Dilger
AJ Lewis writes: On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 08:02:50PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: Well their approach to patches that fix bugs is to reject emails. They've done that to stuff I've reported any many others. So there is a problem. And it's kind of hard to discuss a problem when you are being

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Alan Cox
All it would have taken was a request and a good reason for doing so, but I guess this is one way to do it. Just don't complain about spam. :) I think you'll find several folks who run linux-kernel and other lists like the linux.nl mailhub more than happy to help there Alan - To

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Martin K. Petersen
"Jens" == Jens Axboe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jens First one gets a mail saying that the mail sent is queued for Jens moderator approval, since I'm not on the list. Then later a Jens second mail arrives, saying the mail has been rejected by the Jens moderator. Yep. Same here. Latest and

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Alan Cox
Not to be negative, but isn't Alan the pot calling the kettle black? You use ORBS to block email as well, with no hope of reprieve. AFAIK, the I dont stop other people discussing the kernel. Its very very different. linux-lvm list has a moderator which _should_ forward legitimate emails

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread AJ Lewis
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 01:45:20PM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote: I don't think that the subscription is necessarily the only issue. I'm subscribed to all of the LVM mailing lists, and still a lot of what I submit (legitimate bug fixes, and not just features/code cleanup) does not get added to

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Rik van Riel
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Andreas Dilger wrote: I don't think that the subscription is necessarily the only issue. I'm subscribed to all of the LVM mailing lists, and still a lot of what I submit (legitimate bug fixes, and not just features/code cleanup) does not get added to CVS. Yes, the

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 01:45:20PM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote: I don't think that the subscription is necessarily the only issue. I'm subscribed to all of the LVM mailing lists, and still a lot of what I submit (legitimate bug fixes, and not just features/code cleanup) does not get added to

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Jens Axboe
On Thu, Apr 19 2001, AJ Lewis wrote: As far as getting patches into the stock kernel, we've been sending patches to Linus for over a month now, and none of them have made it in. Maybe someone has some pointers on how we get our code past his filters. The diff between 2.4.4-pre LVM and your

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Alan Cox
As far as getting patches into the stock kernel, we've been sending patches to Linus for over a month now, and none of them have made it in. Maybe someone has some pointers on how we get our code past his filters. Has it occured to you that some of this might be because the code does stuff

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Jeff Garzik
AJ Lewis wrote: Ok, the issue here is that we're trying to get a release out and so anything that majorly changes the code is getting shunted aside for the moment. It would be stupid to just add everything that comes in on the ML without review. Linus does the exact same thing. I've said

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Miles Lane
AJ Lewis wrote: On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 08:02:50PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: Well their approach to patches that fix bugs is to reject emails. They've done that to stuff I've reported any many others. So there is a problem. And its kind of hard to discuss a problem when you are being moderated

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread AJ Lewis
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 04:09:32PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: AJ Lewis wrote: Ok, the issue here is that we're trying to get a release out and so anything that majorly changes the code is getting shunted aside for the moment. It would be stupid to just add everything that comes in on the

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Kurt Garloff
Hi AJ, On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 02:40:15PM -0500, AJ Lewis wrote: The list is now open. I've talked to our admin and he's opening it up. Send me e-mail if it doesn't work, 'cause something else is broken. to me it looks like your reactions are too late. I suggest you Sistina people accept

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Miles Lane
Alan Cox wrote: As far as getting patches into the stock kernel, we've been sending patches to Linus for over a month now, and none of them have made it in. Maybe someone has some pointers on how we get our code past his filters. Has it occured to you that some of this might be because the

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Andreas Dilger
AJ writes: Ok, the issue here is that we're trying to get a release out and so anything that majorly changes the code is getting shunted aside for the moment. Actually, the whole idea of "trying to get a release out" is part of the problem. If patches were included into CVS and sent sent to

Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Paul Jakma
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Andreas Dilger wrote: went in, but not other stuff. Also, it doesn't appear that any of the LVM changes are making it into the stock kernel, which is basically a recepie for disaster. agreed... after the problematic inclusion of 0.9 into the kernel i asked on sistina

Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list

2001-04-19 Thread Dan Kegel
Dear Sistina: I know very little about LVM, but from watching earlier projects in the same situation you're in now, the path you need to follow seems clear: Stop using CVS internally for development. It makes checking in changes without submitting them to Linus too easy. To get sync'd