Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-11 Thread David Ford
I simply crontab an ECN off period for five minutes every hour and flush the mail queue. David. Holger Lubitz wrote: >"H. Peter Anvin" wrote: > >>I suspect that the main way to get this thing fixed is to make sure >>ECN is enabled on the server side; for example, we have turned on ECN >>on

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-11 Thread David Ford
I simply crontab an ECN off period for five minutes every hour and flush the mail queue. David. Holger Lubitz wrote: H. Peter Anvin wrote: I suspect that the main way to get this thing fixed is to make sure ECN is enabled on the server side; for example, we have turned on ECN on kernel.org.

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-10 Thread Michel Eyckmans (MCE)
> I suspect that the main way to get this thing fixed is to make sure > ECN is enabled on the server side; for example, we have turned on ECN > on kernel.org. If a user is using a broken software stack, it's their > loss, not ours. I agree it's the server side that will eventuelly push it

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-10 Thread Holger Lubitz
"H. Peter Anvin" wrote: > I suspect that the main way to get this thing fixed is to make sure > ECN is enabled on the server side; for example, we have turned on ECN > on kernel.org. If a user is using a broken software stack, it's their > loss, not ours. This is what we do here, too. The only

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-10 Thread Michel Eyckmans (MCE)
I suspect that the main way to get this thing fixed is to make sure ECN is enabled on the server side; for example, we have turned on ECN on kernel.org. If a user is using a broken software stack, it's their loss, not ours. I agree it's the server side that will eventuelly push it through,

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-10 Thread Holger Lubitz
H. Peter Anvin wrote: I suspect that the main way to get this thing fixed is to make sure ECN is enabled on the server side; for example, we have turned on ECN on kernel.org. If a user is using a broken software stack, it's their loss, not ours. This is what we do here, too. The only

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed :: AOL ::: Spam filter

2001-05-09 Thread God
On Wed, 9 May 2001, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 01:08:31PM -0400, God wrote: > > On Wed, 9 May 2001, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > > > > > 2) They certainly are. Every once in a while they go through a period of > > >silently dropping all email coming from hosts that don't

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 01:08:31PM -0400, God wrote: > On Wed, 9 May 2001, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > > > 2) They certainly are. Every once in a while they go through a period of > >silently dropping all email coming from hosts that don't have PTRs. > >This would be no worse. > > ACK

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Followup to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> By author:God <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel > > Agreed. For now ECN has been disabled here. I got tired of so many sites > not supporting it that I gave up. Maybe by 2.8.x kernels it will be worth > turning back on. Thats not to say

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread God
On Wed, 9 May 2001, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > 2) They certainly are. Every once in a while they go through a period of >silently dropping all email coming from hosts that don't have PTRs. >This would be no worse. ACK Which do you mean? : -Hosts that don't have valid PTRs (which

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread God
On Wed, 9 May 2001, Pekka Savola wrote: > To: Matthew Geier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Wed, 9 May 2001, Matthew Geier wrote: > > > Help is needed to contact these site owners and politely using a standard > > > email ask them that their site was non-conformant. [snip] > > > > > > I tried to

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 10:10:29AM -0400, Horst von Brand wrote: > Gregory Maxwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > [...] > > > Anyone have any friends at AOL? I wonder what the effect on these > > non-conformant sites would be if AOL's proxy's became ECN enabled? > > And AOL is sure crazy enough

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread Horst von Brand
Gregory Maxwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: [...] > Anyone have any friends at AOL? I wonder what the effect on these > non-conformant sites would be if AOL's proxy's became ECN enabled? And AOL is sure crazy enough to "break compatibility with everybody" just out of courtesy to someone's friend

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 10:31:23PM -0400, jamal wrote: > Folks, > > ECN is about to become a Proposed Standard RFC. Thanks to > efforts from the Linux community, a few issues were discovered > in the course of deploying the code. Special kudos go to Alexey > Kuznetsov and David Miller. [snip]

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread Pekka Savola
On Wed, 9 May 2001, Matthew Geier wrote: > > This is to solicit volunteers who will help removing the remaining cruft. > > Some vendors (special positive mention goes to CISCO) have released > > patches which are unfortunately not being propagated by some of the > > site owners. > > Help is

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread Matthew Geier
> This is to solicit volunteers who will help removing the remaining cruft. > Some vendors (special positive mention goes to CISCO) have released > patches which are unfortunately not being propagated by some of the > site owners. > Help is needed to contact these site owners and politely using a

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread Horst von Brand
Gregory Maxwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [...] Anyone have any friends at AOL? I wonder what the effect on these non-conformant sites would be if AOL's proxy's became ECN enabled? And AOL is sure crazy enough to break compatibility with everybody just out of courtesy to someone's friend call.

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread Matthew Geier
This is to solicit volunteers who will help removing the remaining cruft. Some vendors (special positive mention goes to CISCO) have released patches which are unfortunately not being propagated by some of the site owners. Help is needed to contact these site owners and politely using a

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread God
On Wed, 9 May 2001, Pekka Savola wrote: To: Matthew Geier [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 9 May 2001, Matthew Geier wrote: Help is needed to contact these site owners and politely using a standard email ask them that their site was non-conformant. [snip] I tried to get my local

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread Pekka Savola
On Wed, 9 May 2001, Matthew Geier wrote: This is to solicit volunteers who will help removing the remaining cruft. Some vendors (special positive mention goes to CISCO) have released patches which are unfortunately not being propagated by some of the site owners. Help is needed to

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread God
On Wed, 9 May 2001, Gregory Maxwell wrote: 2) They certainly are. Every once in a while they go through a period of silently dropping all email coming from hosts that don't have PTRs. This would be no worse. ACK Which do you mean? : -Hosts that don't have valid PTRs (which would

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 10:31:23PM -0400, jamal wrote: Folks, ECN is about to become a Proposed Standard RFC. Thanks to efforts from the Linux community, a few issues were discovered in the course of deploying the code. Special kudos go to Alexey Kuznetsov and David Miller. [snip] Anyone

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Followup to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] By author:God [EMAIL PROTECTED] In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel Agreed. For now ECN has been disabled here. I got tired of so many sites not supporting it that I gave up. Maybe by 2.8.x kernels it will be worth turning back on. Thats not to say however

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed :: AOL ::: Spam filter

2001-05-09 Thread God
On Wed, 9 May 2001, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 01:08:31PM -0400, God wrote: On Wed, 9 May 2001, Gregory Maxwell wrote: 2) They certainly are. Every once in a while they go through a period of silently dropping all email coming from hosts that don't have PTRs.

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 01:08:31PM -0400, God wrote: On Wed, 9 May 2001, Gregory Maxwell wrote: 2) They certainly are. Every once in a while they go through a period of silently dropping all email coming from hosts that don't have PTRs. This would be no worse. ACK Which do

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 10:10:29AM -0400, Horst von Brand wrote: Gregory Maxwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [...] Anyone have any friends at AOL? I wonder what the effect on these non-conformant sites would be if AOL's proxy's became ECN enabled? And AOL is sure crazy enough to break

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-08 Thread Billy Harvey
> This was the big argument I was running into from sites, "well it > isn't standard yet, when it is we'll do something about it". The > larger sites like to avoid updates until absolutely necessary. Good grief - nothing like planning ahead ... and these large-site administrators actually

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-08 Thread jamal
On Tue, 8 May 2001, jamal wrote: > Any one wishing to volunteer, please still send your emails in -- > we should be ready in a few days from now, > I guess i should have mentioned the IESG is sitting in to approve ECN as proposed standard in about a week or so. cheers, jamal - To unsubscribe

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-08 Thread jamal
On Tue, 8 May 2001, David S. Miller wrote: > > I believe it would only be prudent to actually send out these messages > starting at the moment ECN is officially standard. > > This was the big argument I was running into from sites, "well it > isn't standard yet, when it is we'll do something

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-08 Thread David S. Miller
jamal writes: > Help is needed to contact these site owners and politely using a standard > email ask them that their site was non-conformant. > Point them to Sally's draft and the fact that ECN is becoming standard > in the next week or so. Also to Jeff's ECN-under-Linux Unofficial >

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-08 Thread Billy Harvey
This was the big argument I was running into from sites, well it isn't standard yet, when it is we'll do something about it. The larger sites like to avoid updates until absolutely necessary. Good grief - nothing like planning ahead ... and these large-site administrators actually accept

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-08 Thread jamal
On Tue, 8 May 2001, jamal wrote: Any one wishing to volunteer, please still send your emails in -- we should be ready in a few days from now, I guess i should have mentioned the IESG is sitting in to approve ECN as proposed standard in about a week or so. cheers, jamal - To unsubscribe

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-08 Thread David S. Miller
jamal writes: Help is needed to contact these site owners and politely using a standard email ask them that their site was non-conformant. Point them to Sally's draft and the fact that ECN is becoming standard in the next week or so. Also to Jeff's ECN-under-Linux Unofficial Vendor

Re: ECN: Volunteers needed

2001-05-08 Thread jamal
On Tue, 8 May 2001, David S. Miller wrote: I believe it would only be prudent to actually send out these messages starting at the moment ECN is officially standard. This was the big argument I was running into from sites, well it isn't standard yet, when it is we'll do something about