On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Chris Mason wrote:
>
> The bigger question is do we have users that expect to be able to set
> the blocksize after mmaping the block device (no writes required)? I
> actually feel a little bad for taking up internet bandwidth asking, but
> it is a change in behavi
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:26:56AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 6:12 AM, Chris Mason wrote:
> >
> > Jumping in based on Linus original patch, which is doing something like
> > this:
> >
> > set_blocksize() {
> > block new calls to writepage, prepare/commit_write
>
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 6:12 AM, Chris Mason wrote:
>
> Jumping in based on Linus original patch, which is doing something like
> this:
>
> set_blocksize() {
> block new calls to writepage, prepare/commit_write
> set the block size
> unblock
>
> < --- can race in he
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 07:12:49AM -0700, Chris Mason wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:16:21PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Linus Torvalds
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > But the fact that the code wants to do things like
> > >
> > > block = (sector_t)page->i
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:16:21PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Linus Torvalds
> wrote:
> >
> > But the fact that the code wants to do things like
> >
> > block = (sector_t)page->index << (PAGE_CACHE_SHIFT - bbits);
> >
> > seriously seems to be the main
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Al Viro wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:37:27PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Al Viro wrote:
>> >
>> > Note that sync_blockdev() a few lines prior to that is good only if we
>> > have no other processes doing write(2) (or di
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:37:27PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Al Viro wrote:
> >
> > Note that sync_blockdev() a few lines prior to that is good only if we
> > have no other processes doing write(2) (or dirtying the mmapped pages,
> > for that matter). The wi
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Al Viro wrote:
>
> Note that sync_blockdev() a few lines prior to that is good only if we
> have no other processes doing write(2) (or dirtying the mmapped pages,
> for that matter). The window isn't too wide, but...
So with Mikulas' patches, the write actually
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Al Viro wrote:
>
> Umm... set_blocksize() is calling kill_bdev(), which does
> truncate_inode_pages(mapping, 0). What's going to happen to data in
> the dirty pages? IO in progress is not the only thing to worry about...
Hmm. Yes. I think it works by v
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 06:25:19AM +, Al Viro wrote:
> Umm... set_blocksize() is calling kill_bdev(), which does
> truncate_inode_pages(mapping, 0). What's going to happen to data in
> the dirty pages? IO in progress is not the only thing to worry about...
Note that sync_blockdev() a
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:16:21PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Linus Torvalds
> wrote:
> >
> > But the fact that the code wants to do things like
> >
> > block = (sector_t)page->index << (PAGE_CACHE_SHIFT - bbits);
> >
> > seriously seems to be the main
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Linus Torvalds
wrote:
>
> But the fact that the code wants to do things like
>
> block = (sector_t)page->index << (PAGE_CACHE_SHIFT - bbits);
>
> seriously seems to be the main thing that keeps us using
> 'inode->i_blkbits'. Calculating bbits from bh->b_siz
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Linus Torvalds
wrote:
>
> Interesting. The code *has* the block size (it's in "bh->b_size"), but
> it actually then uses the inode blocksize instead, and verifies the
> two against each other. It could just have used the block size
> directly (and then used the ino
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> A bigger issue is for things that emulate what blkdev.c does, and
> doesn't do the locking. I see code in md/bitmap.c that seems a bit
> suspicious, for example. That said, it's not *new* breakage, and the
> "lock at mmap/read/write() time" approach d
[ Sorry, I was offline for a while driving kids around ]
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
>
> It can happen. Take your patch (the one that moves bd_block_size_semaphore
> into blkdev_readpage, blkdev_writepage and blkdev_write_begin).
Interesting. The code *has* the block
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > For example, __block_write_full_page and __block_write_begin do
> > if (!page_has_buffers(page)) { create_empty_buffers... }
> > and then they do
> > WARN_ON(bh->b_size != blocksize)
> > err = get_block(inode, block, bh, 1)
>
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Linus Torvalds
wrote:
>
>> For example, __block_write_full_page and __block_write_begin do
>> if (!page_has_buffers(page)) { create_empty_buffers... }
>> and then they do
>> WARN_ON(bh->b_size != blocksize)
>> err = get_block(inode, block, b
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
>
> The problem with this approach is that it is very easy to miss points
> where it is assumed that the block size doesn't change - and if you miss a
> point, it results in a hidden bug that has a little possibility of being
> found.
Umm. M
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Linus Torvalds
> wrote:
> >
> > Here is a *COMPLETELY* untested patch. Caveat emptor. It will probably
> > do unspeakable things to your family and pets.
>
> Btw, *if* this approach works, I suspect we could just sw
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Linus Torvalds
> wrote:
> >
> > mmap() is in *no* way special. The exact same thing happens for
> > regular read/write. Yet somehow the mmap code is special-cased, while
> > the normal read-write code is not.
>
> I
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Linus Torvalds
wrote:
>
> Here is a *COMPLETELY* untested patch. Caveat emptor. It will probably
> do unspeakable things to your family and pets.
Btw, *if* this approach works, I suspect we could just switch the
bd_block_size_semaphore semaphore to be a regular r
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Linus Torvalds
wrote:
>
> I dunno. Maybe there is some fundamental reason why the above is
> broken, but it seems to be a much simpler approach. Sure, you need to
> guarantee that the people who get the write-lock cannot possibly cause
> IO while holding it, but s
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Linus Torvalds
wrote:
>
> mmap() is in *no* way special. The exact same thing happens for
> regular read/write. Yet somehow the mmap code is special-cased, while
> the normal read-write code is not.
I just double-checked, because it's been a long time since I act
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
>
> mmap_region() doesn't care about the block size. But a lot of
> page-in/page-out code does.
That seems a bogus argument.
mmap() is in *no* way special. The exact same thing happens for
regular read/write. Yet somehow the mmap code is s
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Al Viro wrote:
> Have a
> private vm_operations - a copy of generic_file_vm_ops with ->open()/->close()
> added to it.
That sounds more reasonable.
However, I suspect the *most* reasonable thing to do is to just remove
the whole damn thing. W
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> No, this is crap.
>
> We don't introduce random hooks like this just because the block layer
> has shit-for-brains and cannot be bothered to do things right.
>
> The fact is, the whole locking in the block layer open routine is
> total and utter cra
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 11:15:12AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> No, this is crap.
>
> We don't introduce random hooks like this just because the block layer
> has shit-for-brains and cannot be bothered to do things right.
>
> The fact is, the whole locking in the block layer open routine is
> t
No, this is crap.
We don't introduce random hooks like this just because the block layer
has shit-for-brains and cannot be bothered to do things right.
The fact is, the whole locking in the block layer open routine is
total and utter crap. It doesn't lock the right thing, even with your
change *a
On Wed, 28 Nov 2012, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On 2012-11-28 04:57, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
> >
> > This patch is wrong because you must check if the device is mapped while
> > holding bdev->bd_block_size_semaphore (because
> > bdev->bd_block_size_semaphore prevents new mappings from being created)
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On 2012-11-28 04:57, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 27 Nov 2012, Jens Axboe wrote:
>>
>>> On 2012-11-27 11:06, Jeff Chua wrote:
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On 2012-11-27 06:57, Jeff Chua wrote:
>>
On 2012-11-28 04:57, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2012, Jens Axboe wrote:
>
>> On 2012-11-27 11:06, Jeff Chua wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Jens Axboe wrote:
On 2012-11-27 06:57, Jeff Chua wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Jeff Chua
> wrote:
>
On Tue, 27 Nov 2012, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On 2012-11-27 11:06, Jeff Chua wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Jens Axboe wrote:
> >> On 2012-11-27 06:57, Jeff Chua wrote:
> >>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Jeff Chua
> >>> wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Mikulas Patock
On 2012-11-27 11:06, Jeff Chua wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Jens Axboe wrote:
>> On 2012-11-27 06:57, Jeff Chua wrote:
>>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Jeff Chua
>>> wrote:
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Mikulas Patocka
wrote:
> So it's better to slow down moun
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On 2012-11-27 06:57, Jeff Chua wrote:
>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Jeff Chua wrote:
>>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Mikulas Patocka
>>> wrote:
So it's better to slow down mount.
>>>
>>> I am quite proud of the linux boot time
Jens,
Limited access now at Incheon Airport. Will try the patch out when I arrived.
Thanks,
Jeff
On 11/27/12, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On 2012-11-27 08:38, Jens Axboe wrote:
>> On 2012-11-27 06:57, Jeff Chua wrote:
>>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Jeff Chua
>>> wrote:
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012
On 2012-11-27 08:38, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On 2012-11-27 06:57, Jeff Chua wrote:
>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Jeff Chua wrote:
>>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Mikulas Patocka
>>> wrote:
So it's better to slow down mount.
>>>
>>> I am quite proud of the linux boot time pitting agai
On 2012-11-27 06:57, Jeff Chua wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Jeff Chua wrote:
>> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
>>> So it's better to slow down mount.
>>
>> I am quite proud of the linux boot time pitting against other OS. Even
>> with 10 partitions. Linux can
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Jeff Chua wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
>> So it's better to slow down mount.
>
> I am quite proud of the linux boot time pitting against other OS. Even
> with 10 partitions. Linux can boot up in just a few seconds, but now
> you
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
> So it's better to slow down mount.
I am quite proud of the linux boot time pitting against other OS. Even
with 10 partitions. Linux can boot up in just a few seconds, but now
you're saying that we need to do this semaphore check at boot up
On Sat, 24 Nov 2012, Jeff Chua wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > On 2012-11-22 20:21, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >> Doesn't sound like a fsdevel issue since it seems to be independent of
> >> filesystems. More like some generic block layer thing. Adding Jens
> >> (and
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Jeff Chua wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Jeff Chua wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Jens Axboe wrote:
>>> On 2012-11-22 20:21, Linus Torvalds wrote:
Doesn't sound like a fsdevel issue since it seems to be independent of
filesystems.
On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Jeff Chua wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Jens Axboe wrote:
>> On 2012-11-22 20:21, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>>> Doesn't sound like a fsdevel issue since it seems to be independent of
>>> filesystems. More like some generic block layer thing. Adding Jens
>>
On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On 2012-11-22 20:21, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>> Doesn't sound like a fsdevel issue since it seems to be independent of
>> filesystems. More like some generic block layer thing. Adding Jens
>> (and quoting the whole thing)
>>
>> Jens, any ideas? Mo
On 2012-11-22 20:21, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> Doesn't sound like a fsdevel issue since it seems to be independent of
> filesystems. More like some generic block layer thing. Adding Jens
> (and quoting the whole thing)
>
> Jens, any ideas? Most of your stuff came in after -rc2, which would
> fit wit
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Jeff Chua wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Jan Kara wrote:
>> I haven't heard about such problem so far. What filesystem are you using?
>
> I've tried ext2/ext3/ext4/reiserfs/btrfs ... all seems to be slower
> than before. Seems to be fs independent.
>
Doesn't sound like a fsdevel issue since it seems to be independent of
filesystems. More like some generic block layer thing. Adding Jens
(and quoting the whole thing)
Jens, any ideas? Most of your stuff came in after -rc2, which would
fit with the fact that most of the slowdown seems to be after
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:09 AM, Jan Kara wrote:
> I haven't heard about such problem so far. What filesystem are you using?
I've tried ext2/ext3/ext4/reiserfs/btrfs ... all seems to be slower
than before. Seems to be fs independent.
> Can you quantify 'is slower'? Bisecting would be welcome o
On Mon 19-11-12 08:33:25, Jeff Chua wrote:
> It seems the recent kernel is slower mounting hard disk than older
> kernels. I've not bisect down to exact when this happen as it might
> already been reported or solved. I'm on the latest commit, but it
> doesn't seems to be fixed yet.
>
> commit 3587
It seems the recent kernel is slower mounting hard disk than older
kernels. I've not bisect down to exact when this happen as it might
already been reported or solved. I'm on the latest commit, but it
doesn't seems to be fixed yet.
commit 3587b1b097d70c2eb9fee95ea7995d13c05f66e5
Author: Al Viro
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