Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-17 Thread Kok, Auke
Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 01:46:33PM -0700, Kok, Auke wrote: >> I would assume that that is true for all PHY's - if there is no link to keep >> the >> carrier active on I would think that the power consumption is nominal across >> the >> board. Once the PHY detects link

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-17 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 01:46:33PM -0700, Kok, Auke wrote: > I would assume that that is true for all PHY's - if there is no link to keep > the > carrier active on I would think that the power consumption is nominal across > the > board. Once the PHY detects link pulses it should obviously use

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-17 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 01:46:33PM -0700, Kok, Auke wrote: I would assume that that is true for all PHY's - if there is no link to keep the carrier active on I would think that the power consumption is nominal across the board. Once the PHY detects link pulses it should obviously use

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-17 Thread Kok, Auke
Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 01:46:33PM -0700, Kok, Auke wrote: I would assume that that is true for all PHY's - if there is no link to keep the carrier active on I would think that the power consumption is nominal across the board. Once the PHY detects link pulses it

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-12 Thread Kok, Auke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:35:15 PDT, "Kok, Auke" said: > >>> How much power does a non-connected NIC consume, and can you save power >>> by forcing 10 MBit until a link is detected (doubling negotiation time)? >> no, the PHY consumes a minimal amount of energy when not

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-12 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:35:15 PDT, "Kok, Auke" said: > > How much power does a non-connected NIC consume, and can you save power > > by forcing 10 MBit until a link is detected (doubling negotiation time)? > > no, the PHY consumes a minimal amount of energy when not connected, > regardless of >

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-12 Thread Kok, Auke
Bodo Eggert wrote: > Kok, Auke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> K.Prasad wrote: > >>> Without the side-effect of experiencing a link-flap when switching to a >>> lower-speed (with its toll in terms of down-time for auto-negotiation, >>> STP, etc), the Interrupt Moderation Algorithm dynamically

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-12 Thread Kok, Auke
Bodo Eggert wrote: Kok, Auke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: K.Prasad wrote: Without the side-effect of experiencing a link-flap when switching to a lower-speed (with its toll in terms of down-time for auto-negotiation, STP, etc), the Interrupt Moderation Algorithm dynamically adjusts the number

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-12 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:35:15 PDT, Kok, Auke said: How much power does a non-connected NIC consume, and can you save power by forcing 10 MBit until a link is detected (doubling negotiation time)? no, the PHY consumes a minimal amount of energy when not connected, regardless of whether it

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-12 Thread Kok, Auke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:35:15 PDT, Kok, Auke said: How much power does a non-connected NIC consume, and can you save power by forcing 10 MBit until a link is detected (doubling negotiation time)? no, the PHY consumes a minimal amount of energy when not connected,

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-11 Thread Bodo Eggert
Kok, Auke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > K.Prasad wrote: >> Without the side-effect of experiencing a link-flap when switching to a >> lower-speed (with its toll in terms of down-time for auto-negotiation, >> STP, etc), the Interrupt Moderation Algorithm dynamically adjusts the >> number of

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-11 Thread Kok, Auke
Mark Gross wrote: > On Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 11:41:17AM -0700, Kok, Auke wrote: >> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >>> On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:31:51PM -0700, Kok, Auke wrote: you most certainly want to do this in userspace I think. One of the biggest problems is that link negotiation can

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-11 Thread Kok, Auke
K.Prasad wrote: > On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:11:17 +0530, Kok, Auke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Lennart Sorensen wrote: >>> On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:31:51PM -0700, Kok, Auke wrote: you most certainly want to do this in userspace I think. One of the biggest problems is that link

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-11 Thread K.Prasad
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:11:17 +0530, Kok, Auke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:31:51PM -0700, Kok, Auke wrote: you most certainly want to do this in userspace I think. One of the biggest problems is that link negotiation can take a significant

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-11 Thread K.Prasad
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:11:17 +0530, Kok, Auke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:31:51PM -0700, Kok, Auke wrote: you most certainly want to do this in userspace I think. One of the biggest problems is that link negotiation can take a significant

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-11 Thread Kok, Auke
K.Prasad wrote: On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:11:17 +0530, Kok, Auke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:31:51PM -0700, Kok, Auke wrote: you most certainly want to do this in userspace I think. One of the biggest problems is that link negotiation can take

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-11 Thread Kok, Auke
Mark Gross wrote: On Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 11:41:17AM -0700, Kok, Auke wrote: Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:31:51PM -0700, Kok, Auke wrote: you most certainly want to do this in userspace I think. One of the biggest problems is that link negotiation can take a

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-11 Thread Bodo Eggert
Kok, Auke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: K.Prasad wrote: Without the side-effect of experiencing a link-flap when switching to a lower-speed (with its toll in terms of down-time for auto-negotiation, STP, etc), the Interrupt Moderation Algorithm dynamically adjusts the number of interrupts based

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-10 Thread Mark Gross
On Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 11:41:17AM -0700, Kok, Auke wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:31:51PM -0700, Kok, Auke wrote: > >> you most certainly want to do this in userspace I think. > >> > >> One of the biggest problems is that link negotiation can take a > >>

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-10 Thread Oliver Neukum
Am Dienstag 09 Oktober 2007 schrieb Lennart Sorensen: > Now if you were trying to transfer a lot of data to the laptop, would it > be more power efficient to do it at gigabit speeds so you can finish > sooner and shut down the machine entirely, or to slow to 100mbit and > take longer to do it,

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-10 Thread Oliver Neukum
Am Dienstag 09 Oktober 2007 schrieb Lennart Sorensen: Now if you were trying to transfer a lot of data to the laptop, would it be more power efficient to do it at gigabit speeds so you can finish sooner and shut down the machine entirely, or to slow to 100mbit and take longer to do it, and

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-10 Thread Mark Gross
On Tue, Oct 09, 2007 at 11:41:17AM -0700, Kok, Auke wrote: Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:31:51PM -0700, Kok, Auke wrote: you most certainly want to do this in userspace I think. One of the biggest problems is that link negotiation can take a significant amount of

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-09 Thread Kok, Auke
Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:31:51PM -0700, Kok, Auke wrote: >> you most certainly want to do this in userspace I think. >> >> One of the biggest problems is that link negotiation can take a significant >> amount >> of time, well over several seconds (1 to 3 seconds

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-09 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:31:51PM -0700, Kok, Auke wrote: > you most certainly want to do this in userspace I think. > > One of the biggest problems is that link negotiation can take a significant > amount > of time, well over several seconds (1 to 3 seconds typical) with gigabit, and > having

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-09 Thread Oliver Neukum
Am Dienstag 09 Oktober 2007 schrieb Pavel Machek: > Question is, how to implement it correctly? Daemon that would watch > data rates and switch speeds using mii-tool would be simple, but is > that enough? Do you only want to affect true ethernet devices this way? It seems to me that the savings

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-09 Thread Oliver Neukum
Am Dienstag 09 Oktober 2007 schrieb Pavel Machek: Question is, how to implement it correctly? Daemon that would watch data rates and switch speeds using mii-tool would be simple, but is that enough? Do you only want to affect true ethernet devices this way? It seems to me that the savings for

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-09 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:31:51PM -0700, Kok, Auke wrote: you most certainly want to do this in userspace I think. One of the biggest problems is that link negotiation can take a significant amount of time, well over several seconds (1 to 3 seconds typical) with gigabit, and having your

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-09 Thread Kok, Auke
Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:31:51PM -0700, Kok, Auke wrote: you most certainly want to do this in userspace I think. One of the biggest problems is that link negotiation can take a significant amount of time, well over several seconds (1 to 3 seconds typical) with

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-08 Thread Willy Tarreau
Hi Auke, On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:31:51PM -0700, Kok, Auke wrote: > Pavel Machek wrote: > > Hi! > > > > I've found that gbit vs. 100mbit power consumption difference is about > > 1W -- pretty significant. (Maybe powertop should include it in the > > tips section? :). > > > > Energy Star

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-08 Thread Chris Snook
Pavel Machek wrote: Hi! I've found that gbit vs. 100mbit power consumption difference is about 1W -- pretty significant. (Maybe powertop should include it in the tips section? :). Energy Star people insist that machines should switch down to 100mbit when network is idle, and I guess that makes

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-08 Thread Kok, Auke
Pavel Machek wrote: > Hi! > > I've found that gbit vs. 100mbit power consumption difference is about > 1W -- pretty significant. (Maybe powertop should include it in the > tips section? :). > > Energy Star people insist that machines should switch down to 100mbit > when network is idle, and I

gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-08 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! I've found that gbit vs. 100mbit power consumption difference is about 1W -- pretty significant. (Maybe powertop should include it in the tips section? :). Energy Star people insist that machines should switch down to 100mbit when network is idle, and I guess that makes a lot of sense -- you

gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-08 Thread Pavel Machek
Hi! I've found that gbit vs. 100mbit power consumption difference is about 1W -- pretty significant. (Maybe powertop should include it in the tips section? :). Energy Star people insist that machines should switch down to 100mbit when network is idle, and I guess that makes a lot of sense -- you

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-08 Thread Kok, Auke
Pavel Machek wrote: Hi! I've found that gbit vs. 100mbit power consumption difference is about 1W -- pretty significant. (Maybe powertop should include it in the tips section? :). Energy Star people insist that machines should switch down to 100mbit when network is idle, and I guess that

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-08 Thread Chris Snook
Pavel Machek wrote: Hi! I've found that gbit vs. 100mbit power consumption difference is about 1W -- pretty significant. (Maybe powertop should include it in the tips section? :). Energy Star people insist that machines should switch down to 100mbit when network is idle, and I guess that makes

Re: gigabit ethernet power consumption

2007-10-08 Thread Willy Tarreau
Hi Auke, On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 03:31:51PM -0700, Kok, Auke wrote: Pavel Machek wrote: Hi! I've found that gbit vs. 100mbit power consumption difference is about 1W -- pretty significant. (Maybe powertop should include it in the tips section? :). Energy Star people insist that