Re: nVidia stuff again

2005-04-23 Thread Arjan van de Ven
> werewolf:/lib/modules/2.6.11-jam14/kernel/drivers/video# ll > -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 4402072 Apr 14 23:18 nvidia.ko > werewolf:/usr/X11R6/lib# ll /usr/X11R6/lib/*7174* > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 485260 Apr 11 01:12 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.0.7174* > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7626156 Apr 11

Re: nVidia stuff again

2005-04-23 Thread Arjan van de Ven
werewolf:/lib/modules/2.6.11-jam14/kernel/drivers/video# ll -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 4402072 Apr 14 23:18 nvidia.ko werewolf:/usr/X11R6/lib# ll /usr/X11R6/lib/*7174* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 485260 Apr 11 01:12 /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.0.7174* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7626156 Apr 11 01:12

Re: nVidia stuff again

2005-04-22 Thread J.A. Magallon
On 04.21, Manu Abraham wrote: > Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 08:15:02AM -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: > > > >>Ha! That's the whole damn point Dave. Use your head. Just because ATI > >>is getting more complex with their GPU does *not* mean nVidia is. Go > >>back to my

Re: nVidia stuff again

2005-04-22 Thread J.A. Magallon
On 04.21, Manu Abraham wrote: Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 08:15:02AM -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: Ha! That's the whole damn point Dave. Use your head. Just because ATI is getting more complex with their GPU does *not* mean nVidia is. Go back to my original example

Re: nVidia stuff again

2005-04-21 Thread Manu Abraham
Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 08:15:02AM -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: Ha! That's the whole damn point Dave. Use your head. Just because ATI is getting more complex with their GPU does *not* mean nVidia is. Go back to my original example of the aic7xxx cards. The alternative to

Re: nVidia stuff again

2005-04-21 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 08:15:02AM -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: > Ha! That's the whole damn point Dave. Use your head. Just because ATI > is getting more complex with their GPU does *not* mean nVidia is. Go > back to my original example of the aic7xxx cards. The alternative to > their simple

Re: nVidia stuff again

2005-04-21 Thread Dave Airlie
> > Ha! That's the whole damn point Dave. Use your head. Just because ATI > is getting more complex with their GPU does *not* mean nVidia is. Go No I rely on things I read from hardware review websites and from the GPU manufacturers to wonder what they are doing, unless putting more

Re: nVidia stuff again

2005-04-21 Thread Doug Ledford
On Thu, 2005-04-21 at 09:12 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote: > > But *that's* the point people keep ignoring: the specs for programming > > the hardware, in some cases, reveals details about the hardware's > > implementation that nVidia does *not* want to release (in addition to > > suggesting their

Re: nVidia stuff again

2005-04-21 Thread Helge Hafting
Dave Airlie wrote: The main reasons they don't like open source is from where I'm standing, their IP lawyers and probably not being able to do sneaky hacks in the driver because people can see them.. Well . . . if *that* is a reason for disliking open source then the problem is solved. We

Re: nVidia stuff again

2005-04-21 Thread Helge Hafting
Dave Airlie wrote: The main reasons they don't like open source is from where I'm standing, their IP lawyers and probably not being able to do sneaky hacks in the driver because people can see them.. Well . . . if *that* is a reason for disliking open source then the problem is solved. We

Re: nVidia stuff again

2005-04-21 Thread Doug Ledford
On Thu, 2005-04-21 at 09:12 +1000, Dave Airlie wrote: But *that's* the point people keep ignoring: the specs for programming the hardware, in some cases, reveals details about the hardware's implementation that nVidia does *not* want to release (in addition to suggesting their software

Re: nVidia stuff again

2005-04-21 Thread Dave Airlie
Ha! That's the whole damn point Dave. Use your head. Just because ATI is getting more complex with their GPU does *not* mean nVidia is. Go No I rely on things I read from hardware review websites and from the GPU manufacturers to wonder what they are doing, unless putting more transistors

Re: nVidia stuff again

2005-04-21 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 08:15:02AM -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: Ha! That's the whole damn point Dave. Use your head. Just because ATI is getting more complex with their GPU does *not* mean nVidia is. Go back to my original example of the aic7xxx cards. The alternative to their simple

Re: nVidia stuff again

2005-04-21 Thread Manu Abraham
Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 08:15:02AM -0400, Doug Ledford wrote: Ha! That's the whole damn point Dave. Use your head. Just because ATI is getting more complex with their GPU does *not* mean nVidia is. Go back to my original example of the aic7xxx cards. The alternative to

Re: nVidia stuff again

2005-04-20 Thread Dave Airlie
> But *that's* the point people keep ignoring: the specs for programming > the hardware, in some cases, reveals details about the hardware's > implementation that nVidia does *not* want to release (in addition to > suggesting their software tricks). Why is it that people *assume* that > just the

Re: nVidia stuff again

2005-04-20 Thread Doug Ledford
On Thu, 2005-04-14 at 16:01 +0200, Helge Hafting wrote: > instead of keeping them secret for no > good reason. But *that's* the point people keep ignoring: the specs for programming the hardware, in some cases, reveals details about the hardware's implementation that nVidia does *not* want to

Re: nVidia stuff again

2005-04-20 Thread Doug Ledford
On Thu, 2005-04-14 at 16:01 +0200, Helge Hafting wrote: instead of keeping them secret for no good reason. But *that's* the point people keep ignoring: the specs for programming the hardware, in some cases, reveals details about the hardware's implementation that nVidia does *not* want to

Re: nVidia stuff again

2005-04-20 Thread Dave Airlie
But *that's* the point people keep ignoring: the specs for programming the hardware, in some cases, reveals details about the hardware's implementation that nVidia does *not* want to release (in addition to suggesting their software tricks). Why is it that people *assume* that just the