Re: Cosmetic JFFS patch.

2001-07-01 Thread Hua Zhong
Is this (printing out versions. etc) really a big deal so we should add stuff like /proc/xxx, KERN_ to make things more complicated? It sounds to me like to make the kernel smaller we'd actually end up with adding more code and complexity to it. And quite frankly, if people don't read

Re: Cosmetic JFFS patch.

2001-07-01 Thread Hua Zhong
Is Graphics really in the Windows kernel? I think GDI.EXE runs in user mode. Olaf Hering wrote: kde.o. 2.5? Good idea! Graphics needs to be in the kernel to be fast. Windows proved that. thought SGI proved that :-) Martin --

Re: Asus CUV4X-DLS

2001-07-01 Thread J. Nick Koston
I thought it was ok with a 2.4.5-ac kernel however it started acting up again today giving more i/o errors. I think I'm just going to give up on these boards as I have 3 of them doing the exact same thing. However they are flawless in up mode. Nick On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at

Re: Cosmetic JFFS patch.

2001-07-01 Thread Gregory Finch
GDI.EXE was moved into the kernel in winNT 4.0 and has been there ever since. M$ released a white paper about this claiming the performance boost. worked great for me, but was one more thing to go wrong in kernel space, although they touched on that as well. it'd take me a bit to find a refernce

Re: Cosmetic JFFS patch.

2001-07-01 Thread Ian Stirling
Is this (printing out versions. etc) really a big deal so we should add stuff like /proc/xxx, KERN_ to make things more complicated? It sounds to me like to make the kernel smaller we'd actually end up with adding more code and complexity to it. And quite frankly, if people don't

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Jim Roland
Pardon me, but what does this have to do with Linux or the Linux Kernel?!?! Post this on the usenet under advocacy, but please don't litter up the kernel listserver with this. - Original Message - From: Rick Hohensee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001

Re: Mac USB keyboards (Was: USB Keyboard errors with 2.4.5-ac)

2001-07-01 Thread Guest section DW
On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 06:08:59PM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: To understand the details of the code, trace the steps: (i) The USB code can be found e.g. on http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/kbd/scancodes-5.html We find that Power is 102 and that Keypad-= is 103. I find that KP =

2.4.6-pre6 ext3 message

2001-07-01 Thread Mike Black
2.4.6-pre6 and ext3-2.4-0.0.8-246p5 (had to to hand patch a little). This message popped up on an idle system -- there were no odd cronjobs scheduled around this time. Nobody was logged on. System had been up for a little over a day...first time seeing any messages like this. The source

Re: 2.4.6-pre6 ext3 message

2001-07-01 Thread Andrew Morton
Mike Black wrote: 2.4.6-pre6 and ext3-2.4-0.0.8-246p5 (had to to hand patch a little). This message popped up on an idle system -- there were no odd cronjobs scheduled around this time. Nobody was logged on. System had been up for a little over a day...first time seeing any

Re: Cosmetic JFFS patch.

2001-07-01 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Torrey Hoffman) wrote on 30.06.01 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So they compile it into the linux_logo.h image. It's now under the GPL, of course... what does that do to the legal status of the logo? Copyright: you named it. Any other right: unchanged. (The GPL doesn't demand

Re: Cosmetic JFFS patch.

2001-07-01 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chuck Wolber) wrote on 29.06.01 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does sed tell you who programmed it on startup? Awk? Perl? Groff? Gcc? See a pattern here? Yeah, the output of these programms are usually parsed by other programs. s/usually/sometimes/ Most of

Re: Mac USB keyboards (Was: USB Keyboard errors with 2.4.5-ac)

2001-07-01 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:26:39PM +0200, Guest section DW wrote: To understand the details of the code, trace the steps: (i) The USB code can be found e.g. on http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/kbd/scancodes-5.html We find that Power is 102 and that Keypad-= is 103. I find that

2.4.6-pre[5-8] fails to boot on my computer but ...

2001-07-01 Thread Mircea Damian
... 2.4.0 - 2.4.5-pre1 work just fine. Since the last changes related to the softirq stuff I'm getting an OOPS at boot after: Calibrating delay loop... kernel BUG at softirq.c:206! Here is the decode trace: ksymoops 2.3.4 on i686 2.4.5-pre1. Options used -v /usr/src/linux/vmlinux

Reg crash utility installation

2001-07-01 Thread SATHISH.J
Hi, I installed crash2.6 on my machine. When I give the command crash from the prompt it says no debugging symbols found in /boot/vmlinux2.2.14-12. Why does this message show. Thanks in advance, Regs, sathish - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body

Re: What are the VM motivations??

2001-07-01 Thread Mark H. Wood
I'm hopelessly behind on my mail, so this has probably been dealt with, already, but here goes: It's a userspace problem. That is, any automagical VM tuner ought to be a daemon. If the kernel doesn't expose enough information or knobs to make a good VM tuner, add what is needed. Meanwhile, if

Linux SLOW on Compaq Armada 110 PIII Speedstep

2001-07-01 Thread Daniel Harvey
Hi, [1.] Linux SLOW on Compaq Armada 110 PIII Speedstep [2.] I have a just brought a Compaq Armade 110 PIII, and am having a lot of trouble getting the kernel to operate effectively. The problem is that any kernel I run (except one pre-compiled RedHat kernel) runs very slowly. The thing is

Re: Linux SLOW on Compaq Armada 110 PIII Speedstep

2001-07-01 Thread Jeff Garzik
Daniel Harvey wrote: [1.] Linux SLOW on Compaq Armada 110 PIII Speedstep Intel will not release docs for SpeedStep, so we cannot do anything about this except annoy Intel (or buy competing, documented processors). I have a Toshiba P-III laptop with SpeedStep. It was similarly slow until I got

RE: Linux SLOW on Compaq Armada 110 PIII Speedstep

2001-07-01 Thread Daniel Harvey
The Compaq Armada doesn't appear to have a BIOS setting for the power settings. I still don't get the fact that one kernel will run fast, while the rest do the real SLOW thing. Thanks, -- Daniel Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone/Fax +61 8 9389 7844/33 Director, Amristar Pty Ltd;

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Rick Hohensee
Pardon me, but what does this have to do with Linux or the Linux Kernel?!?! Post this on the usenet under advocacy, but please don't litter up the kernel listserver with this. What this has to do with Linux is that throughout the whole process Microsoft has been putting Linux in the news,

execve strangeness

2001-07-01 Thread Andrew Morton
Try this, as root: [root@mnm akpm]# /var/log/messages bash: /var/log/messages: Text file busy Strange return value, that. It happens because vfs_permission() sees CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE and returns yes on a file which has no `x' bits set. Then open_exec() falls through to deny_write_access() which

Re: EEPro100 problems in SMP on 2.4.5 ?

2001-07-01 Thread John Jasen
On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, Dylan Griffiths wrote: I'd love to do some of this, but since the box is now being shipped to a colo facility in New York, I don't really have a choice in the matter. Hopefully someone here doing SMP + EEPro100 can see if they can reproduce the issue (2.4.5 kernel).

Re: Linux SLOW on Compaq Armada 110 PIII Speedstep

2001-07-01 Thread Chris Wedgwood
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 11:36:51PM +0800, Daniel Harvey wrote: The Compaq Armada doesn't appear to have a BIOS setting for the power settings. I still don't get the fact that one kernel will run fast, while the rest do the real SLOW thing. Not answering your question, but you might want to

RE: Linux SLOW on Compaq Armada 110 PIII Speedstep

2001-07-01 Thread Daniel Harvey
Chris/Adam/Mark, Have just sucked down the SRPM of the kernel that sees to run OK. As per you suggestions, checking out the config and patches ... Thanks, Daniel. -Original Message- Download the source-RPM for the 'fast' kernel, and also the virgin version of the same kernel, and

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Adam Schrotenboer
Kurt Maxwell Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm going to take a break from lurking to point out that I am not dissatisfied with Windows. It has its uses, as do Linux (and NetBSD, and Solaris, and the other operating systems I have installed at home). Frankly, I don't have a problem with

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Kurt Maxwell Weber
On Sunday 01 July 2001 12:12, you wrote: I'm going to take a break from lurking to point out that I am not dissatisfied with Windows. It has its uses, as do Linux (and NetBSD, and Solaris, and the other operating systems I have installed at home). Frankly, I don't have a problem with

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Hua Zhong
- From Kurt Maxwell Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] : You can choose to work somewhere else, or choose to enter a different field. There are a lot of people who don't know how to use Linux/Unix. Windows is much easier for them and has more applications. They practically have no other choice if

Re: 2.4.5 NFS io errors

2001-07-01 Thread J.R. de Jong
Nope, I'm using hard ones. - Johan. --- Yoda of Borg are we: Futile is resistance. Assimilate you, we will. On 29 Jun 2001, Trond Myklebust wrote: == J R de Jong J.R. writes: Hi all, Recently I upgraded from 2.4.4 to 2.4.5, but after that I got users complaining about io

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Kurt Maxwell Weber
On Sunday 01 July 2001 13:48, you wrote: Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: I'm going to take a break from lurking to point out that I am not dissatisfied with Windows. It has its uses, as do Linux (and NetBSD, and Solaris, and the other operating systems I have installed at home). Frankly, I

ASUS A7V/Thunderbird 1GHz lockup problems observation w/fix for me

2001-07-01 Thread George Garvey
Ever since building this system there have been spontaneous and unpredictable lockups, usually at least once per day. Sometimes several per day. The lockup is sometimes preceded by X starting to display things strangely (on a Voodoo 3 w/XF 4.X). Then I have a few minutes to reboot before it

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Lew Wolfgang
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: In that case, I have the following options: 1) Start my own ISP 2) Use Windows XP 3) Not use Windows XP and not be able to use my current ISP 4) Go to a different ISP I'll just have to decide which I value more. As long as I won't be killed

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Adam Schrotenboer
Hua Zhong wrote: - From Kurt Maxwell Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] : You can choose to work somewhere else, or choose to enter a different field. There are a lot of people who don't know how to use Linux/Unix. Windows is much easier for them and has more applications. They practically have no

Possible problem with IDE device driver in kernel.

2001-07-01 Thread Philip V . Neves
I would like to report a bug that I've seen in a few linux kernels now. This may be a serious problem with the IDE controler software because it may cause a hard drive to ware out over a period of time. I've noticed for a long time that when linux is loaded the hard drive light on my computer

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Paul Mundt
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:35:24PM -0400, Adam Schrotenboer wrote: So as a user you are free to not use M$ products. What if you are IT. Then you do not have a choice. You always have a choice, work elsewhere. If you're in a position where you're working with MS products, you were the one who

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Jesse Pollard
On Sun, 01 Jul 2001, Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: On Sunday 01 July 2001 13:48, you wrote: Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: I'm going to take a break from lurking to point out that I am not dissatisfied with Windows. It has its uses, as do Linux (and NetBSD, and Solaris, and the other operating

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Jesse Pollard
On Sun, 01 Jul 2001, Jesse Pollard wrote: On Sun, 01 Jul 2001, Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: I'll just have to decide which I value more. As long as I won't be killed for using a different OS, I still have a choice. No, but you might be forced out of a job. Apologies for the followup to a

Slackware 8

2001-07-01 Thread Dylan Griffiths
No need to worry, I'm already downloading the ISOs. All will be well soon enough :-D -- www.kuro5hin.org -- technology and culture, from the trenches. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Adam Schrotenboer
Paul Mundt wrote: On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:35:24PM -0400, Adam Schrotenboer wrote: So as a user you are free to not use M$ products. What if you are IT. Then you do not have a choice. You always have a choice, work elsewhere. If you're in a position where you're working with MS products, you

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Mike Harrold
Paul Mundt wrote: Oh please, next you'll be blaming world hunger on MS because third world countries can't afford licenses of win2k. Absolutely. If their governments didn't have to shell out such a large amount of money on M$ licenses, they'd have more money to feed their people with... ;-)

RE: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread David Schwartz
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: In that case, I have the following options: 1) Start my own ISP 2) Use Windows XP 3) Not use Windows XP and not be able to use my current ISP 4) Go to a different ISP Argument. I'll just have to decide which I value more. As

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Tracy R Reed
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 02:11:47PM -0400, Hua Zhong wrote: There are a lot of people who don't know how to use Linux/Unix. Windows is much easier for them and has more applications. They practically have no other choice if they have to use a computer in their jobs (maybe they can

Re: [patch] rio500 devfs support

2001-07-01 Thread Gregory T. Norris
It's working beautifully here. I'll forward the patch to the maintainer, since I have no idea if he's seen this thread. Cheers! PGP signature

My summer project: XMLFS

2001-07-01 Thread Seth Hartbecke
For quite some time now I've wanted to try and do something in the kernel. And I need a simple project to start with, so I decided to create a filesystem that reads and writes to a XML file. It's really basic right now (does not support permissions, but that should not be too hard to add)

Re: Client receives TCP packets but does not ACK

2001-07-01 Thread Nivedita Singhvi
The bad network behavior was due to shared irqs somehow screwing things up. This explained most but not all of the problems. ah, that's why your test pgm succeeded on my systems.. When I last posted I had a reproducible test case which spewed a bunch of packets from a server to a

Re: NWFS Submitted to Alan Cox

2001-07-01 Thread Jeff V. Merkey
On Sat, Jun 30, 2001 at 10:59:59PM -0500, Paul Fulghum wrote: From: Jeff V. Merkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novell has recently threatened to try to take my house and assets if I post any more NWFS releases or MANOS. [snip] They are wounded in the market ... A quote for the lumbering

Re: NWFS Submitted to Alan Cox

2001-07-01 Thread Jeff V. Merkey
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 12:16:34AM -0400, Trever L. Adams wrote: I am doing very well with my consulting projects, but to be honest, my family has sufferred horribly in the past four years fighting with Novell every other week, and there's a very strong chance I will be moving shop to

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Tony Hoyle
Paul Mundt wrote: You always have a choice, work elsewhere. If you're in a position where you're working with MS products, you were the one who made the decision to do so. MS is not at fault, claiming so is childish. Nobody chooses to work with MS, they merely take the job that's offered.

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Marius Nita
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:01:51PM -0700, Paul Mundt wrote: You always have a choice, work elsewhere. If you're in a position where you're working with MS products, you were the one who made the decision to do so. MS is not at fault, claiming so is childish. _I_ think it's childish to claim

Router problems with transparent proxy

2001-07-01 Thread Steffen Persvold
Hi, I think I've triggered a bug in the ipchains/iptables part of the kernel. Here is the story : The server was a 866MHz PIII with 384 MByte of RAM running RH7.1 with a 2.4.5-ac21 kernel. It was used as a router/firewall with 2 netcards (not sure which type, but I don't think that's

Re: ASUS A7V/Thunderbird 1GHz lockup problems observation w/fix for me

2001-07-01 Thread Dieter Nützel
Ever since building this system there have been spontaneous and unpredictable lockups, usually at least once per day. Sometimes several per day. The lockup is sometimes preceded by X starting to display things strangely (on a Voodoo 3 w/XF 4.X). Then I have a few minutes to reboot before

Re: [Re: gcc: internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11]

2001-07-01 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Followup to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] By author:szonyi calin [EMAIL PROTECTED] In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel Almost always ? It seems like gcc is THE ONLY program which gets signal 11 Why the X server doesn't get signal 11 ? Why others programs don't get signal 11 ? gcc happens to be one

RE: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread David Schwartz
_I_ think it's childish to claim the above. You _may_ have a choice, yes, but is that choice equal or fair? Microsoft has infected both the user area as much as the business/work area. If you want to purchase a PC because your computer just fried and you want to finish a paper or

Re: NWFS Submitted to Alan Cox

2001-07-01 Thread Jeff V. Merkey
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 12:23:17PM -0700, Justin Guyett wrote: On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Chris Wedgwood wrote: On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:50:00PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: I'm not a file sustem hacker, nor since I work for one vendor the appropriate owner for larg chunks of code in some

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Ben Ford
Paul Mundt wrote: On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:35:24PM -0400, Adam Schrotenboer wrote: So as a user you are free to not use M$ products. What if you are IT. Then you do not have a choice. You always have a choice, work elsewhere. If you're in a position where you're working with MS products, you

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Ben Ford
Jesse Pollard wrote: On Sun, 01 Jul 2001, Jesse Pollard wrote: On Sun, 01 Jul 2001, Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: I'll just have to decide which I value more. As long as I won't be killed for using a different OS, I still have a choice. No, but you might be forced out of a job. Apologies for

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Paul Mundt
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 03:32:51PM -0700, Marius Nita wrote: _I_ think it's childish to claim the above. You _may_ have a choice, yes, but is that choice equal or fair? Microsoft has infected both the user area as much as the business/work area. If you want to purchase a PC because your

Re: What are the VM motivations??

2001-07-01 Thread Mark H. Wood
On Sat, 23 Jun 2001, watermodem wrote: [snip interior quotes] Would never work with the ac-series. Not enough time to form a neural pattern between builds. There is a semi-prior art here. Unix on the Tandem (now Compaq) Helix shipped (and maybe still does) with a Neural Net for system

Re: [Re: gcc: internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal11]

2001-07-01 Thread Riley Williams
Hi HPA. Some time ago I installed Linux (Redhat 6.0) on my pc (Cx486 8M RAM) and gcc had a lot of signal 11 (a couple every hour) I was upgrading the kernel every time there was a new kernel and from 2.2.12(or 14) no more signal 11 (very rare) Is this still a hardware problem ? Was a

Re: [Re: gcc: internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11]

2001-07-01 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Riley Williams wrote: Wasn't 2.2.12 the kernel that included the `lock halt` bug patch? Perhaps, but is has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of this discussion. -hpa - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Ben Ford
It's hard to understand the point of such arguments. Surely you shouldn't be upset at someone for providing you the best option you have, should you? The point is they aren't offering the best solution! They are taking away all others! That is why people dislike the company. -b -- :

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Adam Schrotenboer
Perhaps I should say again that my current IT job is working w/ small businesses and personal/home installations. In these cases, as well as with others, it is not so much the OS that I have a problem w/. It is the insistence of an all Macroshaft solution. Windows isn't totally bad. I would

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Paul Mundt
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 04:50:44PM -0700, Ben Ford wrote: Name a single tech company anywhere in the world that doesn't have to deal with microsoftisms. This depends on your definition of dealing with MSisms. If you mean having a copy of an MS product physically present at a business

Boot problem with 2.4.6-pre8 IDE/HPT370

2001-07-01 Thread Adam Huffman
At the Partition Check stage, I start getting hde: lost interrupt messages. /dev/hde is an IBM DTLA-307030, sitting on an HPT370 controller (motherboard is KA7-100). Eventually the partitions appear in the list, interspersed with these lost interrupt messages, but very slowly. Then there was a

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Dan Hollis
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: You can choose to work somewhere else, or choose to enter a different field. As demonstrated many times over the past several years, it is becoming increasingly difficult to buy a PC without bundled m$-ware. Even if you dont use m$-ware you are

Re: [Re: gcc: internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal11]

2001-07-01 Thread Riley Williams
Hi Peter. Wasn't 2.2.12 the kernel that included the `lock halt` bug patch? Perhaps, but is has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of this discussion. The `lock halt` bug patch was specific to the Cyrix processors (not to be confused with the `lock registers` patch for the Intel

Re: [Re: gcc: internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11]

2001-07-01 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Riley Williams wrote: Hi Peter. Wasn't 2.2.12 the kernel that included the `lock halt` bug patch? Perhaps, but is has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of this discussion. The `lock halt` bug patch was specific to the Cyrix processors (not to be confused with the `lock

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Jim Roland
- Original Message - From: Jesse Pollard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kurt Maxwell Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED]; J Sloan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 3:03 PM Subject: Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU! [snip] In that case, I have the following

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Jim Roland
- Original Message - From: Adam Schrotenboer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LKML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 12:35 PM Subject: Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU! Kurt Maxwell Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm going to take a break from lurking to point out that I am not dissatisfied

Re: [Re: gcc: internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal11]

2001-07-01 Thread Riley Williams
Hi Peter. Wasn't 2.2.12 the kernel that included the `lock halt` bug patch? Perhaps, but is has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of this discussion. The `lock halt` bug patch was specific to the Cyrix processors (not to be confused with the `lock registers` patch for the

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Jim Roland
[snip] Get real, look at all the moronic things that various linux distributions do. Is this a reason to hate linux and demand the head of Linus as compensation for your troubles? This kind of attitude, and you wonder why MS attacks linux. Why would that make MS afraid of Linux. It

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Ben Ford
Paul Mundt wrote: On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 04:50:44PM -0700, Ben Ford wrote: Name a single tech company anywhere in the world that doesn't have to deal with microsoftisms. This depends on your definition of dealing with MSisms. If you mean having a copy of an MS product physically present at a

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Jim Roland
- Original Message - From: Paul Mundt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ben Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Adam Schrotenboer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; LKML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 7:11 PM Subject: Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU! On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 04:50:44PM -0700, Ben Ford wrote: Name

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Jim Roland
- Original Message - From: Ben Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Marius Nita [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 7:03 PM Subject: Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU! It's hard to understand the point of such arguments. Surely you

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Justin Guyett
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Marius Nita wrote: _I_ think it's childish to claim the above. You _may_ have a choice, yes, but is that choice equal or fair? Microsoft has infected both the user area as Problem: I don't like company policy Solution: Deal or get another job whine Why should I have to

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Adam Schrotenboer
Jim Roland wrote: [snip] Get real, look at all the moronic things that various linux distributions do. Is this a reason to hate linux and demand the head of Linus as compensation for your troubles? This kind of attitude, and you wonder why MS attacks linux. Why would that make MS afraid

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Jim Roland
- Original Message - From: Adam Schrotenboer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Roland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Paul Mundt [EMAIL PROTECTED]; LKML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 7:56 PM Subject: Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU! Jim Roland wrote: [snip] Good for business. bad for

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Jeff V. Merkey
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 04:50:44PM -0700, Ben Ford wrote: Microsoft is like a mountain with their installed base. Like it or not, no matter how loud the wind howls, the mountain cannot bow to it. :-) Jeff Paul Mundt wrote: On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:35:24PM -0400, Adam Schrotenboer

bug in __tcp_inherit_port ?

2001-07-01 Thread Bulent Abali
I get an occasional panic in __tcp_inherit_port(sk,child). I believe the reason is tb=sk-prev is NULL. sk-prev is set to NULL in only few places including __tcp_put_port(sk). Perhaps there is a serialization problem between __tcp_inherit_port and __tcp_put_port ??? One possibility is that

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Dan Hollis
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Justin Guyett wrote: On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Dan Hollis wrote: On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: As demonstrated many times over the past several years, it is becoming increasingly difficult to buy a PC without bundled m$-ware. Even if you dont use m$-ware you

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread William T Wilson
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Ben Ford wrote: This seems to be meant as a joke, but I don't think it's all that unlikely. I seem to recall that MS products cannot be used in aircraft control rooms for this reason. It's not just MS. Aircraft control rooms (as well as nuclear power plants,

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Jim Roland
- Original Message - From: William T Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ben Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 8:09 PM Subject: Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU! On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Ben Ford wrote: This seems to be meant as a joke, but I don't think it's all

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Dan Hollis
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, William T Wilson wrote: My understanding is that astronauts going up on the shuttle take turns bringing a laptop computer so they have actual computing power available to them. The shuttle computer is not adequate for many tasks because it is something like 30 years old,

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, William T Wilson wrote: On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Ben Ford wrote: My understanding is that astronauts going up on the shuttle take turns bringing a laptop computer so they have actual computing power available to them. actually the mission related laptops are thinkpads running

Re: Removal of PG_marker scheme from 2.4.6-pre

2001-07-01 Thread Rik van Riel
On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, Marcelo Tosatti wrote: In pre7: me: undo page_launder() LRU changes, they have nasty side effects Can you be more verbose about this ? I think this was fixed by the GFP_BUFFER vs. GFP_CAN_FS + GFP_CAN_IO thing and Linus accidentally backed out the wrong code ;)

Re: Soft updates for 2.5?

2001-07-01 Thread Rik van Riel
On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, Alex Khripin wrote: There was a discussion in October, 2000, about the Granger and McKusick paper on soft updates for the BSD FFS. Reading the thread, nothing conclusive seemed to come out of it. What you want is ext3. It is a journaling version of ext2, which basically

Re: Removal of PG_marker scheme from 2.4.6-pre

2001-07-01 Thread Linus Torvalds
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Rik van Riel wrote: me: undo page_launder() LRU changes, they have nasty side effects Can you be more verbose about this ? I think this was fixed by the GFP_BUFFER vs. GFP_CAN_FS + GFP_CAN_IO thing and Linus accidentally backed out the wrong code ;) You wish.

Re: Soft updates for 2.5?

2001-07-01 Thread Michael Rothwell
While on the topic of reslilent, high-performance filesystems, what ever became of Tux, Daniel Philip's mythical WAFL-type filesystem? On 01 Jul 2001 23:33:52 -0300, Rik van Riel wrote: On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, Alex Khripin wrote: There was a discussion in October, 2000, about the Granger and

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Michael Rothwell
I re-subscribed for this? Blarg. When did the LKML turn into slashdot? On 01 Jul 2001 17:33:38 -0700, Ted Unangst wrote: On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Ben Ford wrote: Name a single tech company anywhere in the world that doesn't have to deal with microsoftisms. http://www.wasabisystems.com/

Re: Removal of PG_marker scheme from 2.4.6-pre

2001-07-01 Thread Rik van Riel
On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Linus Torvalds wrote: On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Rik van Riel wrote: me: undo page_launder() LRU changes, they have nasty side effects Can you be more verbose about this ? I think this was fixed by the GFP_BUFFER vs. GFP_CAN_FS + GFP_CAN_IO thing and Linus

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Kurt Maxwell Weber
Good god, I've created a monster. I intended to just make one point and that be the end of it, but obviously I misjudged. I should have just sent it privately so as to prevent this flood of OT posts. I apologize for that. I made a mistake, and now I know better. Sorry for the trouble. --

Re: Removal of PG_marker scheme from 2.4.6-pre

2001-07-01 Thread Linus Torvalds
Correction: I said -ac13 was bad, but ac13 was actually ok. It was ac14 that was the problem spot. Also note how Alan happened to merge the MM patches in the reverse order from the preX series: in the -ac series, Rik's page_launder() patch is in -ac14, while my VM changes are merged in -ac15.

Re: Soft updates for 2.5?

2001-07-01 Thread Daniel Phillips
On Monday 02 July 2001 04:58, Michael Rothwell wrote: While on the topic of reslilent, high-performance filesystems, what ever became of Tux, Daniel Philip's mythical WAFL-type filesystem? He's working on it. -- Daniel - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in

hang from HUP'ing init in linuxrc

2001-07-01 Thread Paul Mackerras
Recently I tried running the Debian installer on top of a 2.4.6-pre6 kernel. It got up to the point of installing libc and then the system hung. It was still taking interrupts (I could change vt's, etc.) but no user processes were running. What was happening was rather interesting. The init

RE: The latest Microsoft FUD. This time from BillG, himself.

2001-07-01 Thread Greg Rollins
This type of invasive marketing is why people aren't going to be buying MS products. (Not al people, just those who choose.) If you want to be a MS user, they have you over a barrel, if you *have* to use MS products, they have you over a barrel. Some folks, myself included, have to use MS

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Steve Brueggeman
G'damn That's so poetically accurate, I've added it to my sig list. I've worked in a large tech corporation for many years, (20+) and I've relatively recently had to attempt to `open` some managerial minds, and discovered futility of it all. A company's public perception is an invaluable

Re: Uncle Sam Wants YOU!

2001-07-01 Thread Graham Murray
Jim Roland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What some people don't realize is that Microsoft *DID* do Unix a long time ago, they were even into OS/2 Development. :-) And they annoyed not just a few application vendors when just a few months after giving the message Go with OS/2, it is the way

Asus CUV4X-DLS apic fun (pre8/ac22)

2001-07-01 Thread Justin Guyett
With apic enabled on this board, some normal amount of disk access (including building a kernel) is successful. However, irqs are messed up. The eepro100 module for the onboard 82559 nic loads, but prints this after the revision history: PCI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin A of device 00:07.0.

Re: NWFS Submitted to Alan Cox

2001-07-01 Thread Alan Cox
There are several areas that need restructuring and work, and I am available to answer questions, and assist with technical consulting, I'm not a file sustem hacker, nor since I work for one vendor the appropriate owner for larg chunks of code in some people's eyes. I suspect the FSF is a

Re: NWFS Submitted to Alan Cox

2001-07-01 Thread Justin Guyett
On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Chris Wedgwood wrote: On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:50:00PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: I'm not a file sustem hacker, nor since I work for one vendor the appropriate owner for larg chunks of code in some people's eyes. I suspect the FSF is a much much better asignee for the

Re: NWFS Submitted to Alan Cox

2001-07-01 Thread Chris Wedgwood
On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:50:00PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: I'm not a file sustem hacker, nor since I work for one vendor the appropriate owner for larg chunks of code in some people's eyes. I suspect the FSF is a much much better asignee for the code itself I assume the legal threats that

Re: NWFS Submitted to Alan Cox

2001-07-01 Thread Jeff V. Merkey
On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 02:54:18AM +1200, Chris Wedgwood wrote: On Sun, Jul 01, 2001 at 01:50:00PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: I'm not a file sustem hacker, nor since I work for one vendor the appropriate owner for larg chunks of code in some people's eyes. I suspect the FSF is a much much

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